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(i don't really hate twee or twee people, I just like to wind up FP and Mitya :) )

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

If people can list 10 reasons why jazz should be wiped off, then Kate should do the article on that.

Reason no 1?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

Can I do you a jazz primer so you can get in the mood?

― Ed, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

This is MY article, not yours!

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

I should probably do it on the Dead, because I have actually had more experience of people trying to make me listen to the Dead, but hating Jazz is more comedic.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

otm

― G00blar, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

Oh! I hate Experimental Sound Art, too, but that's just too easy a shot, but oh, the fun of taking swipes at my ex in print.

(though taking swipes at one's ex is childish, mean and bitchy and should not be encouraged.)

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

James was banging on, this weekend, about a 3 man dj crew who play nothing but the dead.

― Ed, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

Slagging off jazz in a rock mag makes it just look like a rock mag that doesn't like anything non-rock.
(which is possibly true, but i'm sure they don't wish to give that impression)

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

He bloody would! OK, that is my 5-year crush on James nipped in the bud right there.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone care about the grateful dead in the UK?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

Well, the funny thing about my jazz hatred is, I love loads of bands that are *heavily* influenced by jazz, from Funkadelic to Hawkwind to Spiritualized - I just hate jazz.

I would honestly rather write about the Dead, because they are one of those bands (hippie, psychedelic, drone, wibble, etc) that I should love. But I just draw the line there. But I'm convinced that someone has already done them. Everyone always says "oh, but the first album is pure garage!" and though there are lots of bands whose first album *is* garage and is quite good (Status Quo - no, really!) - even the first Dead album is BOLLOCKS. And the way that every Dead fan is always convinced that no, really they *can* convert you to be a fan, if they can just dig out that ONE SPECIAL TWENTY MINUTE JAM FROM SOME SHOW IN SOME GODFORSAKEN PART OF CALIFORNIA IN 1973 and yet they can never find the exact one, and keep dragging out tape after tape of toneless, wibbling hippie WANK...

OK, that's half my article written right there.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

x-post

1) Yes
2) Plan B actually has quite a large Merkin circulation

Who else do I really, really HATE?!?!? I can't think.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

Do you like any bands influenced by them too?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, half the West Coast psych scene.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

Sound art?

― Ed, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

Cookie monster vocals?
Macho bands?
Music journos?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

So Kate you actually hate Deadheads more than the actual band?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

No, generally I like deadheads. Except for when they try to make me listen to the Dead. I just HAAATE the Dead.

I mean, the only other thing that I really hate is freaking Ladyfest, but I would never slag that off in print, because of the politics of it. I agree with many of hte principles, just think it's generally poorly executed.

I'm trying to think of stuff Joe used to play that REALLY wound me up but it was only ever soundart and dodgy Oi! bands and I don't know enough to write about the latter.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

Pipettes?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

Though it would be really really REALLY great to get in some digs at two exes of Plan B writers in one go slagging off soundart, and talking about how Joe used to say all art was subconscious self expression and say "yes, exactly, your art is intellectually clever but EMOTIONALLY BANKRUPT."

But no, getting in digs at exes is BAD BAD BAD and I will not perpetuate this.

Anyway, I'm going to go home and have a think about this.

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

How about emokids?
Nighto

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

As much as I dislike the Pipettes, I don't think I would ever slag them off in print - it just looks like a cat fight.

Besides, AMP has already said everything that needs to be said about them - they just reinforce that old aphorism, "men act, women appear."

― Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

The Column I have wanted since Plan B began is mine next month.

Nice. So it rotates around, then?

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

Kate's stolen your column??!!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

I have the new Plan B but i haven't even opened the envelope it came in yet. Anything good in it this month?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Kate's stolen your column??!!

Uh, no? I was just curious.

Anything good in it this month?

My Brilliant Jesu Review. And a bunch of other things. (Good issue all around.)

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Music related - what is the thing you hate most , Ned?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

Who else do I really, really HATE?!?!? I can't think.

Yourself? Just guessing.

― Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

Music related - what is the thing you hate most , Ned?

That's easy -- my time being wasted. All the groups I loathe waste my time.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

Morning!

Well, the funny thing about my jazz hatred is, I love loads of bands that are *heavily* influenced by jazz, from Funkadelic to Hawkwind to Spiritualized - I just hate jazz.

is yr jazz hate evenly distributed between the trad jazz of, say, Chris Barber, to the more innovative stuff by, for example Sun Ra?

I don't care for trad jazz, my parents loved it - I always considered it to be a generational thing.

Mind you, I love the Durutti Column track, "Jazz".

And I like a lot of bands with trumpets e.g. Pigbag and A Certain Ratio.

I don't care for saxophone, ugh! The eighties were spoilt by all the saxophone. Even great tracks like Furniture's "Brilliant Mind" had their greatness severely tempered by it.

I have written a song called "Candle Snuffer" and I am trying to decide if it is any good or not.

― Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 15 March 2007 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

Hello there. Damn, I'm sleepy.

― Forest Pines, Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

me too, was in London yesterday and went out drinking in the Edgware Road area with a couple of mates who used to live in Oxford whom I hadn't seen for ages.

― Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

Sun Ra is not Jazz, Sun Ra transcends your puny earth genres, being from outer space and all.

It's not anyone's column, it floats around each month. They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel if they let me do it! I suspect I only ever get called in when someone else has missed a deadline, because I can write quickly.

