Yeah, I feel bad for Holmes. Not too bad, because he seems genuinely content with his own life, but he really deserves more respect.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 04:44 (fourteen years ago) link
seriously the guys is rich and all but he has SO MANY bankrupt buildings & general shitstormery in his past - kinda wish they wouldn't let it slide
what a d bag
― u madoff (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:53 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i mean yes he inherited a ton of money and then pissed it away because he's dumber than a fucking headless chicken. he's making burt reynolds look like a reasonable, charming man.
can you imagine if football was still on in the spring? i would watch the shit out of this, even if it was modern doug flutie playing with modern hershall walker!
― everyone kills people (the schef (adam schefter ha ha)), Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:56 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
loving u guys for this - its like some sort of media secret that trump inherited all his money and is not close to being a billionaire or whatever bullshit he claims - it should lead every story sbt him DONALD TRUMP, WHO INHERITED ALL HIS MONEY AND IS A SHITTY BUSINESSMAN NOT WORTH NEARLY WHAT HE CLAIMS, SAID...
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 05:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Without Bias sure to be equally frustrating and sad.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 November 2009 02:02 (fourteen years ago) link
yea, candidness of brian tribble is welcome but ruff
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 01:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Tribble just seems like that guy... the one who gets everyone around him into trouble.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 02:00 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm def watching this one tomorrow
― a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 02:17 (fourteen years ago) link
i saw the usfl one and was reminded that my dad took me to a generals/federals game @ rfk once lol
― luol deng (am0n), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link
just tivo whole seriesed this
― I AM NOT ONE TO PURSUE GAME, MY FRIEND - NO, INDEED. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link
I was not as blown away by the Len Bias one yesterday for most of it, since it seemed so hyperbolic in discussing how good a player he was, and how huge the impact of his death was--although I did like that they addressed that with the Wilbon talking head about how, even though older people and younger people don't really understand it, to people of a certain age (and probably of a certain region of the country), it was a giant world-stopping event. But yeah, I'm too young to remember it, so it was really hard not to be like, "Really? You're putting it with JFK and 9/11?"
But then that clip where they interviewed his father after Jay Bias was murdered, and his father used Len's name instead of Jay's, then caught himself and couldn't continue the interview...that was just devastating. It might be the image that sticks with me the most out of all of these docs so far.
― C-L, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link
I was 12 when Len Bias died and didn't even follow basketball, but I remember the news coverage of his death and all the controversy that followed crystal clear.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link
same here; there was a science times weekly tabloid that they gave out to all the kids that had a cover story on bias and the PLAGUE OF DRUGS
― I AM NOT ONE TO PURSUE GAME, MY FRIEND - NO, INDEED. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link
My husband doesn't follow basketball at all and he remembered Bias' death vividly. I hadn't heard of him, but I didn't follow sport til later in life (and grew up on the other side of the globe). But I found it pretty fascinating, and so sad. His mom, wow what a rock. And the footage of his actual playing was no joke. Great episode. It didn't overdo the message, because 'the message' is just so clear in Bias' story, it tells itself.
The Ali/Holmes episode was great too. Again, not having followed sports much til the last 10 years or so, and being quite young when a lot of this 80's stuff was happening, I'm learning so much from this series. Looking forward to the Jimmy The Greek episode next week.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Thursday, 5 November 2009 05:10 (fourteen years ago) link
i actually had no idea who jimmy the greek was until tonight--dude was before my time. but that was a sad fucken story.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 02:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I remember the statements that got him fired, but I wasn't watching The NFL Today yet at that age.
Phyllis George = hot.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 02:09 (fourteen years ago) link
are these available to watch online?
the other day the tv guide said that they were going to be playing the bias one but they let horse racing coverage bleed into it
― nog right (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 02:42 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't think they're online but they're repeating them a lot on 2 and classic
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 02:51 (fourteen years ago) link
caught the last half of jimmy the greek one, probably the best one yet :(
― luol deng (am0n), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 03:29 (fourteen years ago) link
I could've done without the Jimmy-as-narrator angle.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 03:33 (fourteen years ago) link
totally, that was weird
― luol deng (am0n), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 03:34 (fourteen years ago) link
not a great decision but i'll let it slide
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 03:35 (fourteen years ago) link
I was hoping this would be back tomorrow night, but it doesn't return until Sunday night 12/12. That's the bad news. The good news is that it returns with "The U."
