2008 Primaries Thread 3: The Rejecting and Denouncening

think the next 10 years or so are gonna be more important than the last 20, and that bad governments now will cause a huge amount of suffering.

Devolution, baby. Things always get worse. Always expect the worst.

I'm not being cynical. Stop watching cable news and the polls. It's only fucking March.

Yeah I forget wasn't Super Tuesday like three weeks ago

What depresses me more than anything, though, is that regardless of who wins the nom, the most rabid supporters of both are already prepared to blame the loss on "nominating the wrong candidate"

what loss come on everyone we gonna crush that old man!

dont be mean to morbs joe

haw

dag

lol

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/16468/original.jpg

when does mehgan maccain sextape release date?

http://i27.tinypic.com/9zwtq9.jpg

wtf ralphie

McCain is going to win the GE and history is going to blame Hillary for giving the presidency to the Republicans.

v interesting re Edwards

which of them does it say more about? I'm guessing Edwards, but what it says about Obama is far more relevant.

doesn't look very complimentary on its face, but there is a stick-to-your-guns thing about it

Why was it that Kerry disliked Edwards, again?

I think Obama's right about not mandating coverage, there has to be a better way to do it.

edwards is a fake.

still, in context, the question should be 'why hasn't edwards endorsed clinton?'

i mean, if she impressed him twice, and obama goes to his house and starts bickering with elizabeth...

according to thepage the rumor is that elizabeth hates clinton

Let's hope this is just talk: HRC Vows To Take Her Campaign To The Convention, regardless of what happens between now and then in terms of primaries, pledged delegates and super-delegates. As Josh Marshall says, this means she'll base her claim at the Convention -- if need be -- solely on seating the non-sanctioned Florida and Michigan delegates.

won't happen, unless she's willing to be the pariah of the party, and all to extend her candidacy by a month or so.

Maybe she thinks Joe Leeeeeb needs company

"All of those people who voted for senator Obama during the primaries simply misvoted - it happens, you know. They vote for a lot of things - a million things a year - so if they misvoted, that was just a misvotement.’"

Good Lord this thread is already over 1K in posts

It won't be over until November - look, "The Comeback Kid":

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/032908DailyUpdateGraph1_yielnbf730lslmn.gif

Stupid Gallup reporting. The error is plus minus two to three points, meaning that plenty of the "tie" is bullshit. Narrative or not, the shit has been lost in the statistical noise for weeks now.

wow joe klein really is a dick:

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1725678,00.html

^^ this is being reported as Hard News but the UK sunday telegraph

Klein has a great reputation for being consistently wrong.

Arguably the two next most influential Democrats are the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, and the Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid. But Pelosi’s loud advocacy of the view that the superdelegates should vote in line with the pledged delegates belies her pro forma neutrality in the race—thus undercutting any influence she might have with Clinton. “She’s totally in the tank for Obama,” says one Clintonite. “Why would we listen to her?”

does someone want to explain the origin and precise meaning of the "in the tank" meme? other than calling someone who would dare to unhesitatingly prefer Obama just a starry-eyed teenybopper? i mean, i know it must suck for hillary that there's this woman out there who's nominally (actually?) more powerful than she is, whose hubby has never been seen or heard from by the public, and whose harshest penalty has been to be called a san francisco liberal and mentioned in the same sentence as howard dean. maybe hil's mad that in her know-yr-enemies junior-LJB-prep she never thought of anything like sending Chelsea out to become bffs with gwb.

http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~cook/movabletype/archives/church_bodies.gif

i think we can expect hil to do pretty well in the green parts. i wonder how she polls against mccain in WV.

alfred's got it straight. klein has been hilarious rong on the wiretapping thing all along, stumbling over himself to say he didn't say it like a high quality crony.

Clinton will get smashed in the green parts of KS against McCain. I live in one of them, and yes it's ostensibly heavily Methodist, but those churches are shrinking fast (the non-denom evangelical churches are a much different story).

I think Obama will do much better (in our green areas and otherwise), because of all the military here. I know lots of soldiers now, most of whom have done at least one tour in Iraq (it is weird to teach moral philosophy to people who have seen things you've never dreamed of). Some of these soldiers are young people, but many have families, where one of the spouses is currently deployed (and often the other is expecting to go also, too bad for their kids). From lots of conversations, I know that they are on the whole very anti-war right now, and I don't see them coming out in big numbers for McCain. But they won't for vote for a Clinton, period: these are conservative people, and they see Clinton rightly or wrongly as just another coastal liberal. Obama is seen differently, as you can see from our caucus numbers.

what the hell is up with the baptist pocket of esmeralda county, NV

just small numbers, i think. my impression is that in many places, the map is blue in large part due to the variety of christian denominations - catholicism may not be that large a plurality.

yeah, Clinton can't win KS. Obama probably can't either, but he's got a tiny advantage there, even if it's all in KC, and I think Sebelius could at least put it in play.

I'm pretty sure Clinton would do better in WV than Obama would. I just haven't seen it polled anywhere - maybe it's not in play.

the map is blue in large part due to the variety of christian denominations - catholicism may not be that large a plurality

as well as non-identification

Kerry calls Hillarycare a "non-starter" in the Senate

^^^subtle

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9259.html

lol?

LOL, there's a fake Mark Penn in the comments on TPM

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/obama_camp_declares_victory_in.php

Do you have any idea what the population of Texas is? Twenty-four million. Twenty-four million!

That is so absurdly macrotrendic as to need no additional commentary.

Thank you, Euler. So much of this thread is just white noize by now that it's nice to hear someone making sound observations, based in local reality, not on the media gabfest.

Went to the opening volunteer thing for the Obama Portland HQ yesterday. They rented out an empty Wild Oats supermarket, and the place was jammed, with about 500 folks showing. Good vibe in the crowd.

It looked like this

They rented out an empty Wild Oats supermarket

lol

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/033008DailyUpdateGraph1_ponm_bf730lslmnvp2.gif

KEEP ON CHOOGLIN, BARACK OBAMA

and over a weekend! maybe all the under-55s were in front of the tv.

anyway, i think it's pretty much over. dude's gonna win NC. if he doesn't lose IN, she's out. no pressure on Evan Bayh or anything. maybe O can pay a nice visit to Dick Lugar.