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>on an unrelated note, SomethingAwful.com is down. Its servers are housed on the 10th floor in downtown.<

Somethingawful's servers were the ones being kept going by Interdictor, actually (DirectNic).

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)


>If Alan comes back by this thread, tell him that NBC News reported tonight that 28% of people in New Orleans live below the poverty line.<

I was aware of that fact already. I also won't bother going back to the FEMA numbers (even if they're what I said they would be) because there's basically no way of knowing whether or not they're right. I doubt they're doing scientific polling as people are brought to safety. If they are, as the threat of post traumatic stress disorder looms, I think it would be fairly tasteless.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

>Anyone thinking Interdictor is losing it a little?<

Read his early journal entries. He was never all that with it to begin with. While I'll admit that he's done a fine job of reporting from the ground, the whole "I'm going to stay and fight it out!" thing was in many ways a giant ego trip (which is why all those entries are public, unlike others he's made in the past) that has also endangered the lives of others, including his girlfriend, who chose to stay with him (and may now have to evacuate. There's been more than a few "if the cops can't stop them, maybe I will" type things that he's said.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)

Somethingawful's servers were the ones being kept going by Interdictor, actually (DirectNic)

no shit?

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:19 (twenty years ago)

It's interesting/sad reading the comments - all these 'overinsulated' geek/goth types suddenly using military parlance and telling each other to 'watch your six'. What the fuuuuck...

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

>no shit?<

Seriously. It had been referred to earlier by people replying in the journal, and in a recent entry, he makes note about how he has to cut off their server and its traffic for right now.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:33 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, get the fuck out, give the supplies to hospitals/national guard units...

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:36 (twenty years ago)

Watching footage of a small fire cresting the waterline on CNN right now -- how much oil and other combustible materials are in the water, and what would happen if fires started spreading? I'm getting terrified thinking about it.

disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:43 (twenty years ago)

all these 'overinsulated' geek/goth types suddenly using military parlance and telling each other to 'watch your six'

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000099T2H.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0007DGB4E.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000AJMPK.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)

i'm being dead serious, by the way. that's how many of them pick up the lingo & shit.

chubby computer geek + military/survivalist leanings = war gamer

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:58 (twenty years ago)

I wonder what happened to the goths defending their bar? I mean, defending a bar I can empathize with - living out your little 'OMGKEKEKEKZERGRUSHZOMBIENINJAPIRATEHOLOCAUST', defending the internet against rhe 'hordes' I can't.

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:01 (twenty years ago)

The bar-defending goths were evacuated, I believe.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:02 (twenty years ago)

it sounds a lot like blindness

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:04 (twenty years ago)

I wonder what happened to the goths defending their bar?

their friends called S&R teams for them, and they're now safely out.

Just talked to Mel and she just wanted me to tell you that everyone has left NOLA and they are safe. They will be staying with friends in Nashville then to her family in Nebraska and she will post again soon when she can. She thanks everyone for their concern and well wishes and will talk to everyone soon.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

11:41 P.M. - (AP): After accepting more than 11,000 Hurricane Katrina refugees, officials said the Astrodome was full and began sending buses to other shelters in the Houston area Thursday night.
"We've actually reached capacity for the safety and comfort of the people inside there," American Red Cross spokeswoman Dana Allen said. She said people were "packed pretty tight" on the floor of the Astrodome.
Buses that continued to arrive were being sent on to other shelters in the area and as far away as Huntsville, about an hour north of Houston.
"We're asking that people be patient. Ultimately they are going to be comfortable," Allen said.
The total of 11,375 inside the Astrodome was less than half the estimated 23,000 people who were expected to arrive by bus from New Orleans in Houston.
11:29 P.M. - (AP): Col. Henry Whitehorn, chief of the Louisiana State Police, said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers - many of whom from flooded areas - turning in their badges.
"They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Whitehorn said.
11:08 P.M. - CNN reports that the Astrodome in Houston has shut its doors and will no longer accept refugees.
10:49 P.M. - (AP): Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco declared war on looters as 300 National Guard troops landed in New Orleans fresh from duty in Iraq. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will," she said.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:08 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Interdictor posted this, which strikes me as very interesting reading...

