i'm surprised that everyone's saying clinton's flaw was "untrustworthiness" - he was a dlc democrat for years and that's exactly what we got; i think he actually tried to follow through on pretty much everything he said he would
to me his tragic flaw was his charm - he could charm the pants off anyone, and it brought his world down around his ears
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:20 (sixteen years ago) link
I followed the '84 race when I was 8 </gabbneb>
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:21 (sixteen years ago) link
those things are the same thing!
xpost to tracer hand
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:21 (sixteen years ago) link
liberals were blinded by triumphalism
Did liberals believe Clinton then? Most of'em were warily happy there was a Democrat in the WH.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:21 (sixteen years ago) link
untrustworthiness and charm are the same thing??
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:22 (sixteen years ago) link
gabbneb is a gr8 poster
― deej, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:23 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost
i can see how they'd be part of the same package for sure
btw the classic politician's answer to this question, which most of you have already made, is "sometimes i'm just too honest"
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:23 (sixteen years ago) link
suzy is surprisingly inclusive with her class-hatreds
lol
― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:23 (sixteen years ago) link
charm at its logical endpoint is about misleading, i think!
xposts
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:23 (sixteen years ago) link
I have a hazy memory of announcing to my first-grade teacher I was a Mondale fan, but I have no idea why: probably just picked up bits of conversation from my parents.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:23 (sixteen years ago) link
I was the only Mondale fan in my elementary school, and I did it just to be contrarian (and Reagan creeped me out even then).
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:26 (sixteen years ago) link
back in '92 before the election some friends and i walked around the playground chanting "clin-ton."
― deej, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link
Friends With Money is good
― Surmounter, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link
haha i remember seein pictures on the news of the available candidates (= nixon, humphrey, wallace) and thinkin THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME ie UGLY, i shall vote for NONE OF THEM
i was 8 and my policy analysis stands
― mark s, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link
I was one of three kids (out of 25 or 30) in my 5th-grade class who voted for Dukakis in a mock election. I was also the only white kid who did so.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:28 (sixteen years ago) link
the Hitchens book ethan mentioned has a fairly detailed indictment of Clinton's war on welfare, if you get past the author's breathless rhetoric.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:32 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah if he would chill with how clinton is the worst man in history who violently rapes every woman in sight its actually a substantive policy critique from the left
― and what, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link
i was pro-clinton in 2nd grade because my parents told me to be so
― max, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:35 (sixteen years ago) link
and im pro-obama now because my college tells me to be so
if im lucky i wont ever have to make a decision in my life
― max, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link
i voted bush in my fourth grade mock election because my dad voted republican. ;_;
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link
i would have been mean to you as i was instructed to be mean to bush supporters by my parents
― max, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:37 (sixteen years ago) link
you wouldn't even have been alive! it was bush v. dukakis.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:38 (sixteen years ago) link
:( i would have been 3
― max, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, elementary-school mock elections are just a handy way for teachers to assay the political opinions of their students' parents.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link
challenging opinions
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I remember a surprising amount of support for Perot in 9th grade, though.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:40 (sixteen years ago) link
i voted for dole as a joke ;)
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:41 (sixteen years ago) link
good joke dude
― max, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:42 (sixteen years ago) link
i vote for dole pineapples
― deej, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:43 (sixteen years ago) link
i felt bad for him like when he fell and his shriveled up arm that he got from war heroism
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:45 (sixteen years ago) link
are you going to send a sympathy vote to john mccain? i guess he hasn't fallen yet.
― deej, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:46 (sixteen years ago) link
if he falls then maybe - hes way less pitiful than dole - but most people are
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:47 (sixteen years ago) link
arm not working at all > arm not working above shoulder
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― John Justen, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:47 (sixteen years ago) link
i liked carter in 80 cuz of georgia, root for the home boy (80 was a big year for georgia in general) and also cuz the only ronald i knew was ronald mcdonald and who in the world would vote ronald mcdonald for president. i was SHOCKED when he won.
― balls, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:48 (sixteen years ago) link
jj ty for bringing this thread back to the real issues
― max, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:48 (sixteen years ago) link
mcdonald/grimace 08
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:49 (sixteen years ago) link
i argued for carter in my 6th-grade presidential debate in 1980. i was 11. i have no idea what i said, but i remember being pwned by the girl who was repping for john anderson (brainy cute girl named dee-dee, with big glasses; i had a secret crush on her). i remember her going off about "now we've got these gas prices and hostages everywhere!"
― tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:50 (sixteen years ago) link
wow you grew up in a doonesbury strip
― max, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:51 (sixteen years ago) link
my brother supported Bush when he was 4 because he liked shrubbery
― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:53 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost it felt more like peanuts.
― tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:54 (sixteen years ago) link
tipsy you could have killed her on "these gas prices everywhere" -- anderson was proposing a 50¢ per gallon gas tax
― mark s, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:55 (sixteen years ago) link
lol curtis is that true
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 22:56 (sixteen years ago) link
now i feel like i let jimmy down.
― tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 23:03 (sixteen years ago) link
LOL at 'job in muppet museum'; people who spend any time hating on me clearly need other occupations besides this - I spend zero time on hating you. Really. Also it's just American ickleboys of a certain vintage, nobody else gives a shit.
Pragmatism over Obama should probably rule the day. I've gotta say I've got major empathy for a single-parent/child of divorce guy who worked his arse off for scholarships; remember 'bittergate' (agh) was friendly fire from an On the Bus person and perhaps rich schmucks really threatened by such a possibility for dialogue on class, so put the boot in, at least once this broke. I would not be at all surprised, they like the general public to stay stupid and obsess over trivialities.
Can remember supporting Carter when I was eight; neighbour kid wrote to him with pointers for dealing with getting bullied by GOP and wangled invite to the inauguration (same kid is now radical left minister). HATED Reagan because by this time a) political grandmother went all Body Snatchers/ 'that broken down cowboy actor' whenever he was on TV b) Iran hostages freed on day of inauguration looked fishy as fuck even to 11-year-old me.
― suzy, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 23:27 (sixteen years ago) link
never underestimate the shrubbery vote
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 23:58 (sixteen years ago) link
http://content.ytmnd.com/content/0/f/8/0f86da785ddaf8004a05a12d0a3dd38d.jpg
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 1 May 2008 00:33 (sixteen years ago) link
^ ban
In Kindergarten I voted for Ronald Reagan in the school election. When my (liberal) parents asked why, I said "He lost the debate, so I wanted him to win something."
― Hurting 2, Thursday, 1 May 2008 00:57 (sixteen years ago) link