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Mark Steyn
*runs away*

Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 17 June 2004 05:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I like "Crazy Andy" Sullivan when he's in his thoughtful angsty conservative mode. I hate him when he's in his idiot demagogue conservative mode. I never know which one I'll find when I open his blog.

Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 17 June 2004 05:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Gerald Ford! Is he even a conservative? He seems so blank. He looks like Frankenberries, therefore, classic.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 17 June 2004 05:30 (nineteen years ago) link

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 05:31 (nineteen years ago) link

what was that all about?

He looks like Frankenberries even in that old pic.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 17 June 2004 05:32 (nineteen years ago) link

*sigh*

1970s and 1980s: Financial crisis

Financial crisis hit the city in the mid-1970s, when it briefly appeared that the city might have to declare bankruptcy (see John Lindsay). The fiscal crisis resulted largely from the combination of generous welfare spending by the city government in the 1960s and the stock market and economic stagnation of the 1970s. President Gerald R. Ford earned the enmity of many New Yorkers when he refused to use federal money to "bail out" the city. The New York Daily News famously summarized Ford's decision in a headline: "Ford to City: Drop Dead".

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 05:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I couldn't tell what city it was. (everyone calls every nearby city "The City").

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 17 June 2004 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Argh, I Forgot about D.E.E!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 17 June 2004 07:27 (nineteen years ago) link

John McCain, Collin Quin? (is he a conservative?, seems to be a Bush supporter)

Cacaman Flores, Thursday, 17 June 2004 08:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Thomas Sowell has a permanent stick up his butt about affirmative action and alll things PC but he wrote a book called "Conquest and Culture" that was kind of brilliant. It talked, among other things, about the huge influence of geography on the development of cultures in a way I'd never considered before. For instance he pointed out that Europe has a larger coastline than Africa despite being much smaller in area facilitating trade and that technology spreads in an East-West direction more easily than North-South, (because it allows travel along a single climatic bands) speeding up development in Eurasia while hindering it in the Americas. I was impressed by the book and quite surprised when I googled his name and realized he was the cranky black Republican who wrote a column for my local paper.

Mir Foregnor, Thursday, 17 June 2004 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

It's a great theory, but it was a great theory in Jared Diamond's book the year before.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0465013996
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393038912

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 17 June 2004 11:37 (nineteen years ago) link

My best friend's a tory, so that's one. His dad is a tory councillor, and he's really nice, so two. I'm sure lots of my haute-bourgeoisie friends would vote conservative too.

William Hague strikes me as an able politician and a decent and honest fellow.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 17 June 2004 11:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I like my conservatives completely bugfuck insane, so that I know who I'm dealing with thanks very much. Tom DeLay. Jude Wanniski. Paul Weyrich. Gary Bauer. Cuddly conservatives immediately make me suspicious.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, I s'pose he smiles too much

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Is Gordo ever without his Inspector Gadget jacket?

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

god he is soooooo gay. I love him.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

gayness confirmed:

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

WHY YES, LIDDY IS SCRUMPTOUS!

http://www.rferl.org/specials/50years/images/kissinger-large.jpg

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

(that's David Haig, British character actor and DI Grim in "The Thin Blue Line", btw)

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I second Liddy and Gerry Spence

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

And of course...

http://www.leary.com/archives/photo/gems/GGordonLiddyLAdebate.gif

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

And John McWhorter wrote the most offensive column about hip-hop that I've ever read.

Can someone point me to this article?

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Frank Miller OMG HAHA

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 17 June 2004 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

After looking at that thong photo, I don't think I could ever be as gay as Liddy.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 17 June 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Ken Clarke owns this thread. However, for true old duffer Toryness, you have to salute the magic of Alec Douglas Home, the only man to ever get a fourth class degree from Oxbridge.

John McCain is a raving lunatic. I know he speaks his mind and stuff, but it is the mind of a mentalist. Let's not forget this.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 17 June 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

This is going back a bit, but I wanted to post before I forgot:

Most of the conservative ideals - keeping marijuana illegal, opposing a woman's right to choose, expanding the military (I'd add tax breaks to the rich, but I don't think a conservative would admit that) seem pretty fucking far from libertarianism to me.

In fact, the only republican who actually truely believe the stated conservative goal of "less government" is John McCain who gets shit for being too liberal.

And, unrelated, but why would you ever proudly assert the label "conservative" on yourself; it seems like such an insult -- it implies a fear of change and longing for the past that doesn't seem positive at all to me.

David Allen (David Allen), Thursday, 17 June 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Likewise "liberal" can be viewed as a derogatory term including such delectable qualities as effeminite, soft, smelly, hypocritical, etc.