"Bigfoot" is a bar manager and DJ on Bourbon Street, and is a local personality and icon in the city. He is a lifelong resident of the city, born and raised. He rode out the storm itself in the Iberville Projects because he knew he would be above any flood waters. Here is his story as told to me moments ago. I took notes while he talked and then I asked some questions:

Three days ago, police and national guard troops told citizens to head toward the Crescent City Connection Bridge to await transportation out of the area. The citizens trekked over to the Convention Center and waited for the buses which they were told would take them to Houston or Alabama or somewhere else, out of this area.

It's been 3 days, and the buses have yet to appear.

Although obviously he has no exact count, he estimates more than 10,000 people are packed into and around and outside the convention center still waiting for the buses. They had no food, no water, and no medicine for the last three days, until today, when the National Guard drove over the bridge above them, and tossed out supplies over the side crashing down to the ground below. Much of the supplies were destroyed from the drop. Many people tried to catch the supplies to protect them before they hit the ground. Some offered to walk all the way around up the bridge and bring the supplies down, but any attempt to approach the police or national guard resulted in weapons being aimed at them.

There are many infants and elderly people among them, as well as many people who were injured jumping out of windows to escape flood water and the like -- all of them in dire straights.

Any attempt to flag down police results in being told to get away at gunpoint. Hour after hour they watch buses pass by filled with people from other areas. Tensions are very high, and there has been at least one murder and several fights. 8 or 9 dead people have been stored in a freezer in the area, and 2 of these dead people are kids.

The people are so desperate that they're doing anything they can think of to impress the authorities enough to bring some buses. These things include standing in single file lines with the eldery in front, women and children next; sweeping up the area and cleaning the windows and anything else that would show the people are not barbarians.

The buses never stop.

Before the supplies were pitched off the bridge today, people had to break into buildings in the area to try to find food and water for their families. There was not enough. This spurred many families to break into cars to try to escape the city. There was no police response to the auto thefts until the mob reached the rich area -- Saulet Condos -- once they tried to get cars from there... well then the whole swat teams began showing up with rifles pointed. Snipers got on the roof and told people to get back.

He reports that the conditions are horrendous. Heat, mosquitoes and utter misery. The smell, he says, is "horrific."

He says it's the slowest mandatory evacuation ever, and he wants to know why they were told to go to the Convention Center area in the first place; furthermore, he reports that many of them with cell phones have contacts willing to come rescue them, but people are not being allowed through to pick them up.


I have "Bigfoot"'s phone number and will gladly give it to any city or state official who would like to tell him how everything is under control.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

Lookin' at you guys from over here, this looks like some crazy, Great Depression grapes of wrath shit.

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:12 (twenty years ago)

that's another thing; this event will probably cause a massive upsurge in militia/vigilante/"Minutemen" membership, since they can say, "ya see? the police cannot protect us!" etc etc etc.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)

Hell, John Steinbeck's 28 Days Later even.

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)

Great Depression grapes of wrath shit.

well, we have poor people forced out of their homes, packed into cars, and heading west to God Knows What, we have reports dead bodies on the luggage racks on top of automobiles...

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)

Again, as I've said before, I may question Interdictor's motives heavily. But as a battlefield reporter, he's doing an unparalleled job. Especially for a man who hasn't left his shelter in days.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

until today, when the National Guard drove over the bridge above them, and tossed out supplies over the side crashing down to the ground below. Much of the supplies were destroyed from the drop. Many people tried to catch the supplies to protect them before they hit the ground. Some offered to walk all the way around up the bridge and bring the supplies down, but any attempt to approach the police or national guard resulted in weapons being aimed at them.

This makes me so mad I cant see straight. GOD. ARGH. What point all this empty promising from Bushco if it isnt actually happening?

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

There's so much I want to say, but it's all been said before and more eloquently. The shit will hit the fan over this and this Changes Things.

As someone with an American partner and who hopes to become an American himself one day, I hope I can do my part if this happens again.

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:20 (twenty years ago)

I'm suprised there haven't been violent protests over the fumbling already.

