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Agreed - she was excellent. As was Zaki Badawi, I thought.

x-post: wuh!?

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4727975.stm

― beanz (beanz), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)

What do you mean by dictating?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:26 (twenty years ago)

sorry I meant relaying

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

reporting every move that she can see. Maybe terrorists don't have sky?

― Ed (dali), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)

hampstead road had a bit of a road block yesterday morning, but it was actually a traffic accident. it's weird how it seems odd now to see roads blocked off for non-bomb-alert things.

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:30 (twenty years ago)

"Take your clothes off. Exit the building. Do you understand?"

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

The lyrics to the new R Kelly single have leaked?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

They were all quite impressive, on that. But I felt a bit short-changed when Sir Ian Blair started repeating himself word for word.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 29 July 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

looks like they have caught two more of the bombers from last thurs.

― N_RQ, Friday, 29 July 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

Still baffled at how/why they would still be in London, though perhaps because it's the largest city in this country it's the best place to 'hide' in? Leaving the country being too risky perhaps.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 29 July 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

it depends where they have connections/places to stay i guess.

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 29 July 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it's all about the network - and I guess they didn't really plan this far ahead...

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 29 July 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

yeah, they need boltholes, the ports are watched, and they want to do it again.

― N_RQ, Friday, 29 July 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

What mentalism is this?? (Two women arrested at Liverpool Street - entire area evacuated - WTFF?!)

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 29 July 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

"Initially there was obviously a bit of chaos. They tried to push people away and tried to stop people taking pictures with their mobile telephones," he said.

That is so going to overstretch police resources.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

oh it's friday again then?

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

Geez, a Somali and an Eritrean on the last round? Thanks, dudes.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 29 July 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

I am disappointed that Phil has apparently left.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

well you are always welcome to stop by his blog from time to time

― ken c (ken c), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:51 (twenty years ago)

Seeing as he hardly ever gets comments left on it, I'm very tempted. He deserves *some* comments, even if they are all to poke holes in his favoured theories.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 30 July 2005 07:54 (twenty years ago)

sign off as "your friend" every time.

― ken c (ken c), Saturday, 30 July 2005 08:14 (twenty years ago)

well you are always welcome to stop by his blog from time to time

Now, you're misquoting him. He said people were welcome to stop his blog from time to time.

― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 30 July 2005 09:01 (twenty years ago)

* switches off the internet.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 30 July 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)

BBC News this morning:

Darcus "Thickus Pigshit" Howe: "We need to understand why some of our young people are prepared to kill themselves for the reward, in heaven, of seven Vestal virgins."

Bloody Latin extremists. If they like Ancient Rome so much, why don't they go and live there? We're all going to hell in a chariot etc etc etc etc

― Dadaismus (Dada), Saturday, 30 July 2005 11:46 (twenty years ago)

"We need to understand why some of our young people are prepared to kill themselves for the reward, in heaven, of seven Vestal virgins."

I blame Procul Harum.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 30 July 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

The Observer today:

"One of the men accused of taking part in the failed terror attacks in London on 21 July has claimed the bomb plot was directly inspired by Britain's involvement in the Iraq war.
In a remarkable insight into the motives behind the alleged would-be bombers, Hussain Osman, arrested in Rome on Friday, has revealed how the suspects watched hours of TV footage showing grief-stricken Iraqi widows and children alongside images of civilians killed in the conflict. He is alleged to have told prosecutors that after watching the footage: 'There was a feeling of hatred and a conviction that it was necessary to give a signal - to do something.'"

― Momus (Momus), Sunday, 31 July 2005 05:03 (twenty years ago)

That he decided to 'do something' by replicating the idiocies of that stupid, horrible war via trying to create more dead civilians and widows and widowers and orphans is precisely why I hate humanity in general (an extrapolation, granted).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 31 July 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

BBC:

"People from certain ethnic groups are more likely to be stopped and searched on London transport in the wake of the bombings, British Transport Police say.

A force spokesman said communities were not being singled out, but police have to "target the people we think may be involved" in bomb attacks.

The policy has been supported by Home Office minister Hazel Blears."

Fucking great.

― Tannenbaum Schmidt (Nik), Sunday, 31 July 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

'Communities'. AAAARGH.

― suzy (suzy), Sunday, 31 July 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Considering the one Jamaican dude in the 7/7 attacks, this is even more silly than might be first guessed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 31 July 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

Things fall apart.

― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 31 July 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

You don't believe what that bloke in Italy says, do you, Momus? Does anybody else?

One thing to arise from all this - the morning sunshine in Rome is very pleasant, as seen on breakfast television.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:45 (twenty years ago)

yes, what a remarkable insight.

― N_RQ, Monday, 1 August 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)

who wasn't appalled by the loss of civilian life in iraq? it's a bit like explaining 9/11 in terms of the US troops stationed in saudi.

― N_RQ, Monday, 1 August 2005 08:08 (twenty years ago)

Osman was also reported as saying: "Religion had nothing to do with it. We were shown videos of the Iraq war and told we must do something big."

― N_RQ, Monday, 1 August 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)

It's not the content of the statement that is being held us as remarkable is it? I read it as saying that the fact that we have an insight into an interrogation is remarkable.

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 1 August 2005 08:24 (twenty years ago)

who wasn't appalled by the loss of civilian life in iraq? it's a bit like explaining 9/11 in terms of the US troops stationed in saudi.

uh, sarcasm?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 1 August 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)

> We were shown videos of the Iraq war and told we must do something big.

but doesn't his defence seem to be resting on the 'we never meant for the bombs to explode' angle? something big = fake bombs?

― koogs (koogs), Monday, 1 August 2005 08:44 (twenty years ago)

i think blaming 9/11 on sarcasm is stretching it a little too far.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 1 August 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

it's not at all sarcasm. it's mind-bogglingly off the point to take the stated aims of AQ as the actual 'causes' of their actions. i suppose it's distantly possible that if the US had never stationed troops there the 1993 and 2001 attacks on new york wouldn't have happened, but the fundamental fact of US embroilment in mid-east politics, combined with the rise wahabissm, amde these likely at some point on the timeline. of course iraq and saudi are in there, but to smugly sit back, as the stop the war crew do, and say, 'if the US pulled out of the mid-east,' a fantasy in pretty much any possible development of modern history, 'then we'd all be safe' just won't do.

― N_RQ, Monday, 1 August 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

I see just as much smugness in the people who continue to assert that 'pulling out' or having never intervened in the first place would not have prevented what's happened from happening. Yes the links are over simplistic but that's how AQ-affiliates seem to like them when explaining themselves on tape. Of course there is the question 'how can you believe what they say?' but what sort of choice is believing them vs believing the speculation of 'experts' here that this was all inevitable?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 1 August 2005 08:56 (twenty years ago)

i'm sure the bomber himself is being genuine here, but as with anyone, what we say about why we do stuff isn't the full story. add to that the fact that there's a network behind these bombers. the second point can be argued more strongly, i think -- these guys as patsies for a bigger organization. but the first point is also important.

like any life decision, you follow a kind of logic that isn't yours. this guy's logic said that images of dead civilians in iraq meant he must kill civilians here. tony blair's logic said he had to kill civilians there -- but no-one would take blair's account of his actions as the real reason for the war. not because he's 'lying' (he's a sincere idiot) but because things are more complex than that -- even small-scale terrorist attacks. no-one likes seeing dead civilians in iraq, including the perpetrators, yet these things happen. somehow the bomber ended up in a place where this seemed like the thing to do.

i'm not discounting iraq as a subjective motivation, but other concrete causes (by his account *not* islamism -- i guess we'll see about that, and the 7/7 bombers' possible visits to madrasses in pakistan) will be *at least* as important.

― N_RQ, Monday, 1 August 2005 09:16 (twenty years ago)

i'm sure the bomber himself is being genuine here

My take on it is that he failed in his attempt to blow loads of people up (who makes fake nail bombs?), so now he is causing as much mayhem as possible by shifting the blame to Blair and Bush, causing a schism in the united front, blah blah blah.

This seems very obvious to me, so I'm probably wrong. But it's like if these people in Huyton say, "Oh, we just meant to give him a bit of a warning, put the wind up him a bit."

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 1 August 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

i like the idea of a bomb that shoots out fake nails in gloriously coloured varnish.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 1 August 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

you guys are never gonna let me forget the rubber nails thing, are you?

― g-kit (g-kit), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)

I don't know! Young people today!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/4738195.stm

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 11:30 (twenty years ago)

bloody aussies! we let them win at cricket and look how they repay us with their sub-TNT Magazine antics!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)

feeling better about rubber nails thing. there ARE peoples what be dumber than me.

― g-kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)

what happened to that girl who actually phoned the police, i wonder.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

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