Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

awesome

Ryan North is clearly not a great draftsman but his "Season One" Riker is spot on

http://1.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kts5bidlxP1qzfxk0o1_400.jpg

Yes – that jaw. What a great drawing.

Uhura's the only lonely one iirc

But what about this classic moment:

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/nakedtime/sulu_uhrua.jpg

Swashbuckling Sulu: I'll protect you, fair maiden!
Uhuru: Sorry...neither!

Best line ever!

What if Star Trek was an ITC production in the mid-70s?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhRGqT31WZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=414TmP12WAU

Turns out the story about Star Trek showing the first kiss between a black and white actor on American television isn't true after all... Nancy Sinatra had already kissed Sammy Davis Jr. on TV in 1967, a year before "Plato's Stepchildren" aired:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movin%27_With_Nancy

I don't think Sammy-Nancy was a "hot" kiss

http://twitter.com/TheRealNimoy/status/12536477742

LOL

Crazy Nimoy! Zoe Saldana didn't exist even on a cellular level back then.

1973 star trek convention:

http://www.youtube.com/user/beyondspock

One-upping that:

http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/05/08/from-the-pre-history-of-fandom-1971-star-trek-fan-film

And then of course:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20061024-71.html

i can't even believe this question was ever asked. anyone who doesn't like Star Trek, even in a secret way, can fuck off and die.

i remember having the trek/wars argument when i was in school and saying star wars. i was so fucking wrong. wrath of khan and search for spock alone > star wars.

absolutely.

star wars has become such a joyless industry to me

well so did ST there until the reboot.

Enterprise had its moments, i thought.

yeah but I could just ignore things like Enterprise (space Bush!) - the OST DVDs were not replaced/scarred with CGI additions, etc.

right. TNG is still my fave, but that's because i grew up with it.

Star Trek just seems like so much more of a flexible and accomodating sort of universe to explore and work with - Star Wars has become so claustrophobic/autistic, always treading over the same water, endlessly filling in and fiddling with details of a single, heavily revered story arc, the self-referentialism is suffocating.

true. i can't imagine star wars ever getting rebooted with Simon Pegg as Han Solo. Although I would prefer that to the prequel movies.

the OST DVDs were not replaced/scarred with CGI additions, etc

Actually, didn't they do exactly this? I remember Paramount came out with new CGI for the old episodes a couple years ago. Maybe the DVDs have both versions?

yeah, I've seen the eps with added CGI late night on tv a few times. from what I've seen, it was done fairly tastefully.

the blu-ray discs allow you to pick either version.

dig this shot:

http://www.marcwade.com/startrek/remastered/tos-050/planetscape/Ep50_planetscape.jpg

of course, the crummy effects are half the fun, so I opt for my old dvds if I have the option.

i can't even believe this question was ever asked. anyone who doesn't like Star Trek, even in a secret way, can fuck off and die.

― it is his "enigmatic signifier" (the table is the table), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:20 (2 hours ago)

^

my point was you can still get the actual aired versions of the OST episodes - they are readily available.

we didn't talk about the recent *amazing* film much on here. was there a seperate thread devoted to it?

aha Young Kirk n Spock + Lost = new Star Trek movie

God that movie was great.

it was good. in order to be great it would have needed a better villain.

it was better than it had any reason to be. as in, it was like the third or fourth best star trek movie and there are like,, 200 of them.

paramount showed way more respect to the original episodes with those CGI updates than lucas did to his own films -- all the ones i've seen have been tasteful and non-distracting.

any consensus on what the best TNG seasons are? i kind of want to watch it again but don't really want to slog through those early episodes again.

my favorite stuff is actually fairly early on - the arc with the Federation conspiracy/cosmic earwig infestation, Q's stories. the Data/Lore stuff is pretty good. Seems like reruns are on all the time, but it's always the boring "office in space" type shit. series was definitely on for too long.

hmm.. i like the first four the best, for the same sorts of reasons.

the arc with the Federation conspiracy/cosmic earwig infestation

shit yeah

^ should run that every halloween

lol I guess that was only 2 episodes at the end of season 1

"it was like the third or fourth best star trek movie and there are like,, 200 of them."

if you're going by star trek parody movies that were surprisingly better than most star trek movies,
there's lots! Galaxy Quest, Futurama, hm.. well I guess that's it.

yeah, so bummed that they never went back to it. strange in that it's the only star trek storyline i know of where you get the idea that the federation is a complex, political and morally questionable organization. stealth smack down on roddenberry's midcentury utopian idealism.

x-post there

yeah, those eps were dope. was also super-disappointed that they never really touched on the conspiracy stuff again.

season 3/4 was the sweet spot for me iirc.

also always have time for the crystalline entity.

Seasons 3-5 are TNG at its best IMO. I do agree it went on for too long though - the last season was extremely bland (and often plain bad).

The Conspiracy bugs should definitely have made a comeback, but producers decided not to, simply because fans thought it too icky. The "Section 31" episodes of DS9 did a pretty similar thing for the Federation.

they did bring the conspiracy back, kind of. the borg were originally supposed to be those space maggots

thanks, alan

the borg were originally supposed to be those space maggots

that so? missed that. not quite the same thing tho...

to be honest I'm glad they didn't go that route. i like bughunting and I like star trek,
but I don't think i would like star trek: bughunter very much. it'd be like that time
they turned picard into jack sparrow.

I've never heard about the borg thing either. not really that similar outside of the gross out factor, right?

speaking of trek stuff that didn't get enough play - always hated how the gorn bridge gets mentioned a couple times in "arena" but never actually makes an appearance. give these guys a spinoff imo.

and np, contenderizer.

this will have to do for now:

http://edpratherart.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/11-gorn-bridge-colored-pencil-on-black-paper2.jpg?w=346&h=450
http://edpratherart.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/12-thine-enemy-captain-colored-pencil-on-black-paper1.jpg?w=346&h=450