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although i have no recollection of doing this - i have apparently viewed all the free content i'm allowed to at FT.

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Friday, 20 November 2009 20:48 (sixteen years ago)

i have too somehow but i swear i've never looked at it in my life

harbl, Friday, 20 November 2009 20:53 (sixteen years ago)

i guess they wouldn't be the Financial Times if they were giving it away for free.

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Friday, 20 November 2009 20:56 (sixteen years ago)

They make so much money because they're run as an ad agency instead of a publishing house; they have been for a long time.

Mr. Shirts, Friday, 20 November 2009 21:02 (sixteen years ago)

The counterculture club
By Tim Bradshaw
Published: November 18 2009 22:35 | Last updated: November 18 2009 22:35

It’s Halloween, and Vice Magazine, a streetwise glossy monthly given away for free in the world’s hippest stores, is throwing a party. Vice throws parties all the time. While media companies around the world limp through another quarter of plummeting advertising revenues and staff cuts, the fact that Vice is blowing $250,000 on a Brooklyn bash for 2,000 readers to celebrate 15 years in print is unusual.

If this seems like a deliberate act of provocation to the rest of the industry, the move would be entirely in character. Yet judged by its output and its income, this former punk newsprint is making a better fist of the transition to international multimedia group than many media organisations. Vice expects to increase revenues across the whole business from $45m in 2008 to $64m in 2009, with earnings before interest, taxation, depreciation and amortisation up from $11.4m to $16.7m.

Every business unit is growing, and this year, profits from VBS, its online video service, and Virtue, its in-house advertising agency, will outstrip those of its magazine, the most mature part of its business, which is expected to increase revenues by a healthy 25 per cent this year by itself.

The Vice empire also includes a record label, book publisher, film studio and even a London pub. It says its magazine distribution network extends to 1.2m people in more than 30 countries. And it has branched out beyond simply creating editorial content into creating advertising material for clients. VBS, for example, is selling its online video productions for advertisers such as Dell, the computer maker, and Vodafone, the mobile telephony group, to mainstream television networks such as Viacom, Time Warner and Sky.

With so many media organisations struggling to cope with the twin challenges of the global downturn and the internet’s role as a disintermediator, it is an impressive record for a magazine that was started in 1994 as a free “zine” in Montreal by three friends who had no publishing experience.

“We didn’t have a business plan or any idea of what we were doing,” says Shane Smith, who co-founded the magazine with Suroosh Alvi and Gavin McInnes. “We just loved magazines and loved making the magazine. And we didn’t have anything else to do, so we kept doing it.”

Vice covers music, fashion and current affairs with a unique, countercultural style and deadpan, sarcastic tone that offends at least as many people as it attracts. The company has always been marked by an anti-establishment approach that has infused its editorial and business approach. Only now, for example, is the company starting to create hierarchies and line managers.

This approach has also meant that they have been confident enough to challenge conventional wisdom and business models. “Anytime we got advice from big publishing people, it was always bad,” says Mr Smith. “We realised these massive companies were just losing money hand over fist.”

But advertisers have been drawn to Vice precisely because of this countercultural attitude combined with its street-style identity, access to the latest trends and influential readership. Indeed, even in the recession, Vice has continued to maintain its premium rates across its range of advertising formats.

“At some point, [we realised] that the kid in Williamsburg listens to the same music as the kid in Shoreditch, Sydney and Stockholm,” says Hosi Simon, general manager of Virtue Worldwide, Vice’s communications and marketing agency.

The company has been careful to nurture this audience by never moving to the newsstand and continues to hand-pick each store that carries copies of its magazine to make sure it reaches the right kind of readers. These are students, hipsters and early adopters, Vice says, with money and influence not just on fashion and culture but broader social issues like the environment and politics.

The company has also been inventive in how it has extended its global reach. When Vice opened offices in Brazil and Mexico, for example, it announced them to the world with nationally themed issues, with the same content translated for every local edition – a cheap source of editorial and great public relations.

But while Vice’s reach is global, it remains targeted at a large niche and advertisers are required to fit with this brand image. For example, it has rejected advertisers, such as footwear giant Sketchers, when they have not fit with its image.

By contrast, one of its biggest long-term clients has been American Apparel, the trendy Los Angeles-based clothing retailer, which buys the back cover on most of its editions. “We’ve been called American Apparel’s Vanity Fair,” says Mr Smith. “There’s a changing of the guard in fashion and a changing of the guard in media. We rode our expansion together.”

Vice believes these relationships distinguish it from, for instance, the ill-fated London freesheets that worked purely on undifferentiated scale.

But Vice is not without its critics. For some media owners, Vice works too closely with advertisers and blurs the lines between the editorial and commercial parts of the business.

“Since day one, we have worked with brands and for brands,” explains an unapologetic Mr Simon. “We are completely transparent in what we do. Never in any of our communications will we find a cheeky way to get one over on our audience. The audience is incredibly sophisticated.”

Having a wide range of options to throw at potential advertisers has also helped it buck the recession.

With Virtue, the business has become a one-stop shop for youth branding. So, at the same time as charging premiums for advertising in its own pages, the company produces video content, photoshoots and other work for less than more established advertising agencies thanks to its network of 4,000 freelance creatives from around the world.

