Zach Braff: Voice of our Generation

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king of queens blows though jordan, i'm not stumping for that chub

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't wait for this 30 rock to come out on DVD. Sounds awesome.

Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Theory: people who hate Scrubs are secretly afraid that there's rather too much of the Zach Braffs about them?

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link

TRUTH PARRY

Scrubs is OK (tho the 1 ep I saw this season was baaaaaaaad)
Dr. Cox is awesome
AD is great
30 Rock is godhead

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

you guys are WRONG. if they got rid of the chick KofQ would be almost perfect

sunny successor agrees: gay dad always trumps slutty mom (katharine), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

What about "Campus Ladies"? I'm kind of in love with this show.

It's on Oxygen. I don't know if men will find it amusing. This week, the ladies take 'shrooms. It's going to be a delight.

molly mummenschanz (mollyd), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Campus Ladies is pretty funny, I never know when it's on though. I give my parents crap for watching K o' Q every day in syndication but honestly it's not bad for what it is. Even ignoring Braff everyone on Scrubs overacts horribly. AD is overrated but still great. Alec Baldwin is basically the best dude. These are my opinions as an American

A B C (sparklecock), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha the best dude out of all dudes, yes.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 12 January 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

After 30 Rock and the Departed I have a huge crush on Alec Baldwin, which is deeply worrying.

N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Friday, 12 January 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

No, it's not. That's no crush of shame. I have a crush on Alec Baldwin, in a strictly man way.

there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link

According to Jim is the greatest show of the last 20 years.


j/k ; P

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 12 January 2007 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I like him better now. He used to be so handsome it was a little creepy.

there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

The image doesn't work but lol @ "fatalec.jpg"

A B C (sparklecock), Friday, 12 January 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

is baldwin a vulcan?

max (maxreax), Friday, 12 January 2007 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

OK I am about to sound like a lame-ass getting specific about this, but: Scrubs is both funny AND CUTE, kinda. I'm not gonna hate on the parts where the cuteness works. Some of the humor can be a little bit self-satisfied in its wacky preciousness, but even in those cases it does it with a kind of devil-may-care confidence that keeps it working. This show and That 70s Show started up in similar time-frames, if I remember right, and they seem kinda similar on that front -- the way they kinda toss plausibility and set the whole thing within the characters' own imaginary world? (See also how