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Who will help me with my lovely Tiger query? What exactly is the point of Tiger? Is it generally thought to slow down machines of my spec? I only installed it so that I could use Google Earth and then I found out Google had released a version that works on 10.3 anyway.

(btw. I don't get Mr Que's whinge/whine thing. They are different words. Dogs don't whinge, for example. Am I missing some joke?)

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone really miss not being able to have more than two apps open at the same time

Wha'? I (have to) use OS 9 at work and usually have about five apps open at once. Not that I'm sticking up for OS 9. It's rubbish.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

i use itunes and iphoto. garageband very occasionally if i need incidental music for a video fast. imovie very very occasionally cuz some of its effects are easier & faster than after effects.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

idvd i don't get near. it sucks.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

(also if there's a good iphoto alternative i'm all into hearing about it)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Alba, I'm running a Quicksilver G4 which has been hot-rodded to be 1.42 Ghz (thank you, Sonnet Technologies), with 1.5 RAM (Logic Pro and Pro Tools are RAM hogs). I'm running Tiger 10.4.6, which does indeed seem a little zippier than Panther. It might be worth rolling back to 10.4.6 (a pain in the bum, I realize) - I purposely haven't upgraded to 10.4.7 because some of my fellow audio nerds told me they were experiencing weirdness.

My experiences with OS 9 were primarily music-related, and I found that if I was running Logic Audio and Pro Tools LE, then even booting a relatively "small" app like Roxio Toast was just asking for a freezeup. Pretty much everyone I knew who made music with OS 9 had similar problems.

As far as the whole whinging vs. whining thing goes, they are clearly different words to me, too. Don't know what Mr. Que was driving at there.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

I use just about everything in iLife. iMovie when I just want to capture some video and don't want to bother with FinalCut.

Hell, I even use Pages when I have a Word file to convert. Otherwise, it's BBEdit for writing or InDesign when I need to process words.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

*running Logic Audio ~~and~~ OR Pro Tools LE*

Oops.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

What's the best way to roll back to 10.4.6? Do I have to reinstall Tiger and then find the combo upgrade to 10.4.6 somewhere?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

Sadly, yes, although the 10.4.6 Combo Upgrade is still on the Apple site:

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx1046comboforppc.html

A "rollback" option would be sweet, wouldn't it?

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

"flair"

alba, tiger has "spotlight" which is still a little too slow but is cool cos it indexes like everything on your hard drive including mail, address book, the contents of word docs, etc - i like it a lot

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I guess there is that. I haven't used it much so far. I used to use the Search thing on previous OS X versions that did the same thing but not as well (and if I needed to search Mail I used Mail's search). I don't often need to search for things on my HD. I guess if I rely on Spotlight then I might start using my computer differently and use it more. Dunno.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

"flair"

God damn it, you're right.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

A "rollback" option would be sweet, wouldn't it?

can "time machine" do that??

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

The word "whinge" doesn't really exist in most of north america, or at least isn't used at all. I've never heard it in my life.

I'm guilty of iPhoto use, mostly to batch unload photos before uploading to flickr. iTunes as well, although the rest of the iLife stuff I barely touch. I have no idea what people have against Dashboard though, I've only ever had one widget that ate memory and even know a few people who use konfabulator on their pcs for a similar deal...

Conflating Spotlight and Quicksilver is kind of dumb when you're talking about a full-filesystem search versus whatever you have Quicksilver set to index. QS works great if I know what I'm running, Spotlight is nice if I'm just searching for a file.

― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

The overarching point of my argument is that Apple is headed in a shitty direction, putting a LOT of effort into weird, proprietary "idiotproof" (the i's hidden meaning revealed!) toy apps, and if build quality/ "it just works" goes away there's nothing here to make me stick around. Doctorow + Pilgrim have made some very convincing arguments for OSS, esp. on Ubuntu - problem being Ableton doesn't run on any of that crap.

Faulty RAM stick finally replaced, I have eschewed Mail, Dashboard, and a host of other worthless garbage from my Applications folder and used Spotlight (ahoy!) to find and destroy their families. Now to download this Cog business, and Transmission, and Fugu all over again, and get to business.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

I've started using iView MediaPro as an alternative to iPhoto (which I've never really liked/used). Mainly because it lets you easily keyword photos with EXIF tags that are then embedded and yours forever, rather than just letting Flickr keep the data. This can then be used in concert with PictureSync for uploading to Flickr.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

(For those keeping score, Canada != "most of North America", so mike's US-centric argument is factually correct.)

