Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE)

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Chertof with hair?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

And if Brown's been "relieved" of his Katrina duties, can we please take him completely off the public payroll?

That would be wrong and bad, and shows you do not support the war in Iraq.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

LOL! I thought Chertof looked familiar! xpost

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

am i understanding this correctly... the head of FEMA has been taken off hurricane katrina duty, but he's still the head of FEMA?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

Yup. Amusing comment from Lopez at NRO, who was predicting Brown would do the 'right' thing by resigning:

Brown hasn't resigned from FEMA evidently, just moving off the hurricane relief effort. He's going back to Washington.

Oy. We even gave them the script.

Poor dear.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

what other duties could the head of FEMA possibly have right now? Dan Brown will now be officially in charge of hiding under a rock.
resign you dumb fuck.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

except his name's mike.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

and now we'll see the "well, Mike Brown was all at fault and he's gone so there's no more credible reasons for criticism, so shaddup-a you face" talking point.

(Talkin' point-a?)

xpost. yeah, Dan Brown can crucified for other things

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

Dan Brown should resign from writing shitty conspiracy theory novels.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

aw, you know what i meant... if only we could get dan brown to go hide under a rock too

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

http://www.indyweek.com/durham/2004-09-22/cover.html

Apologies if this was posted upthread. Check the date.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

Whoa. dude's name really IS "Pleasant Mann".

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

and now we'll see the "well, Mike Brown was all at fault and he's gone so there's no more credible reasons for criticism, so shaddup-a you face" talking point.

Not as long as he's still in charge of FEMA. Longer he stays/is suffered to stay, the more ridiculous it looks. Thus Lopez's response -- she was hoping for that full clearing of the decks and hasn't gotten it. Good thing too.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Asked if he was being made a scapegoat for a federal relief effort that has drawn widespread and sharp criticism, Brown told The Associated Press after a long pause: ‘’By the press, yes. By the president, No.’‘

Figures.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

He sucks, but I really hope that Brown is not being set up as the scapegoat/sacrificial lamb/what-have-you so that this administration can hang all their sins on him and wriggle out of having to answer any awkward questions.

Brown and many others got their jobs through the good-old-boy sewing circle (jerk) of you butter my bread and I'll butter yours (and heck, I'll throw in a cutie-patootie nickname for you too there, Brownie-boy). No one is the best man (woman? gasp!) for the job, just the best Bush supporter.

Sorry, I have students turning in "people are being mean to the president!" papers today, and it has me fine and frazzled.

not sure about pickles (Jacqui Pickles), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

tell them the president is being mean to all those Americans.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

"The president deserves our respect especially when things in the country get hard."

Direct quote.

not sure about pickles (Jacqui Pickles), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Ma Bush ain't alone:
U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay's visit to Reliant Park this morning offered him a glimpse of what it's like to be living in shelter.

While on the tour with top administration officials from Washington, including U.S. Secretary of Labor Elaine L. Chao and U.S. Treasury Secretary John W. Snow, DeLay stopped to chat with three young boys resting on cots.

The congressman likened their stay to being at camp and asked, "Now tell me the truth boys, is this kind of fun?"

They nodded yes, but looked perplexed.

T/S: Callousness vs Cluelessness

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

http://www.wonkette.com/too%20good%20to%20check.jpg

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

whoa. i just got a call from the local Red Cross branch. They need folks to help register evacuees coming to town, so i gotta go in for training.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050909/capt.larc10209092141.katrina_brown_larc102.jpg?x=380&y=285&sig=MJ0s9jbAveoZX2DcMkFa6A--

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

Terrible DJ skills there.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

Dude, he's conjuring fell spirits.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

bah, what happened to my other image?

http://www.kikman.de/Logos-Signs/SI-Burns.gif

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=8158

Friday 9th September 2005 (01h22) :
New Orleans tragedy: The 17th street levee was bombed
3 comment(s).


Report from the Houston Astrodome...

10:23: Joel just got removed. Almost arrested. Fox News is down on the floor. I’m in dome, hiding in seats. They’re allowing some media on the floor, not others.

10:31 Just met members of the Polish press, they are being stopped from entering floor. Says this is like the former USSR.

10:57 Raw transcript of comments by NOLA evacuee : "The 17th street levee was bombed by the Army Corps of Engineers to save the more valuable real estate in the city... to keep the French Quarter protected, the ninth ward was sacrificed... people are afraid to speak out... everyone who was near there heard the bombings... they bombed seven times. That’s why they didn’t fix the levees... 20 feet of water. Gators. People dying in water. They let the parishes go, not the city center. Tourist trap was saved over human life. A six year old girl was raped in here.. 9 year old boy killed. A man in the shower beaten. No hot food. No help for elderly."

Another evacuee: "Over 20 rapes per night happening inside this place. They bring in national guard for media purposes. Bush wants us to stay here to raise his ratings. Some workers are stealing the good stuff, like shoes."

11:16: Rough transcript of comments by NOLA evacuee, male: "We are treated like prisoners here. Placed under mandatory curfew. We are citizens!"

11:22 Now I’m speaking to someone else, another woman, who says some people report having witnessed "bomb sounds," believe 17th street levee and others were blown up to manage water flow and protect more valuable portions of real estate.

Evacuee: "They blew the levee to save the city..." Saying a barge broke the levee. She is from St. Bernard Parish. "More expensive places were saved at the expense of the neighborhoods that aren’t as valuable... Rebuilding Bourbon Street matters more to the government... that’s what mattered to Governor Blanco..."

corrina, Friday, 9 September 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

Oh shit.

internet comedy novice (Matt Chesnut), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

is there room in the houston prison system for the criminals at the astrodome?