In practice, this means the company is able to leverage almost any opportunity. Don’t want to buy as many pages in the magazine this month? Try sponsoring a special supplement, or take over the homepage at Viceland, the group’s website, instead. And don’t forget about that party at a music festival next month that could use an extra sponsor, which Vice will cover extensively in its next issue. Have you thought about bypassing the advertising slots altogether to make an online film for VBS that shows off your brand? Although most media companies attempt to offer a similar smorgasbord of opportunities, Vice’s willingness to integrate brands directly into its content in a way other media owners would not marks it out.

“Diversification of our media and pushing quality content through it on a global level has played massively for us,” says Mr Alvi. “It’s created a deep engagement with our audience and made a compelling story for brand partners as well, who are signing up platform-wide and doing international buy-ins. It’s a bit better than publishing a magazine in a single territory.”

A key example is Dell, which is working with Virtue to create Motherboard, a new gadget show and channel to be aired on VBS. The show will focus on Dell’s core technology sector, even though it is not in Vice’s core editorial remit. But because the company is able to offer and create “branded content” shows that appeal to its readers, advertisers are willing to pay premium rates.

“There are lots of amazingly creative [ad] agencies out there ... but what they don’t have is a global youth media brand behind them as part of their DNA,” says Mr Simon.

However, not everyone fits seamlessly into this new countercultural order. Mr McInnes left the company last year citing “creative differences”, and recruits to the Vice team have been known to find its working culture impenetrable and not inclusive.

“It’s a totally insane working environment,” admits an unrepentant Mr Smith. “It’s like an incestuous family. It’s a weird culture and we love [it]. Keeping that culture is one of our big challenges going forward, while we are growing so rapidly.”

Next year, for example, Vice will launch new branded content “verticals” or channels in non-core sectors solely at the behest of advertisers, including sports, music and news.

“We can produce better content than is on TV for pennies in the dollar and put it on phones and TV,” says Mr Smith. “Eventually when we get to 25m unique [users] and have all the biggest brands in the world underwriting it, we go to Google and say, ‘If you turn on the jets we’ll be the biggest network in the world and overtake MTV’.”

just sayin, Friday, 20 November 2009 21:09 (sixteen years ago)

eight months pass...

Once known as a freebie magazine by hipsters for hipsters, handed out at Lower East Side record stores, Vice is now a global brand with a stated circulation of 1.2 million, offices in 30 countries and partnerships with CNN and Intel. Mr. Smith is the star of a new MTV news series, now being taped, to be shown in 2011; it will feature him as an on-air correspondent for Vice reporting from global trouble spots like Yemen. As such, Mr. Smith finds himself in a curious dual role. To hard-partying urban readers, he is a voice of a generation of too-cool D.J.’s and artists who wear rolled selvedge jeans and chunky glasses. But he is also a conduit for corporate America to reach that elusive audience.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/08/19/fashion/Z-UP-CLOSE/Z-UP-CLOSE-popup.jpg

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/19/fashion/19upclose.html?ref=style

buzza, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 05:03 (fifteen years ago)

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(I'd also like to say add that putting 'Original Pirate Material' out in the US itself qualifies Vice for the Nobel Prize in pop.)

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not everything is a campfire (ian), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 05:09 (fifteen years ago)

Having a newborn, however, hasn’t drained him of his appetite for fun. Earlier this month, he and Tamyka were out until 11 p.m. on a raucous party boat on the Hudson, where a band called Black Lips was grinding out a concert.

max, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 05:19 (fifteen years ago)

Who was watching babby?

vampire sheriff area 9 (Texas) (admrl), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 05:21 (fifteen years ago)

Oh a night nanny. Never mind, then, all is clearly well

vampire sheriff area 9 (Texas) (admrl), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 05:23 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.viceland.com/blogs/uk-photos/2010/05/04/girls-girls-girls-at-the-old-blue-last/

still drinks canned american beer and listens to bad brains (admrl), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 05:27 (fifteen years ago)

Vice is great because it is a nice convenient example of everything I hate about my generation.

albino python on cocaine (corey), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 05:31 (fifteen years ago)

the sleazy narcissist hard partying vice types kinda bum me out

('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 05:47 (fifteen years ago)

just dont understand how he was able to stay out till 11 pm... on a boat of all places

max, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 06:31 (fifteen years ago)

next thing youll tell me people were drinking alcohol

max, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 06:32 (fifteen years ago)

It's times like these that remind of why I want all hipster cokeheads to die of overdoses.

Jaw dropping, thong dropping monster (kingfish), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 06:34 (fifteen years ago)

In your 40s, he admits, you lose touch with the latest sneakers

:-(

markers, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 06:35 (fifteen years ago)

jeez i stayed out til midnight once at a show by "Black Lips", where's my ny times profile

also he looks like he's scolding billy costigan about his deadbeat drug dealing cousin in that pic.

