2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

I too live in a divided household.

http://www.wtps.org/wths/imc/Teacher_Assignment/social_studies/borkowski/confederate%20flag.jpg

http://static.twoday.net/annabell/images/coke-vs-Pepsi.jpg

hahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKJkfE1M9wA

has obama crested?

has obama crested?

ok after an argument that actually involved me packing a bag and storming out, this is sorted.

household: divided. relationship: stable.

My wife hates coffee and dislikes The Replacements. And yet, we still love each other and get along.

loooooool

didnt you guys just move in together

before anyone calls me deejmc i was just reading Hoos' blog

uh thats an xp

hoosbloggin'

BLOG HOOS aka the rssfeeder

yeah we moved in back in nov

where hoos blog @

click on his name

"M'am, I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. My mind, my soul, and most importantly, my steendriver will not tolerate your blind genderism on our property. I have not and will not charge you a cent and you're free to take your business elsewhere. I'd rather not call the police, but if you insist on continuing to disturb me this way I will. Please leave. Or I'll leave, whichever."

my blog (totally not updated in a couple weeks):

http://neversleep.wordpress.com

oh hey someone decided to call hillary on copying every other candidate under the sun regardless of party

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Obama_responds_to_Clinton_call.html

Sorry, O, it is a big deal.

Posted By: Grant | February 18, 2008 at 12:43 PM
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well if GRANT says so

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I'm looking forward to voting tomorrow morning!

What are the WI polls like?

The recent polls conducted by Research 2000 for WISC TV, Rasmussen, Public Policy Polling, Strategic Vision have shown Obama leading Clinton in the Wisconsin contest.

Conducted on 13-14 Feb., the recent poll by Research 2000 for WISC TV has shown, Obama leading with 47% to Clinton’s 42% votes.

Rasmussen Reports’s 13 Feb. poll has shown Obama leading with 47% to Clinton’s 43% votes.

The 11 Feb. poll by Public Policy Polling has shown that Obama, with 50% votes, is leading Hillary Clinton, who has 39% of votes.

According to Strategic Vision’s 8-10 Feb. poll, Obama has lead with 45% to Hillary Clinton’s 41% votes.

However, American Research Group has different story to say. American Research Group’s Feb. 6-7 poll has shown that Hillary Clinton leads with 50%, while Barack Obama has 41% of votes in Wisconsin.

American Research Group’s recent one, Feb. 15-16 poll has shown 1% loss of Clinton’s votes, but still shows Hillary Clinton leading with 49% of Votes to Barack Obama’s 43%.

Those Has Obama Crested? articles are a good indication of one line of attack the GOP will make on Obama, if he makes it to the GE. That is, they'll say: "Look beyond the rhetoric and you'll see someone with a bleak, grim view of the country and its prospects. He's a pessimist, and we -- the GOP -- have an optimistic view of American specialness and power." Blah, blah, blah. Who knows if it will work, but this is one argument they're sharpening against Obama even now.

i cant wait to see obama v mccain in an optimism-off

good interview w/obama foreign policy adviser really pointing out the lie that obama and clinton have basically the same ideas. right now their platforms may look similar but theyre operating w/differing values to inform their future actions.

id be surprised if there was anyone on the clinton team thinking like this:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/02/18/samantha_power

Uggh, why am I not surprised Dori Monson is behind something as idiotic as the fainting thing?

Samantha Power is only 37?!?

She has shot hoops with fellow Darfur activist George Clooney, and once proclaimed herself the "genocide chick."

Funny girl.

OMG OMG OMG READ THIS http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=02&year=2008&base_name=the_pete_rose_of_politics

has anyone been following this mccain loan situation? mccain actually agreed if he was losing to not drop out of the race so that he could get federal campaign funds to pay his loan back - he signed away his right to decide whether he was running for president or not in exchange for cash!

holy shit!

wtf

Dan I agree with you that race and gender are informing a lot of the hateration on both "sides" here. But I think that's part of a larger problem with the way we humans think. We're trained to see differences between things and then tell ourselves stories justifying the differences we think we see. And there's also what I think has been called elsewhere "The Conservation of Virtues Fallacy" where we sharpen whatever differences exist by thinking that if one side is good at (x) then she necessarily has to be bad at some (y) that will balance that out. I honestly think that so much of this is just down to dumb pattern-recognition hardwiring and humans' natural solipsism. When the binary consists of a black man and a white woman it's a semiotic obstacle course that would give professors fits; I think a lot of people are tempted to slice cleanly through all this by just falling back on assumptions that feel comfortable to them.

Thanks jaymc.

This is getting a little out of hand:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8583.html

Clinton to go after pledged delegates?

(What's especially crazy about this is that dude claims he got the story from a Clinton aide, not an Obama aide! Why would they want to spread this around?)

fun fact I didn't know til last week:

Hubert Humphrey didn't win a single primary in 1968.

eh that article seems a little overblown considering this is the quote its all based on

“I swear it is not happening now, but as we get closer to the convention, if it is a stalemate, everybody will be going after everybody’s delegates,” a senior Clinton official told me Monday afternoon. “All the rules will be going out the window.”

which is just saying lol this could get real ugly - not we have a plan to steal delegates

but yah i dunno why the clinton camp seems so hell bent on reinforcing their rep as immoral political operators

the Journal is less dainty than some other publications

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120339381585476375.html?mod=hps_us_pageone

jhøshea that's a catch-22 for clinton: if her camp doesn't go after delegates as hard as obama's they could be conceding the nomination; if they DO go after delegates as hard as obama's they're "hell bent on reinforcing their rep as immoral political operators"

Tracer OTM both in this last post and the previous one where he agreed with me.

i'm sure it's already been mentioned here but obama has given more than twice the amount of money to superdelegate campaigns than clinton has. i'm glad i look this stuff up, otherwise given the thrust of "accepted wisdom" i'd have to assume that obama just doesn't understand that politics is a blood sport the way clinton does

xpost haha

tracer, the clinton camp isn't talking about superdelegates, but the pledged delegates chosen by primary & caucus results. big difference.

yeah gabb but the WSJ is also, um, full of shit too often to worry about

i'm sure it's already been mentioned here but obama has given more than twice the amount of money to superdelegate campaigns than clinton has. i'm glad i look this stuff up, otherwise given the thrust of "accepted wisdom" i'd have to assume that obama just doesn't understand that politics is a blood sport the way clinton does

i thought a decent chunk of these contributions to peoples' campaigns took place before obama was running for president? (i'm not sure how much of a chunk, but the figures cited went back as far as 2005)

i mean, it's a big difference between party leaders and elected officials and other insiders with superdelegate status on one hand, and on the other hand subverting the electoral process by wooing local delegates on a district-by-district basis

elmo read the article again (including the quote that the story is hung on), and then maybe just reflect for a moment, and ask yourself whether obama's people will hang back and not lobby pledged delegates themselves

another possible headline for that clinton staffer interview:

"Clinton Camp Says Obama to Woo Pledged Delegates"

i was more talking abt them making themselves look bad in the media - why say these things now?

because Mark Penn thinks he's Karl Rove: Puppetmaster

i think if either camp goes after pledged delegates, this shit is seriously fucked up.