Jean-Luc Godard: S and D

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also that, i didnt send you mail, looks like im disgusted? sorry! you know alot! im only perplexed by your godard reservations, wherever they escape the like litany? bc you know alot abt him too i see

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 11 July 2005 06:13 (twenty years ago)

oh i like godard well enough i just enjoy making fun of him, because his pronouncements are taken so seriously... but more in france than here maybe?

i'm sorry but i can't quite parse the tone or meaning of your posts so i'm not sure how to respond.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 11 July 2005 06:18 (twenty years ago)

i dont think his pronouncements are taken seriously at all! but ive never spent as it were time in france. for specificity in winter i did a writeup of how fred wisemans neiman marcus doc, called like store, is, if knowingly, if a priori, so much like shoah. i mean i believe theres such a thing as academics and rosenbaum taking godard seriously but in my exp theyve never seen the rarer films, haha, like this ws dutch painting, and no one else is bringing this kind of hybrid moral aesthete imperitive to film? but im young, i hope. but forget that, i take godard cuz i cn legit say he embraced tv and hes not here to look down his nose at it. oh dear, quite

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 11 July 2005 06:34 (twenty years ago)

dutch painting or truffles!

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 11 July 2005 06:35 (twenty years ago)

are you louis menand?

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 11 July 2005 06:41 (twenty years ago)

haha! im 22, all i mean physically is that i take certain of godards pronouncements serious, namely that narrative is dangerous, particularly when talking history, a kind of supremacist move, even inevitable, not that he or anyone wd endorse such a paraphrase! and im curious abt the dissent, a dissent im not skeptical abt! also drunk, yes

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 11 July 2005 06:50 (twenty years ago)

haha i can sorta see this exchange taking place in a godard film!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 11 July 2005 06:57 (twenty years ago)

narrative is dangerous, particularly when talking history

so much more dangerous than advocating maoist revolution!

― N_RQ, Monday, 11 July 2005 07:55 (twenty years ago)

plz

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

narrative is not 'dangerous'.

― N_RQ, Monday, 11 July 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

i dont know much abt the cultural revolution. neither did godard obviously. but the stereotype is it entailed a gd deal of the iconography, the us and them, the separation i believe narrative cn engender. it cld be this stretch is so malleable and universal to be useless as a political concept, or tool. unless you yourself are a filmmaker! or it cld be that the cultural revolution had nothing to do with storytelling

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

bad people tell bad stories /= stories are bad

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

maybe that's not even godard's notion, but his rhetorical style these days is to alternate between outrageous pith and high-grade obscurantism so who knows?

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

There are certain ILE posters who play that same game. (Insert Ned R. emoticon to undercut the dig.)

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

i think for godard its more like, who has the right to tell what story, and how, usually w reference to the holocaust. i wish hed address like russia or china, get away from the eu 25, actually. i guess occasionally i believe in such a thing as bad stories more than i believe in such a thing as bad ppl. not always

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

i like that hes so stubburn, repeats himself, in interviews and the late films, the same quotes again and again, kind of testing the usefulness of language, of simon weil or whatever. i also think they air out a gd deal w rewatching, if theres time to be so willful and antisocial, not minding the pith, probably excusing it

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

There are certain ILE posters who play that same game

do you mean me???? i try pretty hard not to be obscure, well most of the time. i don't really see a value in being obscure. when i'm being obscure it's because i don't really have much to say or only a little to say and am trying to avoid people coming to that realization. but i'm trying to have that happen less and less.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

think for godard its more like, who has the right to tell what story, and how, usually w reference to the holocaust.

ray durgnat's posthumous thing in film comment recently was good on this point. for godard, spielberg isn't allowed to make a film about the resistance, but godard is allowed to make a film about the algerian war. hey-ho.

― n_RQ, Monday, 11 July 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

but godard is allowed to make a film about the algerian war.

And Palenstine!

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Monday, 11 July 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

"Palenstine"?! What the fuck is wrong with me?

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Monday, 11 July 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

My head now rings with the sound of Buck Owens singing "Palenstine was the first in line, and [fill-in-another-name-here] came up next"

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 11 July 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

im not sure godard has no regrets. i dont agree w his objections to spielberg but our backgrounds are different. i like the fantasy of a redemptive cinema, of making your film according to moral principles, by altering the form, not the subject. even if i dont find them compelling, or as compelling as the man! its kind of astonishing, his centrality

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 11 July 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

he does alot of shittalking tho yes!