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

I don't think any federal officials are at the astrodome now.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

Okay... I find this hard to swallow.

xpost

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

I don't really understand how the Army Corps of Engineers would be capable of bombing anything, particularly in the middle of a hurricane/flood. Those guys don't fly bombers.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

I don't fully trust bellaciao.org, but we'll see.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

(Hopefully, we'll see. Maybe things will successfully be covered up.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

anybody read the story about Bush suspending wage requirements for contract workers? Something about how they only need to pay minimum wage for skilled labor.

They mentioned this on Marketplace today, and of course had a quote from Grover "Somebody's probably gunna cap me soon" Norquist about how this was a good thing. There was no expiration date placed on the suspension, so companies could pay as little as they wanted to for as long as they wanted to. Grover: "They can save millions of dollars for the taxpayer this way..." etc

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

"11:22 Now I’m speaking to someone else, another woman, who says some people report having witnessed "bomb sounds," believe 17th street levee and others were blown up to manage water flow and protect more valuable portions of real estate."

Come on, this reads like a bad game of telephone. "someone told someone else who just told me" etc without verifying anything as being from an eyewitness or a knowledgeable expert... "hearing bomb sounds" (Have these people ever even heard a bomb? How different does it sound from, say, concrete bursting from water pressure?) And again, this seems wildly implausible, to say the least, given the Army Corps of Engineer's resources and the kind of work they do. They are not the 101st Airborne.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

Isn't it more plausible that a bunch of recently traumatized people trapped in an enclosed space with no contact with the outside world would be prone to spreading unverifiable and unsubstantiated rumors?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

What about Trent Lott's porch? Surely, they would have saved that if they could.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

it's really unfortunate that w/r/t the murders, rapes, beatings, (a) the government figures the "poor blacks" will all kill themselves off before anyone else gets to them (b) the "poor blacks" (by which i only mean the ones causing trouble) aren't rising to the occasion and proving the govt wrong here. i know they have a hell of a lot to be angry about, but i can't excuse certain behaviors (there's no reason why anyone should get raped, ever). it's sad. new orleans had a very high crime/violence rate before katrina, so it's not like the media reports are COMPLETELY exaggerated.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

I don't believe this bombing the levees thing for a second. Come on, for one thing, this government isn't nearly that organized. They did bomb levees in the 1920s, which is probably why people are willing to belive it.

And yes, BushCo has removed minimum wage in the affected areas. I read a few articles about it- let me see if I can find one...

lyra (lyra), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

I can't help but think back to the LA Riots when the LAPD did nothing for a day and allowed an unstable situation get much much worse - implicitly telling South Central that "we rather let you guys burn yourself down."

Substitute the Ninth Ward for South Central and I don't find this brand of urban warfare surprising at all.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/08/AR2005090802037.html
excerpt:
President Bush yesterday suspended application of the federal law governing workers' pay on federal contracts in the Hurricane Katrina-damaged areas of Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, and Mississippi. The action infuriated labor leaders and their Democratic supporters in Congress, who said it will lower wages and make it harder for union contractors to win bids.

The Davis-Bacon Act, passed in 1931 during the Great Depression, sets a minimum pay scale for workers on federal contracts by requiring contractors to pay the prevailing or average pay in the region. Suspension of the act will allow contractors to pay lower wages. Many Republicans have opposed Davis-Bacon, charging that it amounts to a taxpayer subsidy to unions.

lyra (lyra), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

The "bombing of the levees" rumor is just the kind of thing Rove would float out there to distract from the real issues at hand and attempt to make all criticism of the Bush administration look like crazy conspiracy stuff. Notice the line "that’s what mattered to Governor Blanco" which sounds like it's straight from the White House.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

"i know they have a hell of a lot to be angry about, but i can't excuse certain behaviors (there's no reason why anyone should get raped, ever)."

yeah - looting, "stealing" food, clothes, whatever, hey I got no problem with that. Shooting doctors, raping children - uh, that's NEVER cool. And clearly they're the acts of people who figure they aren't gonna live much longer and they're already delirious and angry and out of their minds so hey, may as well do all that crazy shit they always thought about doing.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

And clearly they're the acts of people who figure they aren't gonna live much longer and they're already delirious and angry and out of their minds so hey, may as well do all that crazy shit they always thought about doing.

i know, but it still isn't cool.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

no it definitely isn't. it's very depressing. very Saramago's "Blindness" (as someone else mentioned on some other thread).

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

randy newman sang "louisiana 1927" at the shelter from the storm concert. he left in the "cracker" lyric. :-)

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 9 September 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

ok, they CANCELLED the evacuee flights again(2nd time) late this afternoon, and so they cancelled the training class, a fact revealed to me by a rent-a-cop by the entrance of the fenced-off high school where they are/were/are/were preparing evacuee shelters. No one from the local Red Cross can confirm what's going on, and since i don't have RC i.d., i couldn't go in to find out. the dude at the office didn't know and couldn't find anybody who knew either.

what the FUCK is going on in this country?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

also, NPR ran a timeline today of the events. i don't remember hearing about Bush offering(on FRIDAY) to send in troops, but ONLY if they're under White House control.

God do i hope they hang for this. Figuratively or metaphorically.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

and literally. oops.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

we also had bad communication issues in st louis wrt when people would be arriving. We have more volunteers than we expect evacuees, though, which is pretty cool.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 9 September 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)


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