2008 Primaries Thread 3: The Rejecting and Denouncening

I don't normally give half a shit about Bill Maher, but this struck me:

Reverend Wright associated with Farrakhan. The Pope works with Cardinal Law. Which is worse? Isn't it the man who shuffled "priests" like Shanley and Geoghan and many others from parish to parish with the full knowledge of their crimes, and then claimed he had no idea?

Yes, by Sean Hannity's own logic, Catholics like him, en masse, would be expected to abandon their church. Which shouldn't be a problem, because they worship Reagan anyway.

hillary's already using the calls for her to drop out as fundraising fodder, and the obama campaign is quietly asserting that clinton still has the right to be in the race. ugh. the only plausible way i can see to prevent the hillary fighter-outsider-comeback story is obama's super count reaching a critical tipping point.

-- elmo argonaut, Friday, March 28, 2008 8:34 AM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i heard an audio clip on Dean on the radio just now that seemed like he was ever so gently urging the 400 (or so) uncommitted superdelegates to start endorsing.

xpost: I think this whole Rev. Wright "controversy" is ridiculously overblown, but that is a good analogy/point of comparison at all... the vast majority of worshipping catholics don't have a longstanding personal relationship with the pope..

also got to hear Rush gloat over this item over the air:

Limbaugh safe from voter-fraud charges

he then announced that he has not yet determined who he will instruct the PA dem-registered dittoheads to vote for in April. Registration closed for the dem. primary last week.

At least he isn't safe from arteriosclerosis.

Gore on 60 Minutes

i heard an audio clip on Dean on the radio just now that seemed like he was ever so gently urging the 400 (or so) uncommitted superdelegates to start endorsing.

reid earlier this week Reid said he'd just talked with Dean and that this wouldn't stretch on to the convention and that they were "working on it" or something; within a few days Obama endorsements started showing up, in conjunction with this Leahy thing, so I expect this to just continue over the next few weeks.

i don't think gore will endorse or anything on 60 minutes, give me a break. Gore's attentions are 100% completely pointed at the issue of global warming. I have a feeling the guy has a personal disdain for political circus at this point.

I would too if I were him.

and yeah it looks like the party leadership is finally ramping up pressure to get the superdelegates to commit and finish this. even though, I don't expect Hillary to cave until after PA.

I would too if I were him.

i don't think gore will endorse or anything on 60 minutes, give me a break.

of course he won't endorse, but this...

Gore's attentions are 100% completely pointed at the issue of global warming. I have a feeling the guy has a personal disdain for political circus at this point.

is ridiculous

it'd be funny if Gore got appointed head of the EPA

Not as funny if he got the support of the army after McCain wins the election and pulls a coup d'etat.

I sort of buy the theory that Gore (and / or Edwards) is saving his endorsement as a "break glass only in case of convention clusterfuck" emergency measure

edwards is not endorsing because he wants a cabinet seat and doesn't want to endorse the wrong person.

i think gore wants obama simply because he hasnt endorsed clinton

Well, that and the fact that Gore hates Clinton.

um, yeah

why exactly does gore hate clinton? i keep hearing this.

Time Mag: Some insight into the Gore/Clinton split

edwards is not endorsing because he wants a cabinet seat and doesn't want to endorse the wrong person.

-- The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:36 (1 hour ago) Link

wait why would Edwards get a cabinet seat?

talk amongst yourself

everyone wants a cabinet seat!

Secretary of Hair?

hahahaha. "better" = no clandestine blowjobs, presumably?

Chelsea: Mom will be a better president than dad
Posted: 06:20 PM ET - CNN politics blog
Chelsea Clinton says she thinks her mom would be the better president.

(CNN) — It's a topic that would likely make for awkward conversation at a Clinton family dinner: Who would be the better president, Bill or Hillary?

But daughter Chelsea Clinton made her position on the matter clear Friday, saying unequivocally that she thinks her mom will make a better president than her dad.

