Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE)

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Also, the next thing for the media to bring out is why all these yobbos would have wanted not-necessarily-prestigious sub-sub-director FEMA positions. The answer, as Allbaugh has already demonstrated, is that -- post-9/11 -- even a six-month stint at FEMA is probably enough to qualify yourself as a high-dollar security/emergency lobbyist. These guys must all be figuring (or have been figuring, anyway) on cashing in big time.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 9 September 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4628/bushincompetencemap5lz.gif

Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 9 September 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

I know this is a futile exercise, but I'm trying to imagine what would happen if it came out that President Al Gore had put Snerdy McDodo (college buddy of major political contributor Urphus Sleem) in charge of emergency management -- after Sept. 11, no less.

If Al Gore were President, Fundamentalist Baby Jesus would cry and his tears would flood New Orleans.

M. V. (M.V.), Friday, 9 September 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

note that the world was shocked, yes, SHOCKED by images over the weekend....

of looters.

this is Karen Hughes, former WH communications director. She got promoted this week.

..."The images of crime being committed in the face of an awful natural disaster is hard for anyone to understand, people around the world and Americans. It sickens me as an American," she said. "How could criminals prey on vulnerable elderly citizens and children during a time of such horror?"

Like President Bush, Hughes acknowledged that the overall government response effort was flawed, but she did not include that as a reason the image of the United States might suffer as a result of the storm.

Hughes --- a longtime Bush aide and confidante --- takes the oath of office today as the State Department's undersecretary for public diplomacy and public affairs. Her job will be to improve America's global image...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

Rumor from Capital Buzz" is that Brownie may be resigning!

I sort of hope not if only because I want to see Bush have to put his precious Brownie to task because the press, the people, and everyone else demands it of him.

not sure about pickles (Jacqui Pickles), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

Who knew Mark Helprin had it in him? (More a 'FUCK EVERYONE' piece and half about Iraq, but still.)

The Brown resignation thing has been bandied about for a few days now, a fall-on-sword move. Entirely possible because Bush just hates firing people.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

on the whole "New Orleans Dodged a Bullet" talking point...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

http://www.fema.gov/kids/twins/hurricane/index.htm

???

WTF??

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

That Mark Helprin piece is a really well-written piece of completely demented Cold War nostalgia. If you cross your eyes and focus at a point just behind the screen, you can see a three-dimensional advertisement for Space-Based Missile Defense. "Core competencies" of the armed forces! What in the fuck does he know?

TOMBOT, Friday, 9 September 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

Gotta watch out for those published novelists, man.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

God, that FEMA site. So apparently the people most in danger of being hit by hurricanes are adorable white families staying in large vacation beach houses.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

FEMA Chief Relieved of Katrina Duties
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/09/09/national/w101446D73.DTL
Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Michael Brown is being removed from his role managing Hurricane Katrina relief efforts, The Associated Press has learned.

Brown is being sent back to Washington from Baton Rouge, where he was the primary official overseeing the federal government's response to the disaster, according to two federal officials who declined to be identified before the announcement.

Brown will be replaced by Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad w. Allen, who was overseeing New Orleans relief and rescue efforts.

Brown has been under fire because of the administration's slow response to the magnitude of the hurricane. On Thursday, questions were raised about whether he padded his resume to highlight his previous emergency management background.

lyra (lyra), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

Oh dear god please don't let our Navy in the pacific shrink!! The Chinese have built about a half-dozen barely functioning sort-of-nuclear submarines! And like 3 of them are permanently drydocked! Less than half the size of the Reagan-era fleet! Obviously this is the fault of our politicians, listening to the imbecilic will of the people, can't they see that EMPIRE is our DESTINY?!?

TOMBOT, Friday, 9 September 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

That Mark Helprin piece is a really well-written piece of completely demented Cold War nostalgia.

yeah, i was thinking "paleoconservative". still, adequate military forces devoted to a task, what a concept.

but yeah, freaking out about china being the new soviet union is tipping your hand just a bit.

