The Michael Mann poll

also how can u hate a guy who starred in 2 of the best noir movies of the 80s AND the greatest american procedural of the 2000s

i know i know, i'm just saying he is unpleasant to watch! even if that is the point

i have never watched csi tbqh

mannhunter=best

marg helgenberger ftw

csi is great

he's not meant to be unlikeable in manhunter! he's just supposed to have.. defects. i love him in that film. LOVE him. tell me he's not brilliant in that scene in the supermarket. sensitive too!

in terms of cop show aesthetics csi is to the 00s what miami vice was to the 80s... otherwise the shows arent really at all the same

double tam making want to revist all the mann movies - havent seen mohicans or insider in so long - nice to see you can sb ppl for shit they sd in 2007 tho

generally agree w/ the poll results but i havent seen ali

i appreciate william petersen a lot more now than i did then... he's amazing in to live and die in LA... i think what creeped me out were the scenes where he was supposed to be like, sexy... he was all rubbing his torso and shit... kinda weird

def need to revisit the insider

i'd rank Thief above ali and the keep, though it's pretty crude compared to his later stuff

the keep is so weird, havent seen it in forevs but i have to respect any movie that tries to make scott glenn an action hero

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6joglwxWuo

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seeing william peterson's dick was kinda the most unexpected aspect of to live and die in l.a. tbqf.

'manhunter' is the one i like the least although my memory is too weak to really articulate much - i remember it felt blocky and i guess ponderous - never really crystalized for me i guess.

the unheralded mann that id rep for is 'robbery homicide divsion' which probably doesnt count but is an interesting 'transition' + just a p enjoyable cop show.

yeah i dug robbery homicide division - it didnt last long but it had some cool crappy-looking DV photography and tom sizemore and the jowly black guy - unforch i got into the Wire a few months after it ended and i could never look at it the same again

'manhunter' is kinda dated and the basic premise of this preternaturally gifted detective chasing a serial killer is a little cheesy, but it works for the most part for me because of the acting and the fact that it's fairly creepy. i like the scenes near the beginning w/peterson going through the house, and we never see the bodies nor the killings, just the crime scene. pretty effective. stephen lang in full-on simpering douchebag mode before he started to age into a ripped-up middle age tough guy.

also: stephen lang etc

manhunter has an ill soundtrack, too

i think Manhunter must've been shot on a shitty film stock or something (this was a problem for a lot of 80s movies) because something about the look of it always left me wanting

still like Silence more tbh

silence is better yeah, i think i went back and forth on that for awhile but i saw it again recently and it's this nasty unpleasant movie that's also just really pretty dope and incredibly entertaining.

probably didn't help it in my memory that hopkins ran that character into the ground.

silence is stone cold amazing, am willing to concede my opinion of manhunter is p worthless but i still cant credit ppl who claim its the best harris adaptation

im not even a hopkins fan and am p tired of That Character, but fortunately Silence's dopeness lies in many different areas, such as the Ted Levine area and the Goodbye Horses area

and yeah, just a mega entertaining movie

silence is better than manhunter for sure. i guess manhunter is underrated in non-ilx circles tho.

hopkins gets all the credit but jodie foster just effing crushes it in that movie

and tony heald obv

I likned to this way above, but I do love the fake trailer Mann made for Mercedes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoCLxp2W9xE

i think Manhunter must've been shot on a shitty film stock or something (this was a problem for a lot of 80s movies) because something about the look of it always left me wanting

whoa, tara's alcoholic mom from True Blood is in that mercedes ad!

kind of amazing that del toro hasnt been in a mann movie yet, come to think of it

hopkins gets all the credit but jodie foster just effing crushes it in that movie

feel like hopkins retroactively ruined his performance or maybe it was just martin amis but his scenes w/ foster theyre both completely n/l. foster is amazing throughout tho, agreed

yeah they kill it together, all of their scenes have that crazy psycho/romantic/sexual/etc tension that must have been so stupid in the script but is riveting on screen

I'm sort of surprised at how few of these I've actually seen esp since I love Heat and Collateral. Miami Vice thread making me curious enough that I'm going to watch it tonight. Also Max/Lamp otm re Foster and Hopkins. Watched that again recently and was pretty blown away by just how good they both are together.

Have you seen The Insider, E.? That's my vote for his best.

Nope. I've actually only seen the two I mentioned. Probably gonna be housebound due to snow for the next couple days so might try to squeeze in a couple of these.

I've only seen Heat and Collateral. Heat deserves all the plaudits, while Collateral is somewhere agonisingly between a fun friday-night thriller and a more traditionally 'good' movie. Something like that..

I'm also very intrigued about MV being basically panned on its release, yet resuscitated as this 00s lost classic. There's obviously something to it being the more recent Mann critical consensus rather than Collateral or Public Enemies..

has it really been reappraised anywhere outside ilx tho? was it in many best of decade lists?

Totally....it's high on Slant, Film Comment and possibly a couple of others.

Although Morbius and Eric are bigwigs at Slant, so make of that what you will.

the thing about miami vice is not that it's a bad film, it's just a very unusual one. they sold it like an action movie (of course) and people went in expecting bad boys 3, not some weird existential brooder. i think mann stanns who know his style really get it for the most part, everyone else was flummoxed.

ah, didn't see the film comment list.

i assume the high slant showing is due to morbs putting it at #1.

'weird existential brooder'

-you see, this is the side of the spectrum where Collateral became really interesting. Does MV completely sweep you away like Heat? If i'm into one, would I connect to the other etc etc

manhunter is great you nobbers, this poll is rong

xp Morbius had MV as his no1?? Really? What a taste that man has..

i said it here or on the MV thread but i think mann was trying to do an entire movie of "michael mann moments" if you know what i mean.

yes, miami vice was morbs's #1 and i think master and commander was #2, inception dropped to #3 because of plot holes.

lol

departed and inglorious basterds rounded out the top 5.