Finally saw Goodbye Solo this weekend
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― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 November 2009 04:05 (fourteen years ago) link
what you guys need to see is "historias extraordinarias." blew my dome open like no other movie in the past long long time.
― T.M.I. Friday's (s1ocki), Monday, 30 November 2009 04:15 (fourteen years ago) link
btw most of the crew of Serious American Directors I cited a few posts above are man-boys, including the one girl in the group (i.e. her films center around boys and girls of privilege, and I like hers best).
ha, true. here's where i say, i wrote a book about that. tho i also included linklater and haynes, who are more "mature" in various ways. (and david o. russell, who may or may not be.)
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Monday, 30 November 2009 04:16 (fourteen years ago) link
well wouldja look at that!!
― T.M.I. Friday's (s1ocki), Monday, 30 November 2009 04:17 (fourteen years ago) link
cool!
yeah, it's ok. it coulda/woulda/shoulda been better. but that whole thing of trying to grow up, what that means or how to do it, was an obvious theme to tie together a lot of that group.
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Monday, 30 November 2009 04:26 (fourteen years ago) link
John K.'s h8rtacular post on this cracks me up hard.
― mascara and ties (Abbott), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 23:50 (fourteen years ago) link
saw this today, enjoyed it pretty much start to finish, whether despite or because of andersonisms gets sort of hard to day past a point.
it's a really imaginative movie. and pretty funny too.
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 5 December 2009 03:50 (fourteen years ago) link
hard to SAY past a point...
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 5 December 2009 03:51 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah it's kind of both, I mean I rolled my eyes a little when the Beach Boys came on because it's so predictable Wes Anderson but OTOH Heroes and Villains is a great song and that was a great scene
― dmr, Saturday, 5 December 2009 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link
The models on this drove me nuts because half the time they didn't have proper elbows and knees! Sometimes they bent like proper joints and others their arms and legs curved like pieces of macaroni. Sometimes it looked like they had proper quality armatures & others like they were built around the unyielding wires found in Gumby and Pokey toys.
The characters weren't really built to make facial expressions, either. Any reaction shot where a character had to pull a face totally took me out of the moment. Half the time I only knew what type of face they were supposed to be pulling due to context & musical cues. Also their crying = freaky eye leakage was wrong. People blink when they cry, they don't just drain fluids everywhere.
― mascara and ties (Abbott), Sunday, 6 December 2009 00:34 (fourteen years ago) link
I thought it was a decent movie & the human characters were good at facial expressions. I bet the animals could have made more readable, nice-looking expressions if Wes Anderson hadn't imposed constraints on them. I felt so bad for the animators after reading that article linked upthread where they talked about all these stupid demands Wes made.
― mascara and ties (Abbott), Sunday, 6 December 2009 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link
The characters weren't really built to make facial expressions, either. Any reaction shot where a character had to pull a face totally took me out of the moment. Half the time I only knew what type of face they were supposed to be pulling due to context & musical cues.
this, completely.
― mod only knows who i'd ban without u (s1ocki), Sunday, 6 December 2009 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link
But that's ok, cuz in Anderson's human movies the actors aren't built to make facial expressions either.
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 6 December 2009 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link
any link to john k's blog should be accompanied by a porn-style disclaimer that he is a complete lunatic.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 6 December 2009 00:40 (fourteen years ago) link
fantastic! at the moment, my fave US film of the year and the first great animated film I've seen since The Iron Giant.
― Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 December 2009 02:08 (fourteen years ago) link
I felt so bad for the animators after reading that article linked upthread where they talked about all these stupid demands Wes made.
nb: fuck animators.
― Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 December 2009 02:12 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^ this. buncha whiny bastards.
― a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Monday, 7 December 2009 02:44 (fourteen years ago) link
First time Morbs and I have agreed on a best-movie-or-close-enough since Inland Empire, iirc.
― really senile old crap shit (Eric H.), Monday, 7 December 2009 03:10 (fourteen years ago) link
that's not exactly eons...
― Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 December 2009 03:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Feels like it.
― really senile old crap shit (Eric H.), Monday, 7 December 2009 03:21 (fourteen years ago) link
you're young.
― Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 December 2009 03:23 (fourteen years ago) link
I was remarking to tipsy mothra that Mr. Fox's character flaws neatly complement George Clooney's shortcomings as an actor! His most fitting role ever?
― Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 December 2009 03:25 (fourteen years ago) link
You're going to have to spell that out for me. (Also, this is probably Meryl Streep's worst performance in eons, but that's neither here nor there.)
― really senile old crap shit (Eric H.), Monday, 7 December 2009 03:26 (fourteen years ago) link
I haven't worked it out entirely. Something to do with how their semi-ironic deployment of charm is used in the service of morally abominable Jason Reitman films / stealing chickens.
I disagree, I liked Streep, but then I skipped Mamma Mia etc.
Kylie the possum A+
― Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 December 2009 03:31 (fourteen years ago) link
o brother where art thou? = equally fine use of clooney's strengths & weaknesses (both of which boil down to "getting by on charm")
― a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Monday, 7 December 2009 03:42 (fourteen years ago) link
plus mama mia was good (not great, see "getting by on charm") and streep was fine in it. she avoided embarrassing herself, which under the circumstances = heroic triumph.
