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oh dean.

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Sunday, 12 June 2005 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

It's wacky, I tell you. Go to law school for the Pellegrino.

― something about a tarantula coming out of a coconut (deangulberry), Sunday, 12 June 2005 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I might be lawyers, next year.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 12 June 2005 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i hardly studied for the lsat. so.. not long. but if you have a good undergraduate GPA and want to go to a top law school, i recommend taking some sort of course.

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 12 June 2005 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate how you have to choose a country and stick to it, with this, though.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 12 June 2005 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

what is a "good undergraduate GPA"? i don't think i have the dollars to go to Top Law School. also, what if i want to go to law school in canada? can i do that?

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Sunday, 12 June 2005 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

no.

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 12 June 2005 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i had an OK undergrad GPA (3.1), but a decent LSAT (164). the only l-school that i wanted to go to that i didn't get into was NYU -- which didn't surprise me. the "best" l-school that i got into w/ my numbers was Fordham.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 12 June 2005 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Can one do okay at a decent law school on a sixty-hour workweek? Sixty-five?

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 12 June 2005 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Can one do okay at a decent law school on a sixty-hour workweek? Sixty-five?

no.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 12 June 2005 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

ok my gpa is like a 3.54. i want to work in a think tank.

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Sunday, 12 June 2005 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

if you kick ass on the LSATs (basically, get a 170 or better), then i think that you have at least a 50/50 chance of getting into a top law school. maybe not harvard or yale, but possibly somewhere like penn or georgetown.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 13 June 2005 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm in second year law school. my midyear exams (i have four this semester) start tomorrow. all i can say to you right now is RUN WHILE YOU STILL CAN.

― gem (trisk), Monday, 13 June 2005 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.stormscape.com/inspiration/lawfirmlist.php

― something about a tarantula coming out of a coconut (deangulberry), Monday, 13 June 2005 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Gem I feel you, law exams suck.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 13 June 2005 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

your list seems to be missing finkelstein and partners, 1-800-LAW-AMPM, your law firm working for you

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 13 June 2005 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

now that he is out of law school, my husband recommends it for everyone. Maybe he is just mean though.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 13 June 2005 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

yer husband is the total opposite of me, then, teeny -- i would recommend law school for NO-ONE. except people that i hate.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 13 June 2005 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

oh come on, law school is fun!

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 13 June 2005 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

let's learn stuff that has NOTHING to do with being able to practice law!

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 13 June 2005 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"now that he is out of law school, my husband recommends it for everyone. Maybe he is just mean though."

This is like when you run a marathon, and the rush of endorphins that come from the pain having stopped make you feel so good that you erroneously assume it was the running itself that produced this feeling, and suddenly you think, "you know, long distance running is rather good isn't it?" Conveniently forgetting that your thoughts two minutes prior were "fuck shit fuck shit fuck shit fuck shit fuck shit..."

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 13 June 2005 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I seem to have missed this, so are you interested in becoming a lawyer, Tim? I get this image of you arguing cases via a combination of grime white labels and references to Baudrillard.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 June 2005 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i will teach you TEH LAW

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 13 June 2005 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

whatever i said before, probably. big investment. not necessarily (but could be) a good general degree as a matter of substance, but is probably more so as a matter of process. will probably require actually being a lawyer for a few years, if you don't want to be really poor. you should investigate that first. you may find that people in law school suck. you may not. requires a lot of hard work if you want to do respectably. being smart helps a bit, but only a bit. a math background might serve you well in the analytic work, which is a big part of it, but consider that a lot of lawyering work requires good reading, writing, speaking and people skills. it can lead to a rewarding career in which you face a constant stream of problem-solving and semi-intellectual puzzles and competition with language, but all of these things might not be enough if you don't like the actual substance/people/milieu.

have you considered an MPA degree? their utility is more debatable, but they might be more on point for thinktank work. in that world, it helps to specialize narrowly, i would imagine.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 13 June 2005 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Can one do okay at a decent law school on a sixty-hour workweek? Sixty-five?
-- Gravel Puzzleworth (mostlyconnec...), June 13th, 2005.

Are you asking if you can work 60-65 hours a week AND go to law school? Then no, definitelty. Are you asking if 60-65 hours is enough time to put in AT law school per week, I would say it's more than enough. I went to a decent law school, an I would say I averaged about 40 hours a week. You learn to be more efficient as you go. The first year you spend more time, and of course there are times during the semester when you really have to ramp up, but generally, I found that 40-50 hours was plenty. But this was an American law school. ( I also knew people that did night school and worked 50 hours a week and seemed OK, but I wouldn't choose to do that).

My advice to anyone thinking about going to law school: If you are going because you want to be a lawyer, then definitely do it. If you are just going because you are a smart person, and you want a good career, don't go. For people that don't have a strong desire to actually BE a lawyer, I've found that law school, and, even more so, practicing law, are a miserable experience.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Monday, 13 June 2005 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

i reckon i probably spend a good 45-50 hours a week combined classtime/study time. plus i work about 25 hours a week at the moment. i'm pretty much tired all the time and have not much social life. i get quite good marks though and i've made awesome friends here, also i kinda feel like i fit in for the very first time in my entire life (this feels weird but in a good way). my point? ummmm only do it if you really really want to be a lawyer (i do) and are able to make a really good commitment to it. otherwise it will suck balls in the worst kind of way.