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 30 November 2009 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link
I found Jimmy The Greek really interesting...I really didn't know much about that story at all. But as mentioned upthread, the Jimmy narration and weird 're-enactment/blurry Jimmy' scenes were way too much cheese. Reminded me of History Channel's penchant for re-enactments of everything. BLEUCH.
Favorite so far has been the Len Bias story. Damn that was sad.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 01:02 (fourteen years ago) link
oh man The U is gonna be sweet.
― Mountain Dewm (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link
just saw the ad. will watch The U if there's that much miami bass music in it. sweet!
― special teams consultant, washington football redskins (daria-g), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 01:28 (fourteen years ago) link
i cannot WAIT for the U tho i really wish it didn't premiere on the weekend.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 02:04 (fourteen years ago) link
the u was a good one
― too shart (am0n), Sunday, 13 December 2009 03:58 (fourteen years ago) link
I didn't know it was going to be 2 hours. It was really good, though. I love that about 90% of the things you can't do in college ball now are because of Miami.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 13 December 2009 04:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Bernie Kosar is lookin' rough these days.
― real bears playing hockey (polyphonic), Sunday, 13 December 2009 07:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Man, this one is really awesome.
― real bears playing hockey (polyphonic), Sunday, 13 December 2009 07:48 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean, if the plan was to get me to fall desperately in love with the Miami Hurricanes, mission accomplished.
― real bears playing hockey (polyphonic), Sunday, 13 December 2009 08:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Did you guys see Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) in the Texas/Miami victory celebrations? Totally forgot he played there.
and LOL at that line about running up the score: "It's football, it ain't badminton"
― VegemiteGrrrl, Sunday, 13 December 2009 08:40 (fourteen years ago) link
And yeah...definitely an awesome episode. It felt more like a complete 'documentary', compared to some of the others. It's unbelievable the amount of players that come out of there when you sit down and look at the list.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Sunday, 13 December 2009 08:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Did you guys see Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) in the Texas/Miami victory celebrations?
Yeah, I paused and rewound because I thought I'd seen him. I never knew he played there until now.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 13 December 2009 11:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Miami used to be in the Big East and always kicked our asses with impunity. I remember a game in 2003 when Miami had both Clinton Portis and Frank Gore in the same backfield; the final score was something like 45 to 3. It was hard to love the Canes on that day, but in retrospect what a collection of talent. Those dudes invented the modern college game.
― It's Favre O'Clock Somewhere!!! (leavethecapital), Sunday, 13 December 2009 14:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Portis was already in Denver in 2003.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 13 December 2009 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link
It was pretty magical. I was an undergraduate at U.M. from 1986 -- 1990. The football team lost two, maybe three, games during the regular season in the four years I was there.
Sad I missed the documentary.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 13 December 2009 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link
loved schnellenberger purposely leaving his pipe @ most-prized recruits houses
young jimmy johnson sounds & has a lot of the mannerisms of coach taylor in FNL
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 13 December 2009 16:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Watching that kind of makes me sad to see Jimmy trapped behind a desk at Fox on Sunday mornings. I don't know that he needs to go back into the NFL, but I'd love to have him take over another college team.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 13 December 2009 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't think he has any interest in coaching anywhere, at any level.
He is an all-time great coach, but he's apparently v. happy in retirement.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 13 December 2009 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Daniel, it's going to play two more times:
* The U by Billy Corben * Sunday Dec 20 * 12am ESPN 2
* The U by Billy Corben * Sunday Dec 27 * 1pm ESPN
― real bears playing hockey (polyphonic), Sunday, 13 December 2009 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 13 December 2009 15:49 (6 hours ago)
Johnny's right, make that 2001. I think the Canes had Jeremy Shockey in 2001 too.
