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stet - 512MB. I went up from 256MB to 512MB and didn't really notice that much difference so I'm reluctant to spend money on any more.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

That's because 512MB still isn't enough for Tiger to run well, in my experience.

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

Oh well, it runs OK for me, now.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

256 --> 512 = no difference because both are totally insufficient!

― Euai "jon williams" Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

Is Process Viewer not a good guide then, cause I've never seen the total processes in there add up to anything like 512MB RAM? I expect you're both right and you really need 20Ghz of it to even run TextEdit in Tiger, but I've spent enough upgrading my Mac and I'm happy with it now.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

20GB, I mean, but not really.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - lol TOMBOT!

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 10 August 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

Tom, did you buy the RAM elsewhere than from Mac? They tried to front like it was my RAM last time I went in, and who knows, it could have been a number of things, but that didn't really make sense since I bought it along with my computer and it was installed at the store for me. Then again, they also tried to front like it was because I had folders on desktop god forbid.

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 10 August 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

I actually just ordered the extra RAM when I bought it. sheer laziness. I had two folders on the desktop plus a picture of a man singing "do you want some hot ice cream, i got some in my pocket" and they didn't bat an eye.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 10 August 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

Alba I will simply repeat this chestnut, from an old sysadmin I once knew: "RAM is like money, you can't have too much of it."

Tom how did they know what he was singing?

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

'cause it was in wavy pink block letters superimposed on top of him, you moron.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

we are all jon williams now

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

I think you can have too much money. I'm going to give my RAM to disadvantaged kids.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

i'm running mavis beacon on my macbook pro, and presumably because it was written for an earlier version of os x, it doesn't seem to multitask very well. specifically, it lowers the resolution and takes over the whole screen. however, other programs still run ok in the background, so i can listen to music etc etc while i learn to type - but if i want to change the online radio station i'm listening to i have to quit and restart mavis beacon, which is annoying. is there a way around this?

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 4 September 2006 08:42 (nineteen years ago)

ok, i'm clearly an idiot, but i just spent 10 mins trying to find the former hoonja-doonja thread, and i can't. anyone got a link to it?

also - what's a good (free) rss reader for the mac?

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

safari's got one built in if yr running 10.4

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

NetNewsWIre

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

sorry not free

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/000337.html

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

some mod took hoonja-doonja out the title, if that helps.
bloglines is good for being multi-platform, and it ties into firefox. NetNewsWire Lite is best free standalone

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

everything shrook related is, well, poxyfooling right now, hehe

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

hoonja-doonja thread:
your favorite little computer program (mac version)

― stop moving. (cis), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

NetNewsWire Lite is free. Shrook is, I have to say, better!

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

Is Shrook still the metal-interface mess it was? I remember v1 rocking, then it went metal and shit

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

I have never really forgiven Andrew for removing "hoonja-doonja" from that thread title.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

on a tangent, i fucking hate any big software companies that can't be fucked to write universal versions of their not-remotely-obscure apps, yeah i'm looking at you adobe you fucking cunts

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

to be fair UBs are being produced as part of a complete recoding for CS3 and adobe were pretty swift during all of the other transitions apple have undertaken.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

yeah so by the time the next version comes out they've only had 2 years to prepare

even fucking quark can be bothered! FUCKING QUARK!

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

that is somewhat suprising from the company that took, what was it?, three years to produce an OS X version, but maybe they were smart and recoded using XCode rather than sticking with Codewarrior.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

me too, Jtn.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

it also affects macromedia shite as they're adobe now as well...just as well i got me the educational discount version heh heh

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

Shrook is brushed metal, yes. That doesn't bother me as much as it does most people, seemingly.

On a related note, can anyone recommend a web-based rss reader that works well on crappy old IE5.2 for Mac, such as I am lumbered with at work.

Orijjin.com is quite good, but on IE5 formatting goes a bit screwy.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

what's a good (free) rss reader for the mac?

I like Vienna: http://www.opencommunity.co.uk/vienna2.php

― beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

Alba: Bloglines at http://bloglines.com is ace -- and it'll import your OPML. Or give me a shout if you still want Mozilla.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeh, bloglines also has a firefox plugin which rocks. I've stopped using a separate reader altogether.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't Adobe in deep financial shit, possibly slowing down their CS3 development?

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Why is adobe in deep shit?

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno, I read it somewhere that was talking about Adobe's product cycle. I assume they've taken a big hit from Final Cut Pro and Final Cut Express (and Avid's offerings) in video editing, Apple beat them to the punch on a comprehensive digital photography program, etc.

― milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

thanks for the suggestions - am trying netnewswire lite and bloglines. bloglines seems a little clunky so far, though...

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=ADBE

profit margin of 23% revenue up year on year but earnings down (probaby CS3 development costs)

seems al right to me

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think that Photoshop is to them like Office is to Microsoft...

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Aperture is by no means comprehensive, premiere may be less of an earner by after effects is still widely used and Adobe were talking of returning Premiere to OS X (probably at a price point between FCE and FCS with better after effects integration)

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Also, They have Macromedia director, shockwave, flash and coldfusion to drive earnings forward. They have no vector graphics competition to speak of , PDF is the document interchange standard and Go Live did well whilst Quark had its finger up its arse over OS X compatibility.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

Also Avid killed off the nearest Premiere competitors when they bought Pinnacle.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

Adobe is apparently having similar problems to MS -- there's plenty of cash sloshing about, but getting real movement is near-impossible with nonsense politics and acres of legacy stuff to think about.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

Also: Bloglines does look like shit, but it's actually good to work with. You can click on "all feeds" and see one long page with all your updated entries, which is great for zooming through new stuff.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Adobe products on OS X are going to be at a disadvantage because Apple can tightly integrate with Core Video. Adobe could too but it would be prohibitable to maintain a second code base I think.

OT: Quark is such a fucking joke

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

Quark came to demo us an early beta of 7. It looked really good, with some actual useful features ... but resisting the temptation to just punch the rep in the nose was mighty hard work.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

After a good 2 years of watching real agencies inch towards inDesign, I'm actually now getting the sense that they're ready to jump back on the Quark ship with 7. It's been to hard for most places to switch over to inDesign.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

When I said Go Live up their I meant In design

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

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