What states do you consider to be part of the Midwest?

i have been to Springfield twice. seemed Midwestern to me.

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i thought that was for the Bahstin accent.

Pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd.

BRRATS

Dialect Survey Maps and Results

http://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/maps.html

Delaware and Maryland are mid-Atlantic.

Also, Laurel, can I get that porkchop and rice casserole recipe? Thx.

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I'll ask about it, J. Or check at home and try to remember to bring it to work.

btw most chicagoans don't speak with a "chicago" accent. accentless as in 95% of midwesterners sound like your typical CNN newscaster, hollywood actor, etc.

that is not actually true in mn

that's 4% right there.

yeah that's not true of 95% of northern ohioans, michigan people, or wisconsin, etc. people i have met either.

95% accentless. 1% Chicago accent. 4% hockey accent.

btw most chicagoans don't speak with a "chicago" accent. accentless as in 95% of midwesterners sound like your typical CNN newscaster, hollywood actor, etc.

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Could have fooled me on that. Unless they are transplants. Pretty much everybody I know has one.

Missouri is 100% midwest, no contest

definitely. If Kansas and Illinois are Midwest, but Missouri isn't, then is Missouri the extended middle finger of the south?

That's cause you socialize exclusively at the Pipefitters Union hall, Bill.

Yeah, even people who aren't running around talking about "da Bears" still say "Oh my Gaaaahd" and "Chicaaaahgo." I am mostly aware of this because of the extent to which I've started doing it myself, which kind of bums me out.

i've heard buffalo lumped in as a midwestern city which is totally ??? except for the accent.

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this seems right to me + i grew up in buffalo and live here now. it's the rust belt imo.

% of people in Chicago with "Chicago" accent=% of people in NYC with "New York" accent. I've come across thousands of people born and raised in the area and only a handful have had that thick "hey dere my friend whaddaya say we get some brats and watch da bears" accent. Wish it was more prevalent tbh, cause it's pretty hilarious.

It is totally hilarious.

lol

I listen the Steve Dahl Show podcasts, right, and he plays voicemails from listeners. I'd say 1 out of 20 have a Chicago accent. Which he of course then usually mocks, awesomely.

I'm probably don't pick up on the more subtle versions of the accent, though.

Hello there, my friend. What do you say we purchase some bratwursts, and then watch the Chicago Bears football game?

Or, if you prefer, the Chicago Bulls basketball match. I believe they are competing against the Spurs of San Antonio this evening.

yew tak funny, meh friend, but yea i could gofer sem saaaasages.

- The midwest is a feeling.

- Arguments about Missouri and the south are somewhat compelling to me, actually, because there is a difference -- there are certainly places west of it that have way more in common with the core midwest than it does. Places like Lincoln or Omaha or Lawrence KS are way more, umm, spiritually contiguous with the idea of the "midwest" than a lot of Missouri. Haha Missouri is the gateway, the crossroads.

- I don't count the Dakotas; apart from a few far-eastern spots like Fargo or Sioux Falls or whatever they're just different, much more part of that whole northern-Rockies group.

- I can go either way on how far people want to extend the idea out onto the plains. You sorta just pick it up from context, really, whether someone's "midwest" is more Great-Lakesy or more Great-Plainsy. The only thing that bugs me is east-coasters whose idea of "midwest" is totally undifferentiated and encompasses most of the country. Or -- and I'm sorry if this is anyone here -- people who toss out Iowa as this quintessential midwestern flat grain-filled flyover spot, because if you've spent any time whatsoever near the midwest you know very well that Iowa is not the "center" of anything. Like any notion of a cultural or geographic category that thinks Iowa is right in the middle of it is just flat wrong.

Yeah, what most people consider the "Chicago accent" is largely a white working-class thing.

I move that it be renamed the Berwyn accent.

so can we agree that the Idea of the Midwest needs to be first broken up into cultural, physical, etc. separate contingencies and then depicted with individual raster map overlays that can show the degree of Midwesternness at any particular coordinate, as opposed to vector maps with a hard-and-fast line-in-the-sand boundary that says "this is the Midwest, this is not?"

Modern Geography was invented at the University of Chicago in the sixties by the way. I learned that in a History of Geography class.

we are all midwesterners now

except me, coz i'm from pittsburgh

I srsly think of western PA as being midwest.

it's definitely in the graying-out zone

i thought california was part of the midwest till i lived in LA, now i think the midwest is everything that isnt los angeles, new york, new jersey, or philadelphia

nabisco no it is not, wtf

no ocean coastline? no mountains? wasn't in the confederacy? yup, that's midwest.

is it boring? that's a better yardstick maybe

Like any notion of a cultural or geographic category that thinks Iowa is right in the middle of it is just flat wrong.

http://www.umesc.usgs.gov/terrestrial/amphibians/armi/images/armi_midwest_420-360.gif

Sure looks like Iowa is near the center of that area.

yeah um, i was gonna say. i can't think of a more central Midwestern geographic category than Iowa. Alton IL? Maybe? Central Illinois?

has anyone said NORTHERN CITIES VOWEL SHIFT yet?

northern cities vowel shift
look it up
labov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UoJ1-ZGb1w

Oooh, what is that from? I would watch that whole show. (PBS, I'm guessing, if that's Robert MacNeil.)

i thought california was part of the midwest till i lived in LA, now i think the midwest is everything that isnt los angeles, new york, new jersey, or philadelphia

here is the average californian's map...new jersey and philadelphia don't make the cut

(california) -- ??????? midwest??????????? - (new york city!!!)

It's called Do You Speak American?
I use it in my classes when we do our pronunciation section to show the variety of dialects in the US.

Thanks!

Also:
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~chiang/images/newyorker1.png

labov is a God

I use it in my classes when we do our pronunciation section to show the variety of dialects in the US.

In elementary and high school is it required to speak without an accent? In my school it was strictly forbidding to speak in dialect. (Less strict in the second high school I attended, but it was still not allowed in class itself.)

I'm not sure, but I doubt it. Anyway, I teach ESL classes. Also it's impossible to speak without an accent.

(adult esl, i should clarify)

I went to school in the NW and we would get scolded for sounding "too Californian"

If you're speaking with an accent, chances are your teacher is, too.