― It's Favre O'Clock Somewhere!!! (leavethecapital), Sunday, 13 December 2009 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Thanks, Michael. I'm on it.
We're going to have a very good team next year, but I miss the days when we routinely stomped Top 10 teams into the dirt.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 13 December 2009 23:22 (fourteen years ago) link
― VegemiteGrrrl, Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:40 AM
yesss, also loved the stories about them fuckin w/ ~the boz~
― too shart (am0n), Monday, 14 December 2009 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link
the stories about them fuckin w/ ~the boz~
^^ fave bit of the whole thing!
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 14 December 2009 00:32 (fourteen years ago) link
dunno if anyone knows but did the UM baseball program become as good thru similar recruiting methods? or was it just cuz UM football made all other sports programs better, etc? or neither?
― johnny crunch, Monday, 14 December 2009 00:35 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't follow baseball, but especially not college baseball. zzzzzzzzzz
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 14 December 2009 00:54 (fourteen years ago) link
i feel like sarge might know how long til hes back
― johnny crunch, Monday, 14 December 2009 01:32 (fourteen years ago) link
oh did he get sb'd out? ffs.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 14 December 2009 01:38 (fourteen years ago) link
I think the baseball team became good-to-great at an earlier stage than the football team. A stretch of Ponce de Leon Blvd. was renamed Ron Fraiser Way when I was an undergraduate (or shortly thereafter), giving you some idea of when the baseball team began winning and/or competing for championships. I never heard about discipline or recruiting problems involving the baseball team.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 14 December 2009 01:42 (fourteen years ago) link
(Ponce de Leon Blvd. is the street that runs in front of the main U.M. campus).
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 14 December 2009 01:43 (fourteen years ago) link
laettner one tonight was pretty good. i'm not even sure a player like him could exist in the internet age.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 16 March 2015 02:51 (nine years ago) link
So many good memories watching it tonight.
― Jeff, Monday, 16 March 2015 02:56 (nine years ago) link
dvr'd it, looking forward to watching
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 March 2015 03:32 (nine years ago) link
p amazing & ahead of its time trolling by Christian w/ the whole pretending to be gay w/ brian davis
― johnny crunch, Monday, 16 March 2015 11:17 (nine years ago) link
i loooooved Laettner
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 March 2015 11:23 (nine years ago) link
hated him, but UNC fans honestly hated Bobby Hurley more at the time.
Laetner has always been an asshole, he enjoyed playing the role as much as anyone ever has. Great episode too.
― Robert Earl Hughes (dandydonweiner), Monday, 16 March 2015 22:06 (nine years ago) link
i'm not even sure a player like him could exist in the internet age.
ok, plz explain to the old man what the HELL this means
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 02:07 (nine years ago) link
i just love how much laettner leans into his assholishness. it makes him even more hateable because he's so blasé, but the fact that he knows THAT too...he's got it down to an artform, like he's made of douche. as a wrestling fan you just gotta love a heel as meticulously honed as he is
and goddamn he was cute. that made it so much worse lol
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 02:12 (nine years ago) link
morbs i was exaggerating but i just cannot imagine the amount of thinkpieces and social media volume a white, good-looking, arrogant, dirty, skilled basketball player whose love of being the villain bordered on the perverse would generate.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 02:36 (nine years ago) link
now will always be someone else's simpler timehttp://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/nodding_clint_eastwood.gif
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 03:08 (nine years ago) link
nd coach gerry faust looks exactly like george c scott
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 11 December 2016 22:13 (seven years ago) link
not a 30 for 30 but the Lawrence Phillips doc on showtime fits the bill. very tragic, the letters he writes from prison def show his intelligence
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:54 (seven years ago) link
Watched the LMU/Westhead/Gathers "Guru of Go" again last night, such an amazing story. Feel like if Moneyball could be made into a film, then this whole saga could be adapted for the big screen.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 18:21 (five years ago) link
Anyone else watch pt1 of Vick yet? Aired Thurs, part 2 up next week. Pretty good so far.sidebar: I had NO idea about this:
Chris weinke playing college football at 27 will never not be funny #30For30 #Vick pic.twitter.com/2NwZVrjKWQ— craw (@notthefakesteve) January 31, 2020
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 February 2020 16:42 (four years ago) link
However: They didnt cover this in the doc & i still want to know if it’s really true
Vick is right handed. But throws left. Cuz the kids in his neighborhood made him throw left cuz that was the only way he wasnt unfair.— Beyonce has an uncle named Larry Beyince. Bruh.... (@DragonflyJonez) November 9, 2014
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 February 2020 16:46 (four years ago) link
Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2020 season is nominated in the 2020 ILX TV poll:
ILX's Best Television of 2020 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends After January 29, 2021
If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (3 minimum, 25 maximum, ranked by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail. It'll take five minutes; get to it!