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 17 June 2004 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I'm not referring to connotations that were tacked on later, I'm talking about the actual definition.

a : tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : TRADITIONAL b : marked by moderation or caution < a conservative estimate > c : marked by or relating to traditional norms of taste, elegance, style, or manners

The idea that you would be proud that you want to "maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions" or "traditional norms" especially considering that "norms" at one point included slavery and segregation, seems pretty irrational to me.

David Allen (David Allen), Thursday, 17 June 2004 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link

That definition is merriam-webster, by the way.

David Allen (David Allen), Thursday, 17 June 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

My two favorite writers - Edward Abbey and Tom Wolfe - both of whom have substantially shaped my worldview, are both conservatives in the traditional sense.

I admit to liking Tucker Carlson more than I should. I hate myself for finding Liddy amusing, and appreciating his being less nuts than many of these guys. I wouldn't say I like John McCain, but I (mostly, and comparatively) respect and appreciate him. I feel similarly about Lugar, and also Hagel, though (a lot?) less so. I don't agree with Dole on most things, but I would find him inoffensive if he were less of a sellout (and the war wound and he's funny). I didn't mind the Hatfield/Packwood types much, but I wonder if they would have lost my respect if they had been around when the Gingrich revolution came. Colin Powell has completely lost whatever respect I had for him. I dislike PJ O'Rourke and loathe David Brooks the hack (I have some gruding respect for David Brooks the occasional journalist). I find Stanley Crouch occasionally interesting, but typically pompous and in other ways annoying. I like Trent Lott at least twice as much as Bill Frickin Frist.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 17 June 2004 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, Liddy's gayer than Henry Rollins.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Friday, 18 June 2004 00:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom Wolfe is conservative? How did he get along with all those electric kool aide guys?

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 18 June 2004 00:56 (nineteen years ago) link

http://godlis.com/punk_page3/images/0.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 18 June 2004 00:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Ted Nugent!

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 18 June 2004 02:04 (nineteen years ago) link

My wife's uncle is a really good guy, even though he gives us a National Review subscription for Christmas every year.

spittle (spittle), Friday, 18 June 2004 04:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Charles Barkely for Republican Guvnor of Alabama!!!

Symplistic (shmuel), Friday, 18 June 2004 05:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, Pat Buchanan, because Hunter S. Thompson depicts him as a good man.

Symplistic (shmuel), Friday, 18 June 2004 05:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Jay, http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_3_how_hip_hop.html

I think there was an ILM thread about it. If you want to know my feelings about it, I could link you to my long and incoherent blog post about it.

Symplistic (shmuel), Friday, 18 June 2004 05:19 (nineteen years ago) link

It's Boris Johnson's 40th birthday!

Tag (Tag), Friday, 18 June 2004 09:30 (nineteen years ago) link

David Brooks the freelance sociologist is 100X more noxious than David Brooks the White House columnostooge, in my book. It seems like most people will give him a free pass for being a total shameless hack in his Times pieces because he came up with "Patio Man." These hack-in-intellectual's-robes types are the worst of the lot. Again, I like my Republicans in-your-face evil. I'd take John Fund anyday over some milquetoast like Brooks.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 18 June 2004 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Ex Conservative MP Matthew Parrish is the Morrissey of British politics. He used to be a punk rocker and when he tried to come out in a late night sitting no-one noticed.

He seems like a good bloke despite being what he would call a "natural conservative" and his autobiography is very entertaining.

holojames (holojames), Friday, 18 June 2004 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

lol

gff, Friday, 25 January 2008 21:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I now like David Brooks and dislike everyone else I big-upped

gabbneb, Friday, 25 January 2008 21:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Jay, http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_3_how_hip_hop.html

I think there was an ILM thread about it. If you want to know my feelings about it, I could link you to my long and incoherent blog post about it.

-- Symplistic (shmuel), Friday, June 18, 2004 12:19 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

Ha, I never saw this response.

jaymc, Friday, 25 January 2008 21:24 (sixteen years ago) link

i like ross douthat, most of the 'american scene' crew (tho they're all a bit indie-nerdy, esp. reihan salam)

but yeah i like 'em batshit too: mark steyn, ledeen (i'd read the corner but their rss feed doesn't include author info, so fuck it, life is too short to weed thru tons of kathryn jean teasdale lopez or whoever the fuck). it's amazing to read dudes like that and know that every single assertion is flat out wrong

SPENGLER, fuck it i love spengler 4lyfe. he's just bizarre. and openly genocidal, it's...refreshing?

i had a minor crush on nicole gelinas of city journal for a little bit.

gff, Friday, 25 January 2008 21:29 (sixteen years ago) link


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