This morning, I woke up and thought about it. (Last night I was reading The Modern Antiquarian and trying to decide if I wanted to go to Avebury yet again, or somewhere new like the Rollright Stones.)

I don't have much hatred left in me, maybe that's because of SSRIs and CBT, maybe that's coz I just don't read the music press or listen to the radio or watch TV any more. There were lots of bands I used to HAAATE (the Strokes, the Libertines, the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, the Artic Monkeys and on and on) but these days even they get a shrug and a meh. But then, thinking back about when I really used to HAAAATE them, it wasn't even the band that I hated, but the overhyping of them. So I'm writing about why I hate MUSIC PRESS HYPE.

Anyway, good morning.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

Excellent choice.

― Pashmina, Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

I suspect I only ever get called in when someone else has missed a deadline, because I can write quickly.

doubt it v much - there is a range of v good writers of whom you are one.

Yeah Yeah Yeahs = odd. Saw them at Primavera Sound last year. Karen seemed a troubled soul. It was v obvious that there were some songs which were good and some which were definitely meh and the one person in our party who was sufficiently familiar with their work said the good ones all came from the same album and the poor ones from the succeeding one. We were standing to one side of the stage and noticed Wayne Coyne smiling and nodding approvingly from the wings.

― Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

Sun Ra is not Jazz

Oh yes he is!

― Tom D., Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

Transcends your puny earth genres, you FULE.

TISSP!!! It's 98 BPM!

Today I am mostly wondering why it seems that megalithic monuments and stone circles seem grouped in (fairly obscure) locations - there's a ton all close to one another in Wiltshire, another gang in Cornwall, a whole group on the moors between Manchester and Sheffield.

Is it because as most Fortean/Copey types claim, these areas are "sacred!!!" or something - or is it simply because their sheer inaccessibility meant that they were not dismantled and chopped up and ploughed oer by successive waves of Romans/Anglo-Saxons/Christians etc. etc. and carted off for building stone, like the others which may have formerly been spread more evenly over prehistoric Britain?

Hrrrrmmmm.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

oer = over. I have not gone totally antiquarian just yet.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

At stonehenge, they used to rent out a small hammer sos you could chip off a bit for yourself as a souvenir.

Not within my lifetime, obv...

― Mark G, Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

Waaaahhhhhh...

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g152/Lnachts/420768518_4c500c83ae.jpg

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

Kate's post abt the obscure locations reminds me of something in one of my school books. The word 'anachronism' is being explained. Two ramblers in v 1930s clothing -- trews tucked in socks, tweed jackets, cloth caps -- are seen in the countryside overlooking Stonehenge. One is resting on his gnarled walking stick and pointing and saying to the other "Why did they build it so far from the railway?"

― Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

They aren't/weren't they planning on building the 303 or some other motorway or bypass straight *under* Stonehenge at some point?

Stonehenge seems to be much later (Bronze age) than most megaliths, but still.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

It's the latter, Kate. Well, partly that and partly the geology. Apart from exceptional stuff (ie, Stonehenge), megaliths are generally made from fairly local stone. Hence, few megaliths in areas where the local stone only lasts a couple of thousand years' exposure. In some areas, "megalithic" structures are likely to have been made out of wood - see "Woodhenge" on the Norfolk coast, found a few years ago; and also Tara in Ireland.

There are also few megaliths in areas which have been intensively farmed. We know from historical records that about half of the barrows in Lincolnshire that were still extant 300 or so years ago (or, when antiquarians started to care) have been destroyed by farming.

There *may* have been regional differences in megalith building for other reasons - very localised distribution does crop up with, for example, the Clava group of megalithic tombs near Inverness - but given the widespread distribution of megalithic-type structures in general, it's unlikely that there would have been areas of Britain with no large-scale megalithic-style structures of any of the main types.

― Forest Pines, Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

it depresses me much that I have lived in Oxon for so long yet not visited Rollright.

maybe I should learn to drive and buy a car....argghhhhhhhh! Noooooooo! What am I saying????

― Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

Ohmigod, the Rollright Stones have their own website!

"please do not leave offerings on the stones. Chemical reactions caused by items left causes the stone to wear." - gotta love hippies.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

Stonehenge started off around the same time as everything else, but I think the trilithons are relatively late for megaliths. This is off the top of my head, mind.

The plan to put the A30whatever in a tunnel is still kicking about. The archaeologists were rather upset when the plans changed from a bored tunnel to a cut-and-cover, which would be rather destructive to build.

― Forest Pines, Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:55 (nineteen years ago)

TISSP!!! It's 98 BPM!

Ah! I knew there was something I needed to know missing from yr email!

― tissp, Thursday, 15 March 2007 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

I love that the Rollright Stones website puts the myths and the legends and the "wyrd" stuff ahead of any actual history or archeology. Spirals of energy and dowsing and ley lines, oh my...

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

Now I want to get an OS map and look at all the leylines.

This would make a good car trip, as we could chase the leylines all the way down to the White Horse of Uffington, even though we visited that last year, I would be happy to go again. I'm always up for White Horse Hunting! Or we could hike down the Ridgeway. I think.

I looked up Barbrook circles (From the Sons of TC Lethbridge song) but that is oop norf on teh Moors.

There was another castle/hillfort mentioned though in the Avebury alignment that I'd been to with Joe and his mum. I was good at spotting which ones were ancient and which ones were Norman.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

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