your favorite little computer program hoonja-doonja (mac version)

& then it just syncs the same way gmail does

yeah, if you like the gmail way of doing email that is probably the way to go

I don't love the gmail way but that makes sense, you mean using the google apps standard or premiere to have @acute replace @gmail, then I can give gmail control over the mail servers or whatever for my domain, thus getting emails right away instead of some bullshit check every 40 minutes pop check thing?

Then have gmail imap sync with my desktop mail.app?

So then I'd tell mail.app to stop downloading those directly to avoid duplicates? I don't know why it's all so complicated.

I prefer mail.app's interface the best, then Yahoo, then gmail.

just used automator for the first time... pretty useful, actually!

I don't love the gmail way but that makes sense, you mean using the google apps standard or premiere to have @acute replace @gmail, then I can give gmail control over the mail servers or whatever for my domain, thus getting emails right away instead of some bullshit check every 40 minutes pop check thing?

yeah exactly. i use dreamhost so google apps is free but its super easy to set up and run and the imap works as well as regular gmail imap does w/ mail.app. and yeah id stop the pop3 setup so you can just have your imap acct

i just have so many accounts, I even set up a danselzer @ acute imap account months ago but stopped it right away, turned it on again last night to see how I could sync it and immediately started getting spam to mail.app! I don't think I ever used that address anywhere. My web host has the worst interfaces and online support. I'll have to call them to figure some of this stuff out.

i have faith that itll all work out for you dan

im worried tbh!

you should be worried. This is not happening. Firstly, I can't even set up a basic imap address that works right and syncs right, even without gmail. But mostly I'm scared to switch my MX records to point to gmail to access new IMAP mail accounts on google apps because what will happen with the old POP accounts? Should I kill the POP accounts and replace them with IMAP accounts with the same name? Will mail.app then delete all my old emails?

oh god i knew this would happen

thanks for the omni disk sweeper suggestion Dan, I'm watching Hoarders right now (omg) and felt the need to get clean the shit out of my laptop.

you should be worried. This is not happening. Firstly, I can't even set up a basic imap address that works right and syncs right, even without gmail. But mostly I'm scared to switch my MX records to point to gmail to access new IMAP mail accounts on google apps because what will happen with the old POP accounts? Should I kill the POP accounts and replace them with IMAP accounts with the same name? Will mail.app then delete all my old emails?

― dan selzer, Tuesday, December 1, 2009 1:55 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think mail.app will let you archive all your old mail as a backup

your favorite little computer program hoonja-doonja (max version)

whoa: http://www.twilightedge.com/mac/readright/index.html

game-changer for my ability to read serious documents comfortably on this screen. after using it for a few hours, i'm now bothered by the screen's poor resolution more than it's stupid "cinematic" shape and UI cruft, which is progress!

anybody ever use Zimbra? It could be a lot of nonsense, but I'm trying it. It's a desktop mail app that syncs to whatever accounts you want, yahoo, gmail, imap and pop etc, and downloads everything from those services, so you have access to all your mail online or off.

i don't get it. you have access to your mail offline with mail.app or thunderbird too?

p.s. i use http://software.complete.org/software/projects/show/offlineimap /hardman

not my old yahoo emails. It doesn't look like it's quite as slick as I'd like.

i just killed it, it already didn't work exactly as advertised.

are your old yahoo emails on a server somewhere?

are your old yahoo emails on a server somewhere?
--caek

They're on yahoo of course

so why can't you jut add it as imap account? i think i'm missing something.

yahoo doesn't support imap.

hmmm. didn't know that. i would consider paying for the premium service just so you can export the old mail to someone that does then, e.g. gmail. (tbh, i wouldn't trust yahoo to be the sole keeper of some of my email archive. i'd be surprised if they were still around in 5-10 years.)

the import process is all built into gmail, and once you've moved the archive over you can delete the yahoo account (or set it to forward new mail), and then use whatever imap client you like, or the gmail or whatevs.

it is 2009 why can I still not move more than one playlist at a time in itunes?!!?!??!?!

seriously.

http://www.asktog.com/columns/075AppleFlatlandPart1.html

it's the only feature I want for itunes. do you still have to do a workaround in itunes to make cmd+F the shortcut for the search box o_O

cmd-opt-f is the shortcut for searchboxes to filter in pretty much every os x application.

cmd-f to cycle through the occurrences of text in a document.

not that it makes sense, but it is consistent.

