Doctor Who 2008: Sontarans cometh, RTD Ood 'ave 'im etc.

I thought maybe it was the Doctor just being all anti-blasé. Like us being excited every time we take off in an aeroplane and see the people become little ants.

They travelled one second forward in time... over the course of five seconds of wailing, Trek-esque lurching and flames? Magic!

Don't make me iplayer this, because I'm not going to understand it the second time either.

I think the difficulty was not that they were traveling one second in time that they were jumping 1 second out of sync with the rest of the universe.

Possibly the flames were because the Doctor did not hit it wi'hammer.

He should have shouted "We're jumping 1 second out of sync with the rest of the universe!"

That intergalactic police bunch was well useless. Was it supposed to be a dig at the UN?

Also, D- for interpersonal skills. "No, I meant your loss to come".

I thought the SP woman was Miranda Richardson. she wanted the Doctor to lead them into battle against the Daleks tho right? the whole "okay let me just fetch something...SLAM, ESCAPE" was amusing tho

yeah the tardis went on fire because they went 1 second out of sync with the rest of the universe but how it repaired itself afterwards is a mystery.

so do we know how stealing 27 planets in one universe destroys all other universes yet?

By using them as an engine, how? I don't know.

is the lost moon of poosh a planet? this could scupper everything

heavy and round is all it needs to be I think.

so what's the medusa cascade then (other than it's out of sync and that the doctor was there as a time kid)? i know it's been mentioned in a couple of other episodes but can't remember in what context.

A "rift in space and time" by all accounts

I think he takes companions there on hot dates, look at the beautiful space feature whilst I cop a feel up your blouse kind of thing.

Is there Tennant/Tate fanfic? I don't think I need an answer to that question.

oh god please no.

a lot of trouble could be avoided if the Doctor just found a way to get rid of the Daleks' emergency temporal shift, which has apparently been used to escape the time war, the void between universes, re-entering the time-locked time war, etc etc...

played this yesterday

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/Dalekattackgame.jpg

not very good :(

the whole "okay let me just fetch something...SLAM, ESCAPE" was amusing tho

he pulls that trick with somebody else doesn't he? a potential companion?

Did he not do it to Mr Copper, who still decided to go and set up the foundation that paid for Harriet Jones' supercomputer?

he pulls that trick with somebody else doesn't he? a potential companion?

unintentionally happened with Madame Pompadour, if that's what you're thinking of

He tried to do it to Donna at the end of The Runaway Bride, but Donna shouted at him until he came back. I know shouty Donna was annoying to some, but I like how that became an ongoing motif: Donna pointing out all of the Doctor's evasions.

for those of us not au fait with Who history, it was a little confusing sorting out Red Dalek, Davros, pulsating brain on throne, etc

i also failed to grasp how being one second behind the timeline of the earth made the doctor able to instantly teleport to the earth's new location, or why/how the tardis wound up in "the medusa cascade" to begin with, or why that's interesting

-- Tracer Hand, Monday, 30 June 2008 22:05 (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

Not nearly enough exposition, that's why. Another episode in which Davies tried to cram two hours of story into 46 minutes of screen time.

Surely there will be movie at somepoint.

we know DT sticks around so it felt like a contrived obstacle that ultimately won't mean anything (other than a means of him being able to get with Rose, BUT WHO WANTS THAT?)

Any chance Rose does her deus ex machina thing again and SUCKS THE REGENERATION OUT OF HIM (not a euphemism) and SHE regenerates instead?

two hours of story??? VERY LITTLE HAPPENED

Yeah but if they'd explained everything properly it would have taken two hours.

probably. I am speaking hyperbolically.

here's the trailer, for the non-britishers: http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2008/06/journeys-end-trailer.html

the whole "okay let me just fetch something...SLAM, ESCAPE" was amusing tho

Isn't that sort of how the whole career of the Doctor started--him nicking off in a (stolen) TARDIS when he was supposed to be being responsible? And repeated in the Five Doctors for that reason.

i really kind of loved this one...normally I'm shouting at the TV when RTD takes the wheel, and maybe it was just the glee of seeing the band get back together etc, but I was all 'whee!' the whole time.

dreamed last night that my editor asked me to write an article on the disappeaing bees, and was all excited in my dream because I could use the Doctor as a source for explaining where they went. waking up was very disappointing.

use the Doctor as a sauce

resultant paste between two Doctors

am presuming donna sacrifices herself so doctor can regenerate into doctor

donna-doctor, like doner kebab but with more zest

He tried to do it to Donna at the end of The Runaway Bride, but Donna shouted at him until he came back.

this is what i'm remembering!

I think what happens to Donna will be bigger than the regeneration, it's dying/disappearing saving several parallel universes or bust.

Thought they handled the Donna thing very well in this episode, she could have slipped into the background with Rose, Martha, Jack and Sarah-Jane back but she was very much still the identifiable companion while the others were support cast, even Rose. They're certainly working up to something really important with her - more important than the Doctor even. The whole series has been "I'm just a temp" vs "I'm brilliant and clever" but the Doctor has fucked up or been ineffective on several occasions.

That one really didn't let up did it, it was sort of bash bash bash from the beginning. I'd guessed a regeneration was coming mostly due to Tom emailing and going 'DO NOT read the internet before watching Doctor Who whatever you do'. I enjoyed it but all the 'how Davros survived' and 'what was up with the bees disappearing' stuff was way too fast. They'll need to explain the former again whenever they do the Timelords revival deus ex machina.

Pretty sure the Doctor and Rose running towards each other was tongue in cheek, especially as it ended with him being zapped by a Dalek. Rose felt more superfluous than any of the others in this - didn't mind the big gun though, isn't the point that she's been fighting aliens in the parallel universe all this time? That's a bit of a nu-Who constant really, the Doctor drops people off as bigger and better people and they go on fighting the fight, rather than the Doctor drops them off and they are mostly never seen, heard of or mentioned again.

^ this I like very much, Nice to see the very developed companions go on to do very developed things.

I'd guessed a regeneration

i call bullshit

Well it was either regeneration or old Doctor surprise appearance, nothing else could really be OMG enough especially as everyone knew about Davros.

They might have nuked Billie or something. So many ways that OMG could go this series!

Re: the 1-second-into-the-future-tardis-catches-on-fire-thing , didn't Alan Garner use a similar kludge in one of his books once? Elidor, or Red Shift or something (any amount of googling has not confirmed this, so I may well just be talking crap). I think the gist of that one is almost that the universe has a refresh rate or something; the frames that are interspersed can't be seen until you shift minutely into a different temporal position. Er, yeah. Something like that. (Fuck me I'm bad at explaining things). Anyhow, I think this may have been an attempt at something similar.

Someone here has just mentioned the phrase "out of phase". They're a lot better at explaining things than I am.

TWO DAYS

God I hope a previous Doctor is in there somewhere. I don't care how they justify it.

I think I'd like it best if tennant just turns back into eccleston now, and rose and jack could be pleasantly surprised and could start laughing it off and teasing him about it and stuff, but the doc would get all upset, "no, no, this isn't meant to happen, this is NEVER meant to happen!" and then yeah, we could just spend half an ep with good old CE back, until he found a way to fix it, and then tennant would be safely back in place for next year.

Chances of this actually happening are virtually zero though, obviously.

It's just occurred to me that other than 'Daleks and Davros steal planets, everyone is back to fight them, Doctor regenerates' I haven't got a fucking clue what's going on in this episode. Need to watch again I think.

Check the sub-wave frequency. I'm transferring control of it to you... NOW.

i wanna watch this at a cinema