A new 30 Rock thread because I can't find the old one

pretty much all the dialogue and most of the shots without jenna ended up in the real broadcast pilot

re: the rule of 3 bit, the most hilarious part was how obscure the first two celebrities were, which put tracy jordan's star into context a little

That guy didn't get to count as a celebrity because of his chatshow and instead because he was once in a queen latifah movie? And the puppet was the third.

haha "jenna attracts gay guys"...just got this

are we cowabunga on this?

haha "jenna attracts gay guys"...just got this

???

the context was frank explaining to lutz & twofer why they should try to go to jenna's halloween party: "Jenna attracts gay guys. Gay guys throw awesome Halloween parties. Hot girls go to awesome Halloween parties"

it's just another riff on the now long-running gag where in the show, jenna is found to be really unattractive by guys

"gay" is the key word there, cf "straight"

hasn't there been a joke about jenna maybe being a guy when she was born or something?

Jenna as the show's Ms. Piggy is startling accurate, but I don't know if Jenna's ever been able to do the bit where Ms Piggy would drop in her "streetwise business-only" voice: "yeah, Morty, whaddaya got?"

re: the rule of 3 bit, the most hilarious part was how obscure the first two celebrities were, which put tracy jordan's star into context a little

― k3vin k., den 31 oktober 2009 21:08 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i'm never sure about his star quality since his movies are said to have made like $5 billion

hahaha yeah that's right

nah, his movies had been flopping for a while before 30 Rock started, it's why he had to take the job on TGS

his vast wealth comes from Dongslayer: The Legend Of Goregasm

and remember, no one on the street seemed to know who he was when he went out to try to talk to 'normal' people.

his vast wealth comes from Dongslayer: The Legend Of Goregasm

― RAPTOBER (sic), Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:48 PM (2 minutes ago)

ohhhh right

"don't look at me like i'm a football game"

Jenna gets the best gays.

Tracy lost the money he made from his films thanks to Grizz's bad investments. That's why he invents the Meat Machine.

"WorldCom, man."

why you gotta be so obsessed with telecommunications?

i definitely got to the sad drunk point last night of being like "that reminds me of 30 rock hahaha! oh wait you don't watch tv. damn." i don't even remember WHAT reminded me of 30 rock.

it's just another riff on the now long-running gag where in the show, jenna is found to be really unattractive by guys

Nonsense, everyone loves Jenna.

lol wait are you being facetious or...

As serious as Who Dat Ninja.

had to rewatch the "i'll eat a bowl of cherries and some ghost meat in his honor" joke a couple times out of sheer admiration last week.

amazing.

i love the weird running "real-life pac-man" joke they have going.. like when jenna was cast as ms. pac-man in the "real-life atari movie"

you shouldn't be amazed, then.

im amazed that something can bring me such delight in this cold grey world.

Something I've realized from rewatching from the beginning (and something that might contribute heavily to the show's high quality): four seasons in, and the status quo has not changed from the first episode. Sure, there have been short-term shake-ups, but everything always returns to normal within a couple of episodes at most. Acquiring a new TGS cast member would actually be the first big change to the show's dynamic. So I kinda wonder whether it's actually going to happen. And I kinda wonder if that lack of change isn't super intentional.

Anyway. I'm hard-pressed to think of another show that hasn't had any significant changes made to its formula by the fourth season.

Josh left!

no he didnt!

anyway, every sitcom ever is the answer. that's the whole deal with sitcoms.

every sitcom ever is the answer.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g208/bakhitah/raven22.jpg

that was after the fourth season.

Didn't Henry and Trapper leave MASH in the fourth season?

(If so, though, you could argue that the show somewhat changed in tone if not direction)

so does sam and diane getting together and breaking up count? what else changed in the first 4 seasons of cheers?

James Mitchell's retort is pretty OTM. By this time, most shows would be throwing in a cute kid or killing someone off, adding new cast members, or having the leads hook up. And then there are shows that just progress organically and change as a matter of course.

xpost

Woody showed up at the start of season 4. And Coach died before that (not the show's fault, obvs).

what else changed in the first 4 seasons of cheers?

Frasier joined cast, Coach died

xpost obv

Trapper and Henry's last ep was the season 3 finale.

different cerie in the pilot too! (sorry if that was mentioned before... with 4600+ posts it's probably time for a new thread.)

sitcoms have definitely gotten more into continuity and long term storylines and character changes in the past 10 years (which is the only reason why 30 Rock's relative stasis seems interesting next to, like, The Office or How I Met Your Mother), but yeah lots of show have had big changes from year to year, whether it's soapy story arcs on Friends or just kids growing up on Roseanne or whatever.

The introduction of David into Roseanne was handled really, really well I think (except for the fact his name was Kevin in the first episode in which he appeared).

In the workplace-sitcom category, Newsradio was similarly static. No changes til Catherine left halfway through the 4th season. Even at the time, it felt like the writers were kinda steadfastly holding against the trends by avoiding any major story arcs/changes.

naw, lisa took dave's job for a while, dave and lisa's relationship was off and on, matthew was fired for a few episodes, etc

i dunno, the matthew fired, lisa the boss storylines were pretty clearly just temporary changes, like jack leaving GE to work in the bush administration. Also both of those didn't come til the fourth season.

sitcoms have definitely gotten more into continuity and long term storylines and character changes in the past 10 years (which is the only reason why 30 Rock's relative stasis seems interesting next to, like, The Office or How I Met Your Mother)

This has definitely improved overall sitcom quality of writing, character depth, and general enjoyment for me personally - but I do think this is also why sitcoms in general have declined hugely in ratings and audience size - it's quite telling the #1 sitcom has been Two and a Half Men for many years now.

even 2 And A Half Men has a good amount of continuity! lot of changing relationships, recurring characters, season-long arcs, etc.