our state boundaries were drawn by slavers and plutocrats and paid for in blood anyway, fwiw
― cialis morissette (goole), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link
^^ i mean, just the midwest's
― cialis morissette (goole), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link
u_u
― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link
waht is the mesabi range a range of
― mookieproof, Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:03 (fourteen years ago) link
holes, now
― cialis morissette (goole), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link
tru
― mookieproof, Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link
I really do think being a Chicagoan has a great deal to do with my conception of the Midwest. In some ways, the states that I consider "Midwestern" are ones that don't feel that far away, and that I've been to more than a couple of times. So Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and (obviously) Illinois all fit -- and as I said earlier, I'd be willing to accept Missouri, too (especially since St. Louis is only 4.5 hours away, and I've visited there no fewer than four times).
Whereas the Dakotas and Nebraska and Kansas just feel instinctively wrong to me -- but maybe that's because I've never been to North Dakota or Kansas, and have only been to South Dakota and Nebraska on a big family road-trip vacation to Yellowstone and back when I was nine years old.
― M. Grissom/DeShields (jaymc), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh wait, my band played a show in Omaha once. But still, that's like 7 or 8 hours away.
― M. Grissom/DeShields (jaymc), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Like Iowa, Kansas is quintessentially Midwest to me. We're not in Kansas anymore etc etc.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:12 (fourteen years ago) link
a graphical delineation needs to be made for the boundaries of 1) the cultural midwest 2) the environmental midwest and 3) the political/economic midwest. then, using GIS spatial analyst tools, the boundaries of these three concurrent regions can be extrapolated and a generalized midwestern boundary that accounts for all geographic aspects of the region can be decided upon. and it won't include kentucky
― iiiijjjj, Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Kansas is Middle America to me, but not Midwest.
― M. Grissom/DeShields (jaymc), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link
oh brother
― cialis morissette (goole), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:16 (fourteen years ago) link
or pennsylvania
― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:16 (fourteen years ago) link
have you met a person from kansas?? if you ask them the question:
"are you from the midwest?" they will answer YES
― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link
yes^^^ same with Nebraska
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean i realize we all love to have our own personal definitions of the Midwest, and that's fine, too
if you wanna be rong
jaymc where does "Middle America" end and the Midwest begin?
― iiiijjjj, Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link
at the edges of a John Cougar Mellencamp video
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Missouri is 100% midwest, no contest― Mr. Que, Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:48 AM (26 minutes ago)
― Mr. Que, Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:48 AM (26 minutes ago)
y'all ever been to Springfield? (3rd largest city in MO)
cuz i have and it is way more Southern than Midwestern.
Quick wiki browse: Sits in the Ozarks, Confederate stronghold from 1861-1865, site of the first recorded shoot-out, birthplace/terminus of "SOUTHERN" intercontinental Route 66, etc.
― ♪♫(●̲̲̅̅̅̅=̲̲̅̅̅̅●̲̅̅)♪♫ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link
iiiijjjj, you been to Springfield right?
The Midwest is part of Middle America.
― M. Grissom/DeShields (jaymc), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:24 (fourteen years ago) link
i dunno there's burbs up here that are pretty "southern" imo
― cialis morissette (goole), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Isn't the Midwest meant to be neutral, "accentless", Mom's Apple Pie America? If so, no way the Dakotas are in it, that's witch country.
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link
lol
― M. Grissom/DeShields (jaymc), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link
just because MO has a "southern" city doesn't mean it is not, as a whole, "midwestern" imo
― dr. johnson (askance johnson), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link
yep, I canvassed for Obama there and I would say that based on the lay of the land, including plenty of creeks and hollows, the per-capita frequency of churches and Waffle Houses, not to mention the physical size of the numerous churches, that it felt distinctly more southern than midwestern to me at least. all this could be said about Branson and the Ozarks in general too. also, I drove past Roy Blunt on I-44.
― iiiijjjj, Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link
accentless lol
― harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link
i have been to Springfield twice. seemed Midwestern to me.
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:30 (fourteen years ago) link
PARRk THE CARRR
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:30 (fourteen years ago) link
i thought that was for the Bahstin accent.
Pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd.
― ♪♫(●̲̲̅̅̅̅=̲̲̅̅̅̅●̲̅̅)♪♫ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link
BRRATS
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Dialect Survey Maps and Results
http://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/maps.html
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Delaware and Maryland are mid-Atlantic.
Also, Laurel, can I get that porkchop and rice casserole recipe? Thx.
xp
― she is writing about love (Jenny), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link
I'll ask about it, J. Or check at home and try to remember to bring it to work.
― I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link
btw most chicagoans don't speak with a "chicago" accent. accentless as in 95% of midwesterners sound like your typical CNN newscaster, hollywood actor, etc.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link
that is not actually true in mn
― how rad bandit (gbx), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link
that's 4% right there.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah that's not true of 95% of northern ohioans, michigan people, or wisconsin, etc. people i have met either.
― harbl, Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link
95% accentless. 1% Chicago accent. 4% hockey accent.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 22 October 2009 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:50 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Could have fooled me on that. Unless they are transplants. Pretty much everybody I know has one.
― Bill Magill, Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Missouri is 100% midwest, no contest
definitely. If Kansas and Illinois are Midwest, but Missouri isn't, then is Missouri the extended middle finger of the south?
― husband of blood - because of the circumcision (Z S), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link
That's cause you socialize exclusively at the Pipefitters Union hall, Bill.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, even people who aren't running around talking about "da Bears" still say "Oh my Gaaaahd" and "Chicaaaahgo." I am mostly aware of this because of the extent to which I've started doing it myself, which kind of bums me out.
― she is writing about love (Jenny), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link
i've heard buffalo lumped in as a midwestern city which is totally ??? except for the accent.
― harbl, Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this seems right to me + i grew up in buffalo and live here now. it's the rust belt imo.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link
% of people in Chicago with "Chicago" accent=% of people in NYC with "New York" accent. I've come across thousands of people born and raised in the area and only a handful have had that thick "hey dere my friend whaddaya say we get some brats and watch da bears" accent. Wish it was more prevalent tbh, cause it's pretty hilarious.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link
It is totally hilarious.
― she is writing about love (Jenny), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link
― ♪♫(●̲̲̅̅̅̅=̲̲̅̅̅̅●̲̅̅)♪♫ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link
I listen the Steve Dahl Show podcasts, right, and he plays voicemails from listeners. I'd say 1 out of 20 have a Chicago accent. Which he of course then usually mocks, awesomely.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm probably don't pick up on the more subtle versions of the accent, though.