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:21 (twenty years ago)

I hate to be a prude, but maybe the man in the wheelchair image could be changed to a link or something? It doesn't seem respectful to the dead in this context.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:24 (twenty years ago)

As i left work 40 minutes ago, a convoy of several dozen school buses were headed southeast on I-10 towards New Orleans.

badgerminor (badgerminor), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:26 (twenty years ago)

I think the point of showing the photograph was to display the lack of respect going on down there.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:27 (twenty years ago)

I'm suprised there haven't been violent protests over the fumbling already.

something's going to happen, and it's gunna be violent. With this happening right as the war is going way it is, something really big and probably really bad is going to happen, and i pray to God that many people won't be hurt and that Something Good will come of it all.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:29 (twenty years ago)

This makes me so mad I cant see straight. GOD. ARGH.

Me too. What use is a National Guard that is afraid of the people it's supposed to be protecting?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:30 (twenty years ago)

You'd hope they'd go the 'impeach' route before storming 1600 Pennsylvania...

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:33 (twenty years ago)

there isn't a chance in hell bush is going to be impeached. he has too many powerful friends.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:34 (twenty years ago)

I agree, if by "powerful friends" you mean "a republican controlled congress."

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)

Give me your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to break free... stick em on a highway overpass and dont mind the shouting, k thxbye.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:40 (twenty years ago)

Right, so what are these elections you have next year? Senate? Can the reps be chucked out then?

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:41 (twenty years ago)

I'm suprised there haven't been violent protests over the fumbling already.

The sheer overlay of people involved here is the reason, Michael. Violently protest specifically against...whom?

If I may -- to all and sundry -- much of the reaction around this reminds me of four years ago in this sense: LOTS of axes are being reground, again. Those predisposed to certain conclusions have made them and in some cases are being incredibly vocal about it.

Personally I think Bush has handled the politics of this situation poorly. At the same time I'm not imagining he's supposed to be going around distributing food and water to everyone personally. But that said, one does wonder quite a bit about what he IS doing, asking after, etc. Frankly, my impressions are underwhelmed.

But it isn't just him -- it's a lot of different organizations, local, state, federal, government, non-government. It is quite obvious that the coordination needed has proven to be a dismal, wretched failure. The point is not to blame it on bureaucracy in and of itself, but on a situation that resulted from lack of care and expectations that things would handle themselves otherwise. Inured, I think, to the idea that Americans would somehow never act 'badly' in a dread situation -- that our purported exceptionalism means we are all somehow equally equipped and caring to help each other out 24/7 with a smile on our face (and the unstated expectation that that's all that's needed in order to help) -- many people are now confronting a different reality and either giving into bitterness (how many random calls of 'that's it, I'm buying a gun' have I read over these past few days? too many) or grasping at straws to score political points.

That said, I do not excuse Bush fully. The serious question I could and would ask Bush right now is this -- "Mr. President, you created a cabinet-level position to help protect against further attacks on this country and its citizens, part of the responsibility being to provide coordination in case of emergency from top to bottom among appropriate bodies. This disaster shows that no such coordination existed, or was and has continued to be handled wretchedly while our fellow citizens die. Why is this so, and why should anyone be assured that this situation could not repeat itself with another catastrophic natural or manmade disaster?"

Claims could be made that it is not Bush's responsibility to provide these answers. Well, frankly, bull -- because it is not Bush's responsibility per se but *the President's* -- and any President who found him or herself in this position, regardless of party or intent, would deserve the same question. On that level, Truman's brittle but pointed slogan of "The buck stops here" applies, fully.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:43 (twenty years ago)

Right, so what are these elections you have next year? Senate? Can the reps be chucked out then?

Theoretically they could. I'm not so optimistic about it given all of the redistricting and crooked voting machines we've been faced with in the last 5 years.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:48 (twenty years ago)

Right, so what are these elections you have next year? Senate? Can the reps be chucked out then?

Some in the Senate(Santorum is a big target, here), and all in the House of Reps.

but perhaps this is better handled on the political thread...