― 007 (thoia), Monday, 11 July 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

do you mean me????

Only in the least denigratory manner possible. It comes from someone who thinks that Godard these days is, as per Network, crusty but benign.... er, neither does that mean I'm calling you crusty. Never mind.

but i'm trying to have that happen less and less.

Whereas Godard appears to be doing it on purpose more and more, I suppose.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 11 July 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

i dont see what we are talking abt wrt godards useless obscurity. is it allusion, disjunction, dbl entendre, metaphor, abstraction, mysticism, fable, wo attribution? im obscure cuz im not talking aloud, victorian, myself. ill kiss clarity and the explicit but i treasure the letter, the communique, the inside joke, btw 2 or 3, the jot to yourself, what any cpl of ppl cn make rt away of a single film. that is in a sense i see something that is not obscure, that is presuming an infinite audience, as threatening to be impersonal

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

nb ive always thot of godards allusion as a cock thing but its hilarious and wonderful how he justifies it

― 007 (thoia), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

i think i mention this on every jlg thread. i may even have done so on this one. but it is absolutely key not to get intimidated by the allusions because godard has never read a book in his life.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 07:33 (twenty years ago)

Doesn't he appear in Notre Musique reading a book?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

He was probably reading a page of a book. To watch him read a book from start to finish, that's a cinéma vérité we'll never see.

― k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...

I just finished the MacCabe book. It was decent, great in parts, but mostly unsatisfying. I would like to read a Godard autobiography!

Should I see La Chinoise?

― adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:54 (twenty years ago)

Is that the one about an airport?

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:54 (twenty years ago)

No it's the one about the young Marxist revolutionaries. Very talky. Kind of dry. Not my favorite Godard.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

i'd hit it. actually i did. it's a satire.

alba -- you mean 'the terminal'.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:07 (twenty years ago)

it is absolutely key not to get intimidated by the allusions because godard has never read a book in his life.

HE says... Like mid-'80s Morrissey's claims of celibacy, I bet.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:50 (twenty years ago)

obv i was exaggerating a bit, but it's something to hold in your hand.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 09:34 (twenty years ago)

Cinema is JLG trying to be quoted 24 times per second.

― Four Seasons, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 13:29 (twenty years ago)

In fact, I would posit that's the only thing that he and QT truly have in common.

Style over oeuvre!

― Four Seasons, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 13:33 (twenty years ago)

S: the inexplicable terrier in the final shot of Bande a Part.

― steviespitfire (steviespitfire), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:52 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

I see my library just got a copy of Notre Musique. Should I rent it?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 28 September 2007 18:16 (eighteen years ago)

I rent it when it ws available at mine. Its so incredibly disjointed -- there isn't enough of that energy you get between the formal stuff and simplicity of any of the message.

Watched "Elegy for Love", and I love the shots -- you still get the feeling he's out there somewhere with his digital camera (or whatever) and just getting his eye working, whether it ends on a film or not.

― xyzzzz__, Friday, 28 September 2007 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

I saw La Chinoise again last night and liked most parts I was awake for.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

I still haven't seen it yet but school library has the full Histoire(s) Du Cinema, which I'm desperate to see. Also one of my professors mentioned a recent study that proved Godard's quotations usually come from either the first or the last few pages of whatever text he is quoting from. So he's just like the rest of us, really.

― admrl, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

haha i am glad people are doing studies of that sort of thing.

tho i think jlg copped to it himself.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:22 (eighteen years ago)

"lols i haven't really read marx i was too busy sexing anna karina losers"

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

Wouldn't you?

― Tom D., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

well obv.

though i get the impression from the biogs that he wasn't rly, much...

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/culturevulture/vivresavieblog.jpg

― Tom D., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

No wonder she always looked so bored

― Tom D., Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

what did he see in Anna Wiazemsky tho?

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:32 (eighteen years ago)

she was a research project into lefty student youth, kindd of, plus she worked with bresson.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 17:34 (eighteen years ago)

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