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Casuistry: you should go to Capote for sure as they filmed it here in Winnipeg. You might recognize something!

― Bryan (Bryan), Friday, 7 October 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

Not that I'm going to post one of my own.

I could post your 5-star DVDs over at Netflix, but I won't.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 7 October 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

hahaha! touche'. Can't a man enjoy a good cheerleader high school movie and rate it accordingly?

― 400% Nice (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 October 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

Can't a man enjoy the adventures of awkward robot Johnny 5?

― 400% Nice (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 October 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

Can't a man enjoy the "art" of Vincent Gallo and Harmony Korine?

― 400% Nice (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

Does at man not split his sides at Ren & Stimpy? If you show him Dumbo, does he not shed a tear?

― 400% Nice (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

You gave The Brown Bunny 2 stars.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

Will he not give "Rocky & Bullwinkle" a 4 star rating even if no other man is around to sing its praises?

xp Brown Bunny!

― 400% Nice (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

I mean Buffalo 66!

― 400% Nice (nordicskilla), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

I know, I just wanted to point out that at least one of your questions is rhetorical.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

You might recognize something!

Are you in it, then?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 8 October 2005 00:41 (twenty years ago)

B-b-but I really do know Dan Futterma@! He might win an Oscar! His role on "Judging Amy" should have won him an award-for actor acting like he didn't want to be in a tv drama.

― aimurchie (aimurchie), Saturday, 8 October 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

capote was very good! but i couldn't help thinking that philip seymour hoffman's vocal affectations reminded me of damon wayans.

catherine keener was all kinds of terrific... i wish they'd given her more to do, but she's great at conveying nonverbal expressions. i liked the "jealousy" subplot between harper lee and truman's boyfriend (such a little bitch!).

but yeah, it was nice to see a movie with such a conflicted main character -- proving that being a self-interested, vain careerist doesn't preclude caring about people, and unfortunately vice versa. (fuck, those were some lars von trier levels of emotional cruelty.)

― glasgow coma score (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 04:07 (twenty years ago)

also, it was kind of a trip seeing bob balaban playing wallace shawn's dad!

― glasgow coma score (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 04:33 (twenty years ago)

?!?!?!

How do they pull that off?

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

they're not that different looking...

http://www.vedmehta.com/gallery/shawn_william.jpg http://www.shortsupport.org/gif/whowho/Balaban_Bob.jpg

― glasgow coma score (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

That's not the Wallace Shawn I was thinking of.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

― glasgow coma score (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/walt_disney/the_incredibles/wallace_shawn/record1.jpg

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

wallace shawn's dad was william shawn, who edited the new yorker for many many many years. bob balaban played william shawn in the movie.

― glasgow coma score (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

Ah, that makes sense. I thought you meant Balaban played a character who was the father of a character played by Wallace Shawn in the movie, which seemed weird because Shawn looks older than Balaban. I r dum

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

now wally shawn has to play bob balaban's dad, so everything can come full circle and the world can explode.

― glasgow coma score (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

They should do a biopic of Chang and Eng.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

This is the best movie of 2005. No contest. Not only is the performance great (if they give an oscar to Jamie Fox and not Hoffman, there is no good in the world), but the movie is also brilliantly written and beautifully shot. The implications of the trap Capote sets for himself are nearly bottomless -- humanism vs. careerism is only the tip of it. Humanism toward who? A man who shot a whole family in the face with a shotgun? To what end? Is the work of art that Capote created more important than the lives of the people it's about? More important than his own feelings? These are the questions, the movie implies, that Capote could not handle, and that ultimately drove him to slow, alcoholic suicide (not to mention career suicide). Capote is a mess of contradictions. Brilliant and arrogant is not an uncommon combination, but manipulative and warm is not something you see too much of, not in movies anyway.

