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it's not at all sarcasm. it's mind-bogglingly off the point to take the stated aims of AQ as the actual 'causes' of their actions. i suppose it's distantly possible that if the US had never stationed troops there the 1993 and 2001 attacks on new york wouldn't have happened, but the fundamental fact of US embroilment in mid-east politics, combined with the rise wahabissm, amde these likely at some point on the timeline. of course iraq and saudi are in there, but to smugly sit back, as the stop the war crew do, and say, 'if the US pulled out of the mid-east,' a fantasy in pretty much any possible development of modern history, 'then we'd all be safe' just won't do.

N_RQ, Monday, 1 August 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

I see just as much smugness in the people who continue to assert that 'pulling out' or having never intervened in the first place would not have prevented what's happened from happening. Yes the links are over simplistic but that's how AQ-affiliates seem to like them when explaining themselves on tape. Of course there is the question 'how can you believe what they say?' but what sort of choice is believing them vs believing the speculation of 'experts' here that this was all inevitable?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 1 August 2005 08:56 (twenty years ago)

i'm sure the bomber himself is being genuine here, but as with anyone, what we say about why we do stuff isn't the full story. add to that the fact that there's a network behind these bombers. the second point can be argued more strongly, i think -- these guys as patsies for a bigger organization. but the first point is also important.

like any life decision, you follow a kind of logic that isn't yours. this guy's logic said that images of dead civilians in iraq meant he must kill civilians here. tony blair's logic said he had to kill civilians there -- but no-one would take blair's account of his actions as the real reason for the war. not because he's 'lying' (he's a sincere idiot) but because things are more complex than that -- even small-scale terrorist attacks. no-one likes seeing dead civilians in iraq, including the perpetrators, yet these things happen. somehow the bomber ended up in a place where this seemed like the thing to do.

i'm not discounting iraq as a subjective motivation, but other concrete causes (by his account *not* islamism -- i guess we'll see about that, and the 7/7 bombers' possible visits to madrasses in pakistan) will be *at least* as important.

N_RQ, Monday, 1 August 2005 09:16 (twenty years ago)


i'm sure the bomber himself is being genuine here

My take on it is that he failed in his attempt to blow loads of people up (who makes fake nail bombs?), so now he is causing as much mayhem as possible by shifting the blame to Blair and Bush, causing a schism in the united front, blah blah blah.

This seems very obvious to me, so I'm probably wrong. But it's like if these people in Huyton say, "Oh, we just meant to give him a bit of a warning, put the wind up him a bit."

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 1 August 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

i like the idea of a bomb that shoots out fake nails in gloriously coloured varnish.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 1 August 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

you guys are never gonna let me forget the rubber nails thing, are you?

g-kit (g-kit), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)

I don't know! Young people today!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/4738195.stm

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 11:30 (twenty years ago)

bloody aussies! we let them win at cricket and look how they repay us with their sub-TNT Magazine antics!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)

feeling better about rubber nails thing. there ARE peoples what be dumber than me.

g-kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)

what happened to that girl who actually phoned the police, i wonder.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

Some points extracted from a profile of (failed) bomber Osman, in the Guardian:

"Born in Ethiopia as Hamdi Adus Issac. Arrived in Italy as a teenager in 1991. Lived in Colleferro, a town 40 miles south of Rome. Residents recalled a taciturn youngster who made extra cash selling plastic lighters in shops and bars, but disagreed over whether it was Hamdi or a brother. At some point in the 90s, Mr Issac moved to the big city.

There, he attended school and, according to a former girlfriend interviewed by the newspaper La Repubblica, hung out with friends at a spot near the entrance to the Villa Borghese park, not far from the tourist-packed Piazza del Popolo. His nickname was "Bambi".

"We called him that because of his big dark eyes, like those of a fawn, and his long, thick eyelashes," said the woman, now aged 26, whose name was not given by the newspaper. The nickname seems to have fitted with his personality in those days too.

"He didn't mix in bad company. If a fight broke out, he'd always step in to make peace," she said. After they started to go out, "we went to a disco every Saturday afternoon. He was obsessed with America. It was his dream. The music. Hip-hop.

"He dressed rapper-style. Trousers with a dropped crutch and a basketball vest. He drank alcohol: beer. He danced really well."

Mr Issac's former companion continued: "Everyone knew he was a Muslim and a believer, but he never talked about it to me, nor did he have any problems going out with those of us who were not Muslims. It was just that he didn't eat pork.

"As far as belief was concerned, we used to talk about what we believed in in life and whether we believed in God or not. He did."

But more than anything he was known as a rimorchione, an able and enthusiastic puller of the girls.

His idol in those days was the US rapper Tupac Shakur, the son of a Black Panther, who was killed in a drive-by shooting in Los Angeles in 1996... The man who was later to become a terrorist suspect was entranced by African-American culture, including gangsta rap. He and some of his friends even added a "g" to their names as a tribute to their heroes.

But, said his former companion, their entire circle was entranced by rap, and "Hamdi was not a violent person".