('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 06:46 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.viceland.com/blogs/uk-photos/2010/05/04/girls-girls-girls-at-the-old-blue-last/

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...what's the relevance of this link? Other than that Viv Albertine is kind of the best person

needle up my cock 'cause I look like GG Allin (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 07:22 (fifteen years ago)

Ha ha these fools think the Old Blue Last is a cool place...what a shithole, what do I care I'm in my 40s

the same relation to machines as that which machines have to man (Matt #2), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 09:27 (fifteen years ago)

what a cheapskate, the babysitter could have made a little more cash if he'd at least lasted til midnight

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 11:31 (fifteen years ago)

The weak and wan aesthetic is nothing new....

i like barbecue ribs (u s steel), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 12:28 (fifteen years ago)

someone offered to "pitch me" to Vice ppl I met a few months ago. but who the hell am I gonna interview?

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 13:22 (fifteen years ago)

He might present himself as a tattooed hustler — the type of ageless slacker who fires off an e-mail to a reporter with the salutation, “Hey, Cap’n Poopy Pants.”

hustler and slacker are opposite types of doods jus fyi style section

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 13:32 (fifteen years ago)

someone offered to "pitch me" to Vice ppl I met a few months ago. but who the hell am I gonna interview?

Werner Herzog? JERRY LEWIS?

Pauly
shore

dell (del), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 14:23 (fifteen years ago)

you could interview a fire hydrant as long as you mention at least 3 of the following: an obscure NY or LA band/coke/trendy hipster vests/masturbation/gay sex/trendy hipster sneakers/minorities/hipster puppies.

oreo speed wiggum (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 14:31 (fifteen years ago)

I've never read Vice Magazine

still drinks canned american beer and listens to bad brains (admrl), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 14:33 (fifteen years ago)

All I know about it is from this classick thread!

still drinks canned american beer and listens to bad brains (admrl), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 14:33 (fifteen years ago)

actually, I got an email about viewing Herzog (not for Vice) last night but was laughably unready!

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 14:37 (fifteen years ago)

As absurd as I realize it is, I really do enjoy reading VICE and have discovered a lot of film/music through it.

Chanté Ackerman (Stevie D), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 16:39 (fifteen years ago)

ive always liked vice. even though ive always imagined the people working for it to be complete cunts. also had to turn a blind eye to all the racist shit they used to spew in their pages too. funny how theyve cleaned their act up now, though i kinda prefer it.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 17:02 (fifteen years ago)

I think the cleanup of racist shit might be because they booted Gavin McInnes who is a Republican?

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 17:48 (fifteen years ago)

they booted Gavin McInnes

wow really?

goole, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 17:50 (fifteen years ago)

im pretty amazed to read how rich that guy has gotten off vice though. they must be the ultimate freesheet/freemag success story.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 17:52 (fifteen years ago)

mcinnes now runs some other site that's trying way too hard

('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 17:55 (fifteen years ago)

the hipster market had been heretofore underserved with tits n racism offerings tailored to it

goole, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 17:56 (fifteen years ago)

oh right that street boners thing. i figured it was all still related.

who or what did the booting?

goole, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 17:56 (fifteen years ago)

ha okay I had no idea, maybe I should look at Vice and see if I still find it disgusting and repellent

How could you forget the crazy hooker? (HI DERE), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 18:27 (fifteen years ago)

vice is much much less repellent since mcinnes departure but

max, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 18:32 (fifteen years ago)

regardless of the rest of the mag, dos and donts will always be classic

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 18:59 (fifteen years ago)

So McInnes left in 2007? I never really read it before then

Chanté Ackerman (Stevie D), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 19:03 (fifteen years ago)

mcannus

buzza, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 19:05 (fifteen years ago)

his m.o. is basically found in this, which is probably linked upthread

http://www.nypress.com/article-6472-vice-rising-corporate-media-woos-magazine-worlds-punks.html

('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 19:05 (fifteen years ago)

oh, lol, it's in the first post from JBR

('_') (omar little), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 19:06 (fifteen years ago)

I guess what's most amazing to me his how little has seemed to change since 2002

Chanté Ackerman (Stevie D), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 19:12 (fifteen years ago)

I mean, granted, I was 14 in 2002 and had no idea that any of this was going on.

Chanté Ackerman (Stevie D), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 19:18 (fifteen years ago)

raucous party boat on the Hudson

sequel to

http://videoexpresslane.com/manage/images/smmovies/moscow-on-the-hudson.jpg

am0n, Tuesday, 17 August 2010 19:42 (fifteen years ago)

I mean, granted, I was 14 in 2002 and had no idea that any of this was going on.

yeah, weird. i remember talking to some girl in 2005 who was almost a decade younger than me, and she was going on about how cool vice magazine was, and at the time i was kind of scratching my head thinking, isn't that kind of played out by now? and she also talked about nirvana in reverent tones, as much as ascribing them the status of the beatles of her generation. but she was also really excited about that pbs scorcese dylan thing that was airing at the time. ah youth. insert hey 19 joke here.

dell (del), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 22:10 (fifteen years ago)

imagine how weird it is for us poor montrealers

the disappearance of apollo creed (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 22:15 (fifteen years ago)

you poor Montrealers.

budget gr8080 (gr8080), Tuesday, 17 August 2010 22:19 (fifteen years ago)


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