that sounds awesome.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)
The full answer to your question, to be blunt, is: we don't fucking know! I'm sure the government themselves (or most of it) don't know why things are just not panning out the way they are expected to pan out, as far as recovery efforts. This is a first-time thing for the U.S. in many ways.
Yes, it's incredibly awful and embarrassing... and cruel.
― donut gon' nut (donut), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)
I'm not sure where this comes from but...
"CNN just reporting that Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (of California which as a reminder is not a Gulf State) has been leading the charge to get Congress back to Washington, DC for an emergency session. Meanwhile, House Speaker Dennis Hastert has resisted, responding that Congress is already scheduled to reconvene next Tuesday and many Congressmen have important work (fund-raising of their own, not for victims) in their districts that can not be dropped on a moment's notice. Bear in mind that Hastert DID bring the House back from vacation for a special session on a Sunday night to address Terri Schiavo's feeding-tube issue."
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)
xpost Jesus. What a fucking douche Hastert is.
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)
words fail me.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)
What really concerns me is that there's no real angle for Bush here -- he has nothing really to gain by inaction. In fact, with the Gulf's oil production, he has a lot to lose. You'd think that even for the oil they'd move into gear. The fact that they didn't seems to indicate that they're both hamstrung by earlier poor decisions (FEMA funding), and by sheer incompetence.
Someone earlier pointed out that Bush said "no-one could forsee the levees breaking". Well this is a board of internet mentalists, and we foresaw it. There have been predictions of "this will be worse than Camille" since Saturday. Why weren't troops mobilised then?
Medics talk about the "golden 72 hours" to save people after a disaster. That time is now up, and thousands or hundreds of thousands are still trapped. With no water. In the richest nation on Earth. Why has this happened?
― stet (stet), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)
― Ian in Brooklyn, Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)
of course, this will not happen.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)
Know what? FUCK OFF, SMUGLY ANCHORGUY.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)
Bush Bypasses Senate to Install Official
"Bush used a "recess appointment" Wednesday to name Alice S. Fisher to lead the agency's criminal division. Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., had blocked the nomination because he wants to talk to an agent who named Fisher in an e-mail about allegedly abusive interrogations at the U.S. military prison camp at Guantanamo."
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)
its made doubly hard by the fact that reporting in the uk seems so muted (NB I DONT have a TV, so this is skewed). this is a humanitarian disaster, and it seems unprecedented in what it represents. reading of the dying in the streets, the dead bodies. i dont even know what i would think if i read about that happening in the UK, its juts unbelievable. why dont i feel so strongly when worse (eg in terms of loss of life) disasters hit other more impoverished countries? well thats the point isnt it. Q: is louisiana so far from the gaze of gov. power that it migth as well be another country?
― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)
Of these three, I feel comparatively lucky to live with the threat of the one prospective disaster that is entirely independent of human action. Global warming = more hurricanes. Dumb foreign policy = more terrorists. But earthquakes, they just happen whenever they want...
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)
Given last week's brouhaha involving him, Hurting, I'd have to say I'd find prioritizing him a *little* strange. Second on the list? Above folks like the Salvation Army?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)
The thing that is oddly NOT being mentioned at all, as far as human disasters go, is the eventual pandemic. What are doing about that, exactly? "Pandemic? Is that when there's an epidemic of pandas??? OMG!!"
― donut gon' nut (donut), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)
― donut gon' nut (donut), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)
― donut gon' nut (donut), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)
"Next week will be the Senate’s opportunity to address this crisis, and I write to you today to ask that you permit the Senate to do just that. As you know, the current Senate agenda calls for us to consider motions to proceed to estate tax legislation and other issues when we return to session next Tuesday. Given the tragic and devastating events along the Gulf Coast, members of the Senate would have great difficulty explaining why we were debating the estate tax during our first days back when we know hundreds of thousands of families are suffering.
I urge you to take the estate tax and these other items off the table, so that Senators and the resources of the Senate can immediately be focused when where they belong when we return -- on the recovery effort. There can be no more important challenge facing our country in the days ahead than getting relief to victims of Hurricane Katrina, and the agenda of the United States Senate should reflect that priority."