― gem (trisk), Monday, 13 June 2005 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha law is nothing like that in Australia. I don't really study except in the month before exams. But law exams are still teh suck - or, wait, maybe it's me!

"I seem to have missed this, so are you interested in becoming a lawyer, Tim? I get this image of you arguing cases via a combination of grime white labels and references to Baudrillard. "

Yeah I haven't really decided yet. Since the beginning of the year I've been working about two and a half days a week in a a managerial paralagal position at a large plaintiff law firm, and this partial step towards, like, a real job has made me more relaxed about doing further postgrad study (in humanities) and just seeing what happens.

I'm not adverse to law, but it's hard to see myself doing it all the time I guess.

It scared me to realise recently that I was in my sixth year of uni - which I went to straight from school. I've been studying forever!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Administrative Law exam on Thursday morning - wish me good luck!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i have my administrative law exam tomorrow so i guess i win. 3 hours, closed book, worth 100%. at uwa. ummm interestingly that is in australia. maybe i'm just not as smart as you. also i'm doing the grad degree which is a heavier load at my uni anyways. this is my 9th year of uni.

― gem (trisk), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha maybe you get better marks than me!! But yeah grad programs are supposed to be harder aren't they (I'd forgotten you were in Oz Gem).

Closed book, that's way harsh. Otherwise, yeah, 3 hours & 100% is where it's at.

Best of luck Gem!! Admin's a bit of a bitch isn't it? Privative clauses, jurisdictional error, procedural fairness, improper purposes...

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah I meant 60/65 of working on law stuff! That's a big relief, thanks.

Lawyers are helpful on this thread!

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

3 hours and a 100% is a bitch. good luck gem & tim!

I can of course gloat because I've finished all my exams but I might get a kick in the rear, near the end of summer if I find out I failed my evidence exam, studying for I ~~forewent, in order to watch "love & death" with alba, ally c, RJG, & beer~~ set about studiously and efficiently.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

what a graceless sentence.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

There are many more in your future.

― something about a tarantula coming out of a coconut (deangulberry), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

haha!

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 13 June 2005 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

it wasn't too bad. my hand is about to fall off i think. and privative clauses and error of law on the face of the record ended up being dot points. but i reckon i probably went ok. it was kind of a relief to have closed book in a way as i didn't get caught up frantically searching through notes for stuff. phew! glad it's over. i have environment law on thursday though, back into it. good luck for yours tim!

― gem (trisk), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

"and privative clauses and error of law on the face of the record ended up being dot points."

I think this is the way it's supposed to be - it's almost always gonna be a bit of a trivial technical point anyway yeah?

Glad it all went okay - snatch an hour to yourself tonight!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah totally, the whole question on jurisdictional error/elfr/privative clauses was only worth 20% of the exam. and i got down the stuff about craig and it only being binding on tribunals bla bla so hopefully it'll be ok. i went straight from the exam to the tav for a beer. now i'd like a snooze, might have to put my head down on my desk like a proper little nerd. hehe.

― gem (trisk), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 05:18 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

does anyone know anything about these places:
u of minnesota
u of washington
george washington
u of wisconsin
boston u
u of michigan
berkeley

i guess i'm taking the exam in early october so i still don't know how smart i am. i also pretty much hate writing application essays.

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

Are you practicing for the LSATs? Taking a class? You should practice a shitload. Seriously. It's like the most important factor, and everyone else will be practicing. Plus you should know in advance how well you think you're going to do to give you an idea of the range of schools you should apply to.

― Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

working on it!

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

they're all good law schools, caitlin! best ones are prob. u. mich. and berkeley (boalt hall).

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

yes, but do they admit MORANS????

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

YES I WORK WITH SOME

― Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

i've told panhandling crackheads in NYC, philadelphia, and newark to "get lost," "go to hell," and to "fuck off." a few of them threatened me and some even charged at me. i'm lucky that i'm alive, i think.
-- Eisbär (llamasfu...), July 29th, 2005

― 2, Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

ok the test is in one week. i thought i'd have more time to study but school is kind of hard right now. it's ok, i just took a practice test and got 165. just 8 more questions right and i get 170. i think i can do that, i just got out of practice on the logic games in the past few weeks. and the people one floor down are listening to kansas or something, very loud.

i'm getting a very good recommendation from a former philosophy professor and she said i MUST apply to NYU. i tried telling her i am not smart enough but she said that's garbage and girls always say they aren't smart enough. hmm ok i think i will make it a mega-reach. oh i also don't have 37k a year or whatever.

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Saturday, 24 September 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

Good luck with it all! You can become a lawyer representing NOIZE interests against the Man.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 September 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

mmm trial

― kurt broder (dr g), Saturday, 24 September 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

Good luck with it all! You can become a lawyer representing NOIZE interests against the Man.

i already do that.

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 24 September 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

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― kurt broder (dr g), Saturday, 24 September 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

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