― a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Monday, 7 December 2009 03:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Something to do with how their semi-ironic deployment of charm is used in the service of morally abominable Jason Reitman films / stealing chickens.
yeah i think clooney always seems like he's trying to put one over on you a little. he's too cagey, he holds something back that makes his more "serious" roles (e.g. solaris) seem not-fully-inhabited. which is why his best roles are as sort of shifty characters (out of sight, three kings, mr. fox).
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Monday, 7 December 2009 04:21 (fourteen years ago) link
― really senile old crap shit (Eric H.),
^^^^^^^^
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 December 2009 04:26 (fourteen years ago) link
and Streep was strangely forgettable in this -- not even noticeably annoying.
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 December 2009 04:27 (fourteen years ago) link
my three and a half year old managed to sit through the whole thing, probably for my benefit. triumph! I quite liked it. In no way do I think it's be first great animated film since Iron Giant (Morbious, you don't like any pixar films?), but it's quite good, and I originally didn't think I would like it at all.
― akm, Monday, 7 December 2009 04:28 (fourteen years ago) link
i thought streep was good. the scenes with the two of them were some of my favorites. "i love you too ... but i shouldn't have married you." that hurt.
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Monday, 7 December 2009 04:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Ponyo and Coraline were better animated films of 2009.
― mascara and ties (Abbott), Monday, 7 December 2009 05:04 (fourteen years ago) link
The possum was totally great, also had the best voice acting imo. "I pay my bills on time...I've always had good credit!"
― mascara and ties (Abbott), Monday, 7 December 2009 05:05 (fourteen years ago) link
possum is a fine addition to the canon of goofy sidekicks.
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Monday, 7 December 2009 05:16 (fourteen years ago) link
― mascara and ties (Abbott), Monday, December 7, 2009 12:04 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
so was up!
― mod only knows who i'd ban without u (s1ocki), Monday, 7 December 2009 05:42 (fourteen years ago) link
no, i'd say all of those were good, but not quite as good. all three much more structurally flawed for starters. mr. fox was some tight, solid, consistent storytelling (a nice surprise, since anderson had been getting wandery/spacey in that dept).
― a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Monday, 7 December 2009 06:00 (fourteen years ago) link
"structurally flawed" is too cruel a description for up, which i loved. but it was something of a jumble.
― a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Monday, 7 December 2009 06:01 (fourteen years ago) link
up was more inventive, more imaginative and more cinematic in pretty much every single respect than FMF, whether you prefer WA's taste in clothing and fonts or not
― mod only knows who i'd ban without u (s1ocki), Monday, 7 December 2009 06:06 (fourteen years ago) link
no i pretty much just enjoy anderson's taste in clothing and fonts
agree about up being, well ... being none of the things you mention, but it was much more moving than the fantastic mr. fox, which flirted with a lot of ache but never dove into it headfirst. foxes being all sly like that. if up's villain and third act had been as strong as the rest, i'd probably rate it the best animated film of the year.
― a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Monday, 7 December 2009 06:30 (fourteen years ago) link
loved up's 3rd act, but by then the story had got so structurally and tonally incoherent that i was pretty much just enjoying the roller-coaster value.
― a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Monday, 7 December 2009 06:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Because we're now just spouting off subjectivisms, FMF is just straight up more entertaining than Up and that's it and that's all.
― really senile old crap shit (Eric H.), Monday, 7 December 2009 06:31 (fourteen years ago) link
my subjectivisms are elevated by lucid reasoning and good taste. so they're different from other people's.
― a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Monday, 7 December 2009 06:35 (fourteen years ago) link
this film still shit
― conrad, Monday, 7 December 2009 06:48 (fourteen years ago) link
for example
― a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Monday, 7 December 2009 06:50 (fourteen years ago) link
whistle click this film still shit
― conrad, Monday, 7 December 2009 07:16 (fourteen years ago) link
you guys should listen to conrad
― mod only knows who i'd ban without u (s1ocki), Monday, 7 December 2009 07:42 (fourteen years ago) link
this was def not shit - easily better than the last coupla Anderson movies - but in no way touches the awesomeness of prime Pixar/Miyazaki. it lacks that sense of wonder that the best family films (including The Iron Giant) tend to evoke.
― Simon H., Monday, 7 December 2009 09:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Saw this yesterday, in a virtually empty cineworld, and found it to be a laugh-free zone - entire film seemed VERY disjointed, poorly paced/structured, boring, even. Hated the way the foxes were animated, thought that Clooney, Streep and Murray were all coasting - meh
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 7 December 2009 10:12 (fourteen years ago) link
I was thoroughly lost in a sense of wonder throughout, mostly that anything this crafty and visionary can still get spat out by the Hollywood Machine. It's been awhile.
Liked Coraline but it wasn't in this film's neighborhood; haven't caught Up and Ponyo so far.
― Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 December 2009 12:25 (fourteen years ago) link