Cameron is playing with other people's money. He is not in sole charge of the project. However he may think of himself, he is a businessman among businessmen. He will always sell his project on the basis of anticipated profits, and his backers will view his inventiveness or lack of it, and not coincidentally set the size of his budget, in terms of anticipated profits.
That is why Cameron's personal goals are only tangentially related to the goal of the movie. An inventive artist who makes money is a Hollywood success story. One who loses money is a loser, pure and simple.
― Aimless, Saturday, 31 October 2009 19:05 (sixteen years ago)
yes and?
― banned, on the run (s1ocki), Saturday, 31 October 2009 19:14 (sixteen years ago)
dont u see the system maaaan
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 31 October 2009 19:16 (sixteen years ago)
and so... "Invention isn't the goal. Making the most money you can is the goal. Telling a story is merely the means to that end"... still stands as correct.
― Aimless, Saturday, 31 October 2009 19:19 (sixteen years ago)
and so the statement stands, another ilx story told in the service of cynical reductionism. THE END
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 31 October 2009 19:25 (sixteen years ago)
so you're saying hollywood designs its products to make money? hmm, never thought of it that way before
― banned, on the run (s1ocki), Saturday, 31 October 2009 19:27 (sixteen years ago)
As a theory for explaining what appears on 99% of movie screens worldwide, it has powerful elucidary qualities which the auteur theory lacks. However, when a simplifying theory comes along which undermines the importance of what critics, fanboys and other groupies all love to chatter about, it meets brutal resistance.
― Aimless, Saturday, 31 October 2009 19:33 (sixteen years ago)
it true, i just brutally suggest bannd u
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 31 October 2009 19:36 (sixteen years ago)
**bows cynically to the right and left, exits stage**
― Aimless, Saturday, 31 October 2009 19:37 (sixteen years ago)
"technologically successful"?
― luol deng (am0n), Saturday, 31 October 2009 19:41 (sixteen years ago)
sweet fx bra
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 31 October 2009 19:45 (sixteen years ago)
oh right if the efx are really cool then we are the dupes. the efx will have duped us into liking a shitty film
― luol deng (am0n), Saturday, 31 October 2009 19:47 (sixteen years ago)
"bows cynically" ?
― luol deng (am0n), Saturday, 31 October 2009 19:48 (sixteen years ago)
yes if the effects are well executed and convincing you are an asshole
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 31 October 2009 19:52 (sixteen years ago)
my entire profession was just undermined brutally and i do not know what to do
― banned, on the run (s1ocki), Saturday, 31 October 2009 20:04 (sixteen years ago)
all critical discourse around movies has been debunked for all time :(
http://4.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kse65vii2Z1qzdv8uo1_400.jpg
Starring The Guy Who Didn't Get To Be James Bond!
― StanM, Saturday, 31 October 2009 20:05 (sixteen years ago)
x-post Um, Cameron has stated specifically that the effects will be groundbreaking, "a game changer." He has not called the script a game changer, or the amount of money the movie will make a game changer. Pretty obvious that if he delivers on the FX front, then the former's deficiencies will be negated and the $$$ will be massive enough to justify the bravado. Whether people will be dressed as these blue things next Halloween is another matter.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 31 October 2009 20:47 (sixteen years ago)
uhh just saw trailer (thx world series!) and this looks like a trailer for halo and the font for the movie's name looks like papyrus.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 2 November 2009 02:58 (sixteen years ago)
seeing the trailer for this on tv while not paying much attention makes it look just like some dippy video game. digital effects very much included. tho obviously my tv is not 3-d.
xpost! haha
― STRATE IN2 DAKRNESS (tipsy mothra), Monday, 2 November 2009 03:15 (sixteen years ago)
Pretty obvious that if he delivers on the FX front, then the former's deficiencies will be negated and the $$$ will be massive enough to justify the bravado
If anything, it'll scrub the memory of Transformers 2 out of our brains.
Ugh, I still hate that fucking Papyrus font.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 09:29 (sixteen years ago)
real talk
― modescalator (blueski), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 11:38 (sixteen years ago)
True fax.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 11:51 (sixteen years ago)
nothing will scrub t2
― banned, on the run (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 14:53 (sixteen years ago)
Saw the trailer at the cinema, blimey, it looks a bit ropey.
― hey it's (jel --), Saturday, 7 November 2009 16:02 (sixteen years ago)
PLAYBOY: We seem to need fantasy icons like Lara Croft and Wonder Woman, despite knowing they mess with our heads.CAMERON: Most of men's problems with women probably have to do with realizing women are real and most of them don't look or act like Vampirella. A big recalibration happens when we're forced to deal with real women, and there's a certain geek population that would much rather deal with fantasy women than real women. Let's face it: Real women are complicated. You can try your whole life and not understand them.PLAYBOY: How much did you get into calibrating your movie heroine's hotness?CAMERON: Right from the beginning I said, "She's got to have tits," even though that makes no sense because her race, the Na'vi, aren't placental mammals. I designed her costumes based on a taparrabo, a loincloth thing worn by Mayan Indians. We go to another planet in this movie, so it would be stupid if she ran around in a Brazilian thong or a fur bikini like Raquel Welch in One Million Years B.C.PLAYBOY: Are her breasts on view?CAMERON: I came up with this free-floating, lion's-mane-like array of feathers, and we strategically lit and angled shots to not draw attention to her breasts, but they're right there. The animation uses a physics-based sim that takes into consideration gravity, air movement and the momentum of her hair, her top. We had a shot in which Neytiri falls into a specific position, and because she is lit by orange firelight, it lights up the nipples. That was good, except we're going for a PG-13 rating, so we wound up having to fix it. We'll have to put it on the special edition DVD; it will be a collector's item. A Neytiri Playboy Centerfold would have been a good idea.PLAYBOY: So you're okay with arousing PG-13 chubbies?CAMERON: If such a thing should happen—and I'm not saying it will—that would be fine.