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)
-- gabbneb (gabbne...), September 1st, 2005.
http://www.ob.org/
I dunno, judge for yourself. It appears to be a pretty large-scale international charity. Is the list-placement a little suspect? Maybe. But hardly something to be up in arms about from the sound of it.
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)
By Wesley Clark
...Again, just this past week, there was at least 36 hours notice that a major hurricane was going to hit the Gulf Coast, including likely a devastating blow to New Orleans, which certainly came to pass. The President continued with his regular schedule on Monday and Tuesday in California, Arizona, and Texas to hold some staged Medicare events and enjoy more vacation time, while finally returning to the White House yesterday. The joint task force including National Guard set up by the Pentagon failed to be on the scene in New Orleans in a timely manner to stop the looting and assist in the evacuation. Where is the leadership?
Then just this morning, the President claimed that no one could have anticipated the levee breaches we've seen in New Orleans after Katrina hit. That's not leadership, that's an excuse. In fact, people have predicted this kind of disaster for many years, including President Bush's own FEMA in 2001, when they ranked hurricane flood damage to New Orleans among the three likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing America. Instead, funding was significantly cut back, leaving key engineering projects on hold. Instead, this Administration focused on the war in Iraq, tax cuts, and private sector economic growth without asking the American people to make needed sacrifices for the good of the country. Again I ask you, where is the leadership?...
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)
― donut gon' nut (donut), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)
Oddly, the Red Cross and AmeriCares are NOT blocked. Judgment passed.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)
Donate Cash
American Red Cross 1-800-HELP NOW (435-7669) English, 1-800-257-7575 Spanish;
America’s Second Harvest 1-800-344-8070
Operation Blessing 1-800-436-6348
Donate Cash and/or Volunteer
Adventist Community Services 1-800-381-7171
B'nai B'rith International 1-888-388-4224
Catholic Charities, USA 1-800-919-9338
Christian Disaster Response 941-956-5183 or 941-551-9554
Christian Reformed World Relief Committee 1-800-848-5818
Church World Service 1-800-297-1516
Convoy of Hope 417-823-8998
Corporation for National and Community Service Disaster Relief Fund (202) 606-6718
Feed the Children 1-800-525-7575
Lutheran Disaster Response 800-638-3522
Mennonite Disaster Service 717-859-2210
Nazarene Disaster Response 888-256-5886
Presbyterian Disaster Assistance 800-872-3283
Salvation Army 1-800-SAL-ARMY (725-2769)
Southern Baptist Convention -- Disaster Relief 1-800-462-8657, ext. 6440
United Jewish Communities 1-877-277-2477
Union for Reform Judaism
United Methodist Committee on Relief 1-800-554-8583
It just happens to be one of three charities that fall under "donate cash" only as opposed to "donate cash and/or volunteer." They are alphabetical, and it's third on the list.
Come on, bloggers!
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)
If you had any doubts as to the evilness of Fred Phelps and his right-wing, anti-gay, anti-American "Christian" crusade, your doubts can be lifted. Here is what is posted on his site now:
THANK GOD FOR HURRICANE KATRINA!!!
THANK GOD FOR DEAD AMERICANS!
THANK GOD FOR HIS JUDGMENTS!
America worships at the fag altar and spits in God's face with every funeral they hold for these so called her soldiers. Is it any wonder that God has punished this vile nation with these losses?
It is no wonder that God has sent these great, unstoppable winds to sweep whole cities away like so much chaff. Just as it is no wonder that God sent the Muslim planes to destroy the World Trade Center, it is no wonder that the God who created the Earth and Seas (Genesis 1:9-10) could use them to destroy whole cities and unkown numbers of unrepentant sinners. Be thankful it wasn't BILLIONS, as it was in the days of Noah!
I'm not going to link to this. Fred Phelps, if you're reading: Eat a dick.
― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)
― Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)