That asktog article is kind of weird... It's obvious the guy is someone important in UI design, but is he seriously holding up Photoshop as the ideal for Apple to emulate? No wonder he doesn't work for them anymore. I was under the impression that Photoshop is most designers' prime example of a mess of a UI.

Furthermore, his examples all seem more clearly related to being a fossil of a computer user that actual interface shortcomings on Apple's part. I can open applications and find documents in an instant using dead simple key commands, without add-ons like quicksliver or dragthings. The combination of OSX's search features and key commands are much faster for me than some 3rd-party add on.

The Safari criticism is a valid one, but not really a "flatland" problem as he defines it. I use the Saft add-on for Safari which makes the bookmark function work exactly as he suggests.

The iPhoto "clicking" issue is a non-issue considering the advanced scrolling and multi-touch gestures that work in iPhoto, but maybe he can't figure that out if he's still inanely clicking on the scrollbar to move up a down in a window. If you're fast scrolling through events in iPhoto, you get a nice date display super-imposed over the photos, which works great unless you are the type who doesn't set the date on yr digital camera.

I don't use keywords in iPhoto, so I'm not going to comment on that. I think things like facial recognition in the newer versions of iPhoto are probably going to reduce the need for keywords in the near future.

His comments on the iPhone I don't completely disagree with, but they also don't resonate with my usage patterns. Wanting to use folders for applications seems sort of counter to the need to quickly access apps while half-looking at the phone in a normal mobile setting. I guess Apple could implement something like this easily, but I don't think it's that useful. Why have a bunch of apps on your iphone that you never use?

Finally, Apple has pro-apps which also maintain a consistent UI and look pretty simple on the surface while packing in some pretty powerful features. There doesn't seem to be a lot of complaints from pro-users about the layout of Logic or (less familiar to me) Final Cut.

Of course there are always some problems with the way certain things work (I just deleted a few playlists by accident in iTunes the other day and was like "no undo?" when I realized they were lost for good). Still, most of these seem more like small oversights that some grand flaw in Apple's design philsophy

that dude needs to have fewer bookmarks, applications, fewer everything,

i bet his texts are too long too

seems likely

he should be friends with tracer

Of course there are always some problems with the way certain things work (I just deleted a few playlists by accident in iTunes the other day and was like "no undo?" when I realized they were lost for good). Still, most of these seem more like small oversights that some grand flaw in Apple's design philsophy

I basically agree with this, bar a couple of points. iPhoto was of absolutely no use to me when it was first released on OS X (because i took more than two photos per year) and I filed things manually with Finder until Lightroom came out, which has been a smash hit among UI nerds and is not just iPhoto + Unix/Windows-like folders, which is the straw man I think a lot of people imagine when they read people like Tog.

I will say that playlist organization on iTunes has not changed in four years, and it's beginning to look less and less like an oversight.

The lack of UI complaints about the pro apps is unrelated to this issue, imo. The UI of Logic was established before it was bought by Apple and is nothing like iPhoto or Safari. I'm not holding it up as an example of good UI design, but it clearly doesn't suffer from oversimplification. The same goes for FCP.

This was an interesting response to the Tog article: http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2009/10/11/flatland/

is tog really using Adobe stuff? It's a total nightmare. I recently upgraded to CS4 and it's taken me an hour in each app to customize the workspaces to my liking, and even then it's still a mess, not to mention that there isn't even design consistency between CS4 apps.

i think he's restricting his comments to photoshop (and yeah, he probably hasn't upgraded since PS 7)

cmd+f for searching itunes is classic. cmd+opt+f shrinks ur balls/ovaries

gutted

I hate that VLC can't make macbook's region free too ;_;

which macbook do you have?

2GHz core 2 duo

same as me. i unlocked mine. i have to give a talk tomorrow, but bump this thread later in the week and i'll go through my notes and email you the files i used to do it. it's not hard, but i think the info has disappeared from the public internet.

p.s. under About This Mac > More Info > Disc Burning, do you have a "MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-857D"

no :( I have HL-DT-ST DVDRW GWA4080MA

nerds

no u

(wd appreciate a look at those notes when u have a chance tho :)

upholding adobe UI as a positive example of ANYTHING is pure insanity

http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/

xxp, it looks like there is a firmware hack for this (e.g. googling "GWA4080MA region"), but (i) you need to boot into windows to apply it and (ii) the site you get them from (rpc1.org) seems to have disappeared off the internet.

i have everything you need for the UJ-857D if that's any use to anyone (i think that drive went into some 2006/7 MacBooks and iMacs)