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:49 (twenty years ago)

Well put, Ned, but I can't help but think of all the other periods during the W Bush presidency where people have howled for his blood over blunders and misappropriations and I think, how many more straws before the camel has to use a wheelchair? Bush strumming a guitar, his mushy speech, Condi taking in Spamalot and buying expensive shoes and the fact that FEMA couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery seem to be, while not a knockout punch, a definite sharp right hook.

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:49 (twenty years ago)

again, all we need is a strong, coherent opposition from the opposition party, and we'd have something...

right now, we ain't got much, but this might be the slimmest of basics to start with

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 04:53 (twenty years ago)

I know I've been ragging on Interdictor, but I'm glad he's getting some of this stuff out there.

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Friday, 2 September 2005 05:01 (twenty years ago)

he just reported that authorities are finally removing bodies from the Convention Center...

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 05:04 (twenty years ago)

also, his employer's annotated photos

lots of diesel drums, packages of bottled water, cops in swat gear, etc

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 05:08 (twenty years ago)

this was from the scarborough transcript:

"If you live in the Southeast, you can help out by just packing up, putting water in the back of your truck, coming down here, dropping it, and then getting out of town."

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 2 September 2005 05:20 (twenty years ago)

Some of my co-workers did this on Wednesday. They were able to get as far as Jackson before realizing that any further and they'd be in the way.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 2 September 2005 05:26 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i was seriously considering asking my dad about getting his neighborhood of recent retiree/empty-nesters(located just 8 hours NE of New Orleans) organized. They all have fishing/sporting boats(and shotguns), so just stick them all on trailers, hit up the nearest CostCo for as much water as they can carry, and convoy down to help.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 05:34 (twenty years ago)

that's an excellent idea, kingfish.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 2 September 2005 05:40 (twenty years ago)

they were talking about that on Jerry Springer's show today. It's like,

"The federales are fucked, man. we gotta help. okay, you & your brother have a boat, right? and my cousin is best friends with a bottled water distributor. So here's what we do..."

You know, saving the world, DIY-style.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 05:45 (twenty years ago)

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/09-01-2005/0004098910&EDATE=

"BENTONVILLE, Ark., Sept. 1 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Following President
Bush's announcement today that former Presidents Bush and Clinton will lead a
nationwide fundraising effort to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina, Wal-
Mart President and CEO Lee Scott contacted President Clinton and the White
House and committed $15 million from Wal-Mart to jump-start the effort.
As part of this commitment, Wal-Mart will establish mini-Wal-Mart stores
in areas impacted by the hurricane. Items such as clothing, diapers, baby
wipes, food, formula, toothbrushes, bedding and water will be given out free
of charge to those with a demonstrated need.
Wal-Mart previously donated $2 million in cash to aid emergency relief
efforts and has been collecting contributions at its 3,800 stores and CLUBS,
and through its web sites [www.walmartfacts.com, http://www.walmart.com,
http://www.walmartfoundation.org, http://www.walmartstores.com, http://www.samsclub.com].
Through its Associate Disaster Relief Fund, the company will also give
displaced associates immediate funds for shelter, food, clothing and other
necessities.
Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. operates Wal-Mart Stores, Supercenters, Neighborhood
Markets and SAM'S CLUBS in all fifty states. Internationally, the company
operates in Puerto Rico, Canada, China, Mexico, Brazil, Germany, United
Kingdom, Argentina and South Korea. The company's securities are listed on
the New York and Pacific stock exchanges under the symbol WMT."

Cunga (Cunga), Friday, 2 September 2005 05:47 (twenty years ago)

i had a thought earlier tonight...what would Johnny Cash have thought of all this?

Hell, what does Jimmy Carter think of all this? What Clinton thinks, some already have an idea...

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 06:26 (twenty years ago)

So is Derek Shezbie still trapped in his apartment? Jordan, let me know what you hear this weekend via email (I'm in New York this weekend; [email protected]) and I'll finish an item on the ReBirth show Monday morning. It's really great what you're doing at that site:
http://www.rebirthbrassband.com/messaging/cutecast.pl?forum=1&thread=432

(Sorry I mispelled Phil's name above, it's Frazier.)

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 2 September 2005 06:40 (twenty years ago)


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