PLAYBOY: How much did you get into calibrating your movie heroine's hotness?CAMERON: Right from the beginning I said, "She's got to have tits," even though that makes no sense because her race, the Na'vi, aren't placental mammals. I designed her costumes based on a taparrabo, a loincloth thing worn by Mayan Indians. We go to another planet in this movie, so it would be stupid if she ran around in a Brazilian thong or a fur bikini like Raquel Welch in One Million Years B.C.
PLAYBOY: Are her breasts on view?CAMERON: I came up with this free-floating, lion's-mane-like array of feathers, and we strategically lit and angled shots to not draw attention to her breasts, but they're right there. The animation uses a physics-based sim that takes into consideration gravity, air movement and the momentum of her hair, her top. We had a shot in which Neytiri falls into a specific position, and because she is lit by orange firelight, it lights up the nipples. That was good, except we're going for a PG-13 rating, so we wound up having to fix it. We'll have to put it on the special edition DVD; it will be a collector's item. A Neytiri Playboy Centerfold would have been a good idea.
PLAYBOY: So you're okay with arousing PG-13 chubbies?CAMERON: If such a thing should happen—and I'm not saying it will—that would be fine.
― windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic), Thursday, 12 November 2009 22:52 (sixteen years ago)
okay so that is just wrong
― a Barbie-like nub where he provates should be (HI DERE), Thursday, 12 November 2009 22:53 (sixteen years ago)
When did this thread have sex with the Idolator one?
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 November 2009 22:54 (sixteen years ago)
god gross
― goole, Thursday, 12 November 2009 22:54 (sixteen years ago)
We had a shot in which Neytiri falls into a specific position, and because she is lit by orange firelight, it lights up the nipples.
well okay then
― a Barbie-like nub where he provates should be (HI DERE), Thursday, 12 November 2009 22:55 (sixteen years ago)
Guys, this was how Von Sternberg shot Marlene Dietrich.
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 November 2009 22:58 (sixteen years ago)
shot her with light-up nipples
― a Barbie-like nub where he provates should be (HI DERE), Thursday, 12 November 2009 22:59 (sixteen years ago)
Most of men's problems with women probably have to do with realizing women are real and most of them don't look or act like Vampirella. A big recalibration happens when we're forced to deal with real women, and there's a certain geek population that would much rather deal with fantasy women than real women. Right from the beginning I said, "She's got to have tits," even though that makes no sense because her race, the Na'vi, aren't placental mammals.
― goole, Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:05 (sixteen years ago)
<3
― caek, Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:06 (sixteen years ago)
Now imagine the AvaTwilight crossover slashfic. Being made by somebody, somewhere, right now.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:17 (sixteen years ago)
Right from the beginning I said, "She's got to have tits,"
great quote
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:19 (sixteen years ago)
he is amazing.
― If Planes Could Fly This Place Would Be an Airport (s1ocki), Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:22 (sixteen years ago)
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/way/rbp20/vampi_pics/models/terry_leslie1.jpg
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:23 (sixteen years ago)
that makes no sense because her race, the Na'vi, aren't placental mammals.
^^ man, no pill worries or anything
― goole, Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:23 (sixteen years ago)
it makes sense on another planet to be dressed like 12th century mayan but not like a 21st century brazilian
― bitter about emo (Hunt3r), Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:26 (sixteen years ago)
kinda lol mostly sad
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:28 (sixteen years ago)
megalolz at this useless fuckwad's quest for "realism"
― hoth as fuck (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:28 (sixteen years ago)
a non-placental mammal having tits = hey that's okay, but wearing a brazilian thong?!?! THAT'S CRAZY
― hoth as fuck (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:29 (sixteen years ago)
it makes sense to be a tall blue person
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:29 (sixteen years ago)
megalolz at everything to do with this film.
― mu-mu (Pashmina), Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:32 (sixteen years ago)
I think I want this to be a huge embarrassment now. Except it will still rake in the cash.
― George Mucus (ledge), Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:43 (sixteen years ago)
i saw on the quidities thread that he watches cgi blue alien mayan-style pr0n on his iphone in public
― bitter about emo (Hunt3r), Friday, 13 November 2009 00:02 (sixteen years ago)
i am actually doing that right now
― lots of jerks (gbx), Friday, 13 November 2009 00:04 (sixteen years ago)
http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/images/2007/07/27/ekk4.jpg
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 13 November 2009 00:58 (sixteen years ago)
"chubbies"
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 13 November 2009 00:59 (sixteen years ago)