She and other Italian friends kept in touch with the handsome young Ethiopian after he moved to Britain and became Hussein Osman. "Every so often, Hamdi came back to Rome for holidays and we saw each other again."

It worked the other way too. Sometimes, an Italian friend on a visit to London would look him up. Which is how they found that he seemed to have changed more than just his name.

"They told me Hamdi had imposed the veil on his partner", said his former girlfriend. "I don't know if it's true."

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

It's got nothing to do with religion of course

Danperryismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

The Guardian titles its piece, rather jazzily, "Suspect was a Roman Romeo in love with US". But is being in love with rap the same as being in love with the US? Actually, I'm inclined to think it is. I think "gangsta" is a good description of the US' self-image and behaviour.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

his former girlfriend thought he was obsessed with the US i guess. it was the rap and the clothes and the drinking of beer.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

well, if you love rap you love one *aspect* of america; if you love supply-side economics you love *another* aspect, if you love le tigre you love *yet another* aspect.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

So his bomb "action" was an expression of his dissatisfaction with the ____________ aspect of America (N_RQ to fill in the gap, please).

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

he should have been bombing america surely if it was about aspects of america.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:38 (twenty years ago)

could be the bombing iraq aspect
could be the backing of israel aspect
could be the not-making-women-cover-up aspect
could be he couldn't deal with west coast rap getting sonned

N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

Could be the posthumous milking of Tupac outtakes aspect

Danperryismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

maybe he just hates UK garage.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

let's hope he digs UK cell.

g-kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

we call them mobiles here.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

we call them lollerphones

g-kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

Roads closed around King's Cross again after "incident"

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

Police seal off London streets due to suspect bus

LONDON, Aug 2 (Reuters) - British police sealed off an area around Kings Cross station in central London on Tuesday and said there was a bus in the area with smoke coming out of it.

"I don't think we should jump to any conclusions," a police spokesman said, adding that a van from the bomb disposal unit was on its way to the scene as a precaution.

Someone forgot to check the oil.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

It's on Gray's Inn Road apparently.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

well the last time they sealed off camden road where i live, they found a suspect package which was some cardboard box, which the bomb disposal expert folded up, and threw into the bin.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

christ, if they sealed off the roads in glasgow every time smoke came out of a bus ...

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

GLASGOW, Aug 2 (Reuters) - British police sealed off an area around Central Station in Gondon on Tuesday and said there was a bus in the area with no smoke coming out of it.

"I don't think we should jump to any conclusions," a police spokesman said, adding that a van from the bomb disposal unit was on its way to the scene as a precaution.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

there's a lot of sirens, and it is greys inn rd.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

Gondon?

I want to live in Gondon.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

Blimey, i got the bus from Borough to Grays Inn Road on Saturday, wonder if it's the same number of bus.

leigh (leigh), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

yeah, probably just one, leigh. (hohoho, i slay me)

g-kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

false alarm, according to bbc -- just a small fire on a bus.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

christ, if they sealed off the roads in glasgow every time there was a small fire on a bus ...

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

Move along please, nothing to see here...

Danperryismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

small fire, like power surge?

g-kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

New security alert in central London

Staff and agencies
Tuesday August 2, 2005

A fire on a double decker bus in central London caused busy roads to be closed in the King's Cross area this afternoon.
Police closed Gray's Inn Road, Euston Road and parts of Pentonville Road after smoke was seen coming from the Number 205 bus.

A suspect package was found on the bus, but CCTV pictures showed the vehicle's windows were intact.

"There was a small fire on a bus and it seems there was a bag found as well. Nobody was injured," said a spokesman for London Fire Brigade.


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A spokesman for Scotland Yard spokesman said: "We had reports of smoke coming from a double decker bus on Gray's Inn Road."
Emergency services were called to the scene but were stood down after initial investigations by police.

Eyewitnesses said the cordons were being lifted in the area and traffic was returning to normal.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

p.s. fire on a bus is hardly a "false alarm"!!!!

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Also, if I was on a bus and it was on fire, I wouldn't be stopping to pick up my bags. I'd be the hell out of there.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

given that it takes a while to empty a bus, you'd have time to pick up yr bag.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

Just out of interest, are any London-based people making special travel arrangements for Thursday? Planning to avoid public transport?

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

it's a possibility.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

i'm going to work dressed up as a US rapper.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

Which one, Tha Trademarc?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

I'm pretty sure there's stuff going on that the police aren't telling us about, vis a vis other terrorist cells

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Just out of interest, are any London-based people making special travel arrangements for Thursday? Planning to avoid public transport?

Why would someone try to do something on the one day of the week people now expect something most to happen? Blufferama.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

it's to catch out those who thing lightling doesn't hit three times

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

have you got a cold?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Blufferama.

But it might be a double bluff, or a triple bluff. Anyway, I know I'd sure as hell be walking if I were in London on Thursday. It would be worth it just to avoid the Israelization of the network that's sure to be happening that day.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)


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