"I don't take anything for granted, but hopefully with Pennsylvania's help, she will be our next president, and yes, I do think she'll be a better president," the former first daughter said during a campaign event in Allentown, Pennsylvania.

She did not elaborate on just why she thinks her mom would be the better commander-in-chief, but the former president himself made similar statements to an Israeli TV interviewer last November.

Bill Clinton said then he thought his wife would make the better president because she is more experienced than he was in 1992.

"In some ways she would be (better) because of what we did together," he said then. "First, she has the Senate experience I didn't have. Second, she would have had the eight years in the White House."

"I think she wouldn't make as many mistakes because, you know, we're older and more mature, and she is far more experienced now in all the relevant ways than I was when I took office," he added. "So I think in a way she has the best of both worlds."

No word on where Hillary herself comes down on the issue.

I do not like Chelsea Clinton.

hey she had "8 years experience" in the White House too, when is SHE gonna run for President?

she would be better, probably. so would a lot of people, including the other guy.

Barbara/Jenna 2016

I'm not sure that the media will be so pro Hilary after PA as some people think. After all, 'crazy Hil keeps going regardless' is a pretty good media narrative in its own right. I imagine the reports will be 'Hilary wins PA but...'.

But who knows really - I don't think people should get too worried either way about PA.

There's all this talk about how Hillary can't possibly win the nomination, but is she still in the race to show both her supporters and the electroate in general that she has heart, is a tough fighter, isn't some pussy broad, or is she just deluded? If I didn't dislike her negative campaigning, I could excuse her at least giving her staff and supporters a run as far as she could get.

I don't know anyone -- even Rush supporters -- who think she's a pussy broad. Quite the opposite.

Fair enough. I just meant that as the first woman to have a fighting chance of getting elected, she maybe feels she owes it to posterity to show her mettle.

the downside of all this "Hillary GTFO" noise is how her campaign will try to make PA sound like a huge upset with admonishments in high dudgeon about voters' rights in remaining states and tones of reverence about hillary's persistence and courage, blah blah blah i can't take it fuck kill it kill the primary now plz plz plz

-- elmo argonaut, Friday, March 28, 2008 2:00 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Absolutely, totally OTFM. It's a neverending cycle.

Is anyone else absolutely terrified that the Dems might lose yet again? I need the Dems to get it together ASAP.

Absolutely terrified? No, but I wouldn't entirely be surprised.

Nothing would surprise me.

That said I don't think it likely that Dems will lose for any of the reasons that people are hand-wringing about right now. If this actually goes on unresolved until Denver thats another matter.

This looks like classic circular firing squad behavior to me. I thought a Barbie Dream House would crush McCain a few weeks ago, but now I'm nervous.

I get kinda terrified, to be honest. I think the next 10 years or so are gonna be more important than the last 20, and that bad governments now will cause a huge amount of suffering. But when I get too stressed by it all I think it's a good idea to listen to a great album, talk to family and friends (not about politics) or just soak up the weather/countryside etc. Politics is important, but it's good to give yourself a break now and again.

You want "narratives"? The "narrative" the media is writing now is that more delay will "break the party," which is total nonsense and shows an ignorance of history. 2004 was unusual in that Kerry's early primary wins confirmed his chances, and 2000 starred the vice-president of a moderately popular two-term president.

think the next 10 years or so are gonna be more important than the last 20, and that bad governments now will cause a huge amount of suffering.

Devolution, baby. Things always get worse. Always expect the worst.

I'm not being cynical. Stop watching cable news and the polls. It's only fucking March.

Yeah I forget wasn't Super Tuesday like three weeks ago

What depresses me more than anything, though, is that regardless of who wins the nom, the most rabid supporters of both are already prepared to blame the loss on "nominating the wrong candidate"

what loss come on everyone we gonna crush that old man!

dont be mean to morbs joe

haw

dag

lol

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