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 January 2021 19:43 (three years ago) link
You know, funny you should bring this thread up -- earlier this morning I was all "Am I wrong? Was he in that one episode?" So I rewatched Broke, from 2012, and:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/RbfL78RT3_tuj4OkIbxAxsM3LkwfYul6fxhSgHcS6uAQn3YJ0f4c2PE1LvDnl12AfteMLHCuWGVnVdx68mEef_xvV8R9H6PBqnrEz2DgDFtcVExHurBx-UYITrs8phvZwA
And if you don't recognize him, google Ed Butowsky, then google Seth Rich. And I thought having Curt Schilling in this episode was the guy whose profile tanked the worst after this!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 January 2021 19:52 (three years ago) link
Sounds like Disney is breaking out the Moff Tarkin tech for this one
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/2/5/22267485/al-davis-pete-rozelle-deepfakes-30-for-30
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 6 February 2021 17:45 (three years ago) link
i watched itthe deepfakes were terribleso bad. whoever did the pete rozelle voice sounded like Andy Richter. It was uncanny valley hall of presidents crossed with Salvatore Leone from GTA Liberty City. Weird. Bad. Those bits felt like I was watching, idk, a Doritos Superbowl commercial. Like “let’s waste a bunch of money to badly execute an empty gimmick”
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 February 2021 18:34 (three years ago) link
i saw of miracles and men last night. it's probably the best documentary i've ever seen in my entire life. definitely a must-watch for all hockey fans.
i haven't seen a lot of 30 for 30 documentaries, so i don't know how it compares to the rest. but in terms of other, non-30 for 30 documentaries, it's better than russian five. i'll probably watch red army later.
i'm also excited to watch into the wind. it's a little trite to say as a canadian, but terry fox has been an inspiration to me my entire life.
― Punster McPunisher, Friday, 3 September 2021 19:24 (two years ago) link
“Once Upon A Time In Queens” four-parter about the 86 Mets is up now on ESPN as an outsider it’s pretty great.i dont have much of a frame of reference for the Mets except the stuff i’ve gleaned from Morbs, Jon Stewart & the Simpsons, & other bits and pieces that i’ve tangentially absorbed, so its been cool piecing it all togetherthe music is really good
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 September 2021 01:31 (two years ago) link
Would watch that for sure--just bought an oral history of the '86 team.
― clemenza, Friday, 17 September 2021 01:40 (two years ago) link
All the current Keith Hernandez interview of himchilling at home with his cat was such a great flex
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 September 2021 03:45 (two years ago) link
i give schiraldi credit for participating, wouldve liked to hear from more red sox; also maybe some broadcasters? like could they not get costas who was in those nbc dugout shots when prepping for the sox celebration
overall it was p solid
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 19 September 2021 17:48 (two years ago) link
NOT including Costas was a blessing imo but thats just me
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 September 2021 18:09 (two years ago) link
Loved the mid 80s Mets, finally got around to watching this today. In some ways, this probably could've been shrunk to three episodes instead of four, but also feel like it could've gone far more in-depth than it did even with four hours to fill. Still hate Dykstra.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 20 September 2021 00:22 (two years ago) link
the wrap-up-everything ending, post series, felt a little whiplash-y to me as a newbie
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 September 2021 01:23 (two years ago) link