(When ILX goes away, won't you miss me doing annoying shit like this the most?)

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

Aw.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

Alba i think what I mean with spotlight is that it saves the step of clicking on your application and then doing whatever search you're gonna do or whatever. I use it to launch programs that aren't in my Dock, for instance. Much faster than clicking onto Finder, selecting Application menu, scrolling, double-clicking.. I know there are other apps that launch programs, but the exact same interface can be used to search mail, addresses, etc. Just start typing a few letters and the shit comes up. So to speak.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

I like not having to type anything at all to launch an app, so Thee Method is to drop the Applications folder into the Dock and control-click on it there to turn it into a contextual menu. Even apps nested in folders with support documentation can be gotten at to launch.

― Whitman Mayonnaise (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

yeah. my point is though that you can't use that exact same interface (control-clicking on the dock) to bring up address info, emails, etc. - i am dumm and need ONE thing for EVERYTHING. once i considered writing every single piece of text in a Eudora "new message" window. i thought it might give everything i wrote intimacy and zing.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

Much faster than clicking onto Finder, selecting Application menu, scrolling, double-clicking

I put a shortcut to my Applications folder in my dock, then rightclick on it to get access to them all. But yeah, Spotlight's OK.

Anyway, I've gone back to 10.4.0 and all is dandy. Snappy, even. I've got Azureus running in the background and I'd not even noticed. I'll see how it goes and if some app needs a later version and I'm feeling reckless I'll try out the 10.4.6 combo update.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

Alba how much memory does yr emac have?

― stet (stet), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

Thee Method is to drop the Applications folder into the Dock and control-click on it there to turn it into a contextual menu

http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/Tips/images/startmenu.gif

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

stet - 512MB. I went up from 256MB to 512MB and didn't really notice that much difference so I'm reluctant to spend money on any more.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

That's because 512MB still isn't enough for Tiger to run well, in my experience.

― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

Oh well, it runs OK for me, now.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

256 --> 512 = no difference because both are totally insufficient!

― Euai "jon williams" Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

Is Process Viewer not a good guide then, cause I've never seen the total processes in there add up to anything like 512MB RAM? I expect you're both right and you really need 20Ghz of it to even run TextEdit in Tiger, but I've spent enough upgrading my Mac and I'm happy with it now.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

20GB, I mean, but not really.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - lol TOMBOT!

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 10 August 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

Tom, did you buy the RAM elsewhere than from Mac? They tried to front like it was my RAM last time I went in, and who knows, it could have been a number of things, but that didn't really make sense since I bought it along with my computer and it was installed at the store for me. Then again, they also tried to front like it was because I had folders on desktop god forbid.

― Mary (Mary), Thursday, 10 August 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

I actually just ordered the extra RAM when I bought it. sheer laziness. I had two folders on the desktop plus a picture of a man singing "do you want some hot ice cream, i got some in my pocket" and they didn't bat an eye.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 10 August 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

Alba I will simply repeat this chestnut, from an old sysadmin I once knew: "RAM is like money, you can't have too much of it."

Tom how did they know what he was singing?

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

'cause it was in wavy pink block letters superimposed on top of him, you moron.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

we are all jon williams now

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

I think you can have too much money. I'm going to give my RAM to disadvantaged kids.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

i'm running mavis beacon on my macbook pro, and presumably because it was written for an earlier version of os x, it doesn't seem to multitask very well. specifically, it lowers the resolution and takes over the whole screen. however, other programs still run ok in the background, so i can listen to music etc etc while i learn to type - but if i want to change the online radio station i'm listening to i have to quit and restart mavis beacon, which is annoying. is there a way around this?

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 4 September 2006 08:42 (nineteen years ago)

ok, i'm clearly an idiot, but i just spent 10 mins trying to find the former hoonja-doonja thread, and i can't. anyone got a link to it?

also - what's a good (free) rss reader for the mac?

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

safari's got one built in if yr running 10.4

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

NetNewsWIre

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

sorry not free

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/000337.html

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

some mod took hoonja-doonja out the title, if that helps.
bloglines is good for being multi-platform, and it ties into firefox. NetNewsWire Lite is best free standalone

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

everything shrook related is, well, poxyfooling right now, hehe

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

hoonja-doonja thread:
your favorite little computer program (mac version)

― stop moving. (cis), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

NetNewsWire Lite is free. Shrook is, I have to say, better!

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

Is Shrook still the metal-interface mess it was? I remember v1 rocking, then it went metal and shit

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

I have never really forgiven Andrew for removing "hoonja-doonja" from that thread title.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

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