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xpost well, that was quick, and pretty much telegraphed by getting the Coast Guard guys down there.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

xpost:

And Helprin's a total weirdo. Anyone remember his speeches for Bob Dole? I liked Winter's Tale in high school but I can't bring myself to read him anymore. Also, what's up with the superfluous knife photo there credited to "Alexandra Helprin"? Is that one of Mark's knives?

And if Brown's been "relieved" of his Katrina duties, can we please take him completely off the public payroll?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

http://people.stdnet.com/jonathan/images/Master01.jpg

Chertof with hair?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

And if Brown's been "relieved" of his Katrina duties, can we please take him completely off the public payroll?

That would be wrong and bad, and shows you do not support the war in Iraq.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

LOL! I thought Chertof looked familiar! xpost

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

am i understanding this correctly... the head of FEMA has been taken off hurricane katrina duty, but he's still the head of FEMA?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

Yup. Amusing comment from Lopez at NRO, who was predicting Brown would do the 'right' thing by resigning:

Brown hasn't resigned from FEMA evidently, just moving off the hurricane relief effort. He's going back to Washington.

Oy. We even gave them the script.

Poor dear.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

what other duties could the head of FEMA possibly have right now? Dan Brown will now be officially in charge of hiding under a rock.
resign you dumb fuck.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

except his name's mike.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

and now we'll see the "well, Mike Brown was all at fault and he's gone so there's no more credible reasons for criticism, so shaddup-a you face" talking point.

(Talkin' point-a?)

xpost. yeah, Dan Brown can crucified for other things

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

Dan Brown should resign from writing shitty conspiracy theory novels.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

aw, you know what i meant... if only we could get dan brown to go hide under a rock too

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

http://www.indyweek.com/durham/2004-09-22/cover.html

Apologies if this was posted upthread. Check the date.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

Whoa. dude's name really IS "Pleasant Mann".

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

and now we'll see the "well, Mike Brown was all at fault and he's gone so there's no more credible reasons for criticism, so shaddup-a you face" talking point.

Not as long as he's still in charge of FEMA. Longer he stays/is suffered to stay, the more ridiculous it looks. Thus Lopez's response -- she was hoping for that full clearing of the decks and hasn't gotten it. Good thing too.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Asked if he was being made a scapegoat for a federal relief effort that has drawn widespread and sharp criticism, Brown told The Associated Press after a long pause: ‘’By the press, yes. By the president, No.’‘

Figures.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

He sucks, but I really hope that Brown is not being set up as the scapegoat/sacrificial lamb/what-have-you so that this administration can hang all their sins on him and wriggle out of having to answer any awkward questions.

Brown and many others got their jobs through the good-old-boy sewing circle (jerk) of you butter my bread and I'll butter yours (and heck, I'll throw in a cutie-patootie nickname for you too there, Brownie-boy). No one is the best man (woman? gasp!) for the job, just the best Bush supporter.

Sorry, I have students turning in "people are being mean to the president!" papers today, and it has me fine and frazzled.

not sure about pickles (Jacqui Pickles), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

tell them the president is being mean to all those Americans.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

"The president deserves our respect especially when things in the country get hard."

Direct quote.

not sure about pickles (Jacqui Pickles), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Ma Bush ain't alone:
U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay's visit to Reliant Park this morning offered him a glimpse of what it's like to be living in shelter.

While on the tour with top administration officials from Washington, including U.S. Secretary of Labor Elaine L. Chao and U.S. Treasury Secretary John W. Snow, DeLay stopped to chat with three young boys resting on cots.

The congressman likened their stay to being at camp and asked, "Now tell me the truth boys, is this kind of fun?"

They nodded yes, but looked perplexed.