What a great movie.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 23 October 2005 04:12 (twenty years ago)

Manipulative and warm: The scene where he gets the young girl to talk by telling her what an outsider he always felt like. He does it for his book, but it's not untrue and it doesn't feel the least bit contrived (a testament to Hoffman's acting as much as anything else). He's getting his way by telling the truth. It's only when his interactions with Perry Smith begin to require lies that he's eaten up inside. He says early in the movie, "I don't lie." And you get the feeling that he doesn't -- he brags, he manipulates, he is full of grandiosity and extreme self-centered-ness, but he does not lie. But eventually, his art begins to require sacrifices to his soul.

Can I say it again? What a great movie.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 23 October 2005 04:23 (twenty years ago)

i tried to see this tonight but the projector broke down and they kicked us out.

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Sunday, 23 October 2005 07:05 (twenty years ago)

It is indeed good, and a marvelous performance. At first I said "uh oh," worried that the vocal tics would result in caricature, but he embodies the role so well that it seems natural.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

i am excited to see this.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

I thought this movie might cure me of my PSH crush due to the vocal tics, but it was so good that it didn't. Kenan OTM about everything. I also enjoyed Catherine Keener's performance a lot -- she was dignified and earthy and fun and modest. I loved it.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

keener rocks. she brings so much.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

I wanted more of Keener! Harper Lee biopic, please.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

No kidding!! I liked the dynamics of the two of them too, the old friends, and how she cared for him but found herself tiring of his relentless self-centeredness. Her face rules.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, she has that great moment where she's anticipating everything Truman is saying and repeating it with him ("94 percent accuracy"), and it's just the kind of thing old childhood friends would do -- her laugh at the end of the scene is so generous.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

you know what movie is the best example of keener's keenness? the 40-year-old virgin! a role that coulda been so nothing, so sleptwalk-through, and she's so totally alive and real in it.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

I thought PSH was magisterial in the role. He managed to perfectly invoke the mixture of fascination and repulsion I always felt for Tru. Keenan was great but Clifton Collins, Jr., as Perry Smith was excellent.

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

Word to that. He said more with a twitch of his lip than I've said all day. And I've talked a lot today.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Clifton Collins, Jr., as Perry Smith was excellent

Yeah, no doubt. I haven't actually read any reviews that have singled him out, but I hope he gets some supporting-actor consideration, even though it's unlikely he'll actually get nominated, unless there's a groundswell around the movie itself.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

Another thing I loved: it was SO QUIET. There wasn't any intrusive scoring or sappy "THIS IS HOW YOU SHOULD FEEL RIGHT NOW" musical cues. I brought some crackers with me to eat and they were too loud so I had to not eat them.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

That's interesting. I have to say, I was very conscious of people eating popcorn around me, but I didn't think to pin it on the quietness of the film.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

I noticed the quietness too.

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

I'm seeing this in an hour. Who's laying odds on I hate it?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

haha -- speaking of quiet

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

Ooh. I really am excited for Forty Shades of Blue.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

I am curious whether Eric hates it.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

I am too.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

Haha!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was really good, BUT I thought the direction, esp. near the end unfortunately, had moments where it veered too close to over-obvious and where Hoffman responds by over-acting just a tad (like they both knew this was a "Oscar" performance and that they had to have these "serious" moments in order for the Academy to take notice.) Also has the misfortune of paling in comparison to the fantastic '67 film of In Cold Blood which was basically anti-obvious film at some of its best. But these are (relatively) minor quibbles. It's well worth seeing.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

I mean, obviously I'm not warm on this one, but it's not a warm film. It's sort of intriguing that it reflects Capote's misguided attempt at feigning journalistic neutrality.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

I agree that, next to each other, In Cold Blood is the better movie. Especially when you add in the Robert Blake murder drama.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

Yeah well that was the role Blake was born to play (even the resemblance is downright creepy.) It's to the guy in Capote's credit that he does a good enough job that it's not totally distracting that he isn't ROBERT BLAKE.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

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