T/S: Callousness vs Cluelessness

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

http://www.wonkette.com/too%20good%20to%20check.jpg

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

whoa. i just got a call from the local Red Cross branch. They need folks to help register evacuees coming to town, so i gotta go in for training.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050909/capt.larc10209092141.katrina_brown_larc102.jpg?x=380&y=285&sig=MJ0s9jbAveoZX2DcMkFa6A--

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

Terrible DJ skills there.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

Dude, he's conjuring fell spirits.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

bah, what happened to my other image?

http://www.kikman.de/Logos-Signs/SI-Burns.gif

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=8158

Friday 9th September 2005 (01h22) :
New Orleans tragedy: The 17th street levee was bombed
3 comment(s).


Report from the Houston Astrodome...

10:23: Joel just got removed. Almost arrested. Fox News is down on the floor. I’m in dome, hiding in seats. They’re allowing some media on the floor, not others.

10:31 Just met members of the Polish press, they are being stopped from entering floor. Says this is like the former USSR.

10:57 Raw transcript of comments by NOLA evacuee : "The 17th street levee was bombed by the Army Corps of Engineers to save the more valuable real estate in the city... to keep the French Quarter protected, the ninth ward was sacrificed... people are afraid to speak out... everyone who was near there heard the bombings... they bombed seven times. That’s why they didn’t fix the levees... 20 feet of water. Gators. People dying in water. They let the parishes go, not the city center. Tourist trap was saved over human life. A six year old girl was raped in here.. 9 year old boy killed. A man in the shower beaten. No hot food. No help for elderly."

Another evacuee: "Over 20 rapes per night happening inside this place. They bring in national guard for media purposes. Bush wants us to stay here to raise his ratings. Some workers are stealing the good stuff, like shoes."

11:16: Rough transcript of comments by NOLA evacuee, male: "We are treated like prisoners here. Placed under mandatory curfew. We are citizens!"

11:22 Now I’m speaking to someone else, another woman, who says some people report having witnessed "bomb sounds," believe 17th street levee and others were blown up to manage water flow and protect more valuable portions of real estate.

Evacuee: "They blew the levee to save the city..." Saying a barge broke the levee. She is from St. Bernard Parish. "More expensive places were saved at the expense of the neighborhoods that aren’t as valuable... Rebuilding Bourbon Street matters more to the government... that’s what mattered to Governor Blanco..."

corrina, Friday, 9 September 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

Oh shit.

internet comedy novice (Matt Chesnut), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

is there room in the houston prison system for the criminals at the astrodome?

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

I don't think any federal officials are at the astrodome now.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

Okay... I find this hard to swallow.

xpost

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

I don't really understand how the Army Corps of Engineers would be capable of bombing anything, particularly in the middle of a hurricane/flood. Those guys don't fly bombers.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

I don't fully trust bellaciao.org, but we'll see.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

(Hopefully, we'll see. Maybe things will successfully be covered up.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

anybody read the story about Bush suspending wage requirements for contract workers? Something about how they only need to pay minimum wage for skilled labor.

They mentioned this on Marketplace today, and of course had a quote from Grover "Somebody's probably gunna cap me soon" Norquist about how this was a good thing. There was no expiration date placed on the suspension, so companies could pay as little as they wanted to for as long as they wanted to. Grover: "They can save millions of dollars for the taxpayer this way..." etc

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

"11:22 Now I’m speaking to someone else, another woman, who says some people report having witnessed "bomb sounds," believe 17th street levee and others were blown up to manage water flow and protect more valuable portions of real estate."

Come on, this reads like a bad game of telephone. "someone told someone else who just told me" etc without verifying anything as being from an eyewitness or a knowledgeable expert... "hearing bomb sounds" (Have these people ever even heard a bomb? How different does it sound from, say, concrete bursting from water pressure?) And again, this seems wildly implausible, to say the least, given the Army Corps of Engineer's resources and the kind of work they do. They are not the 101st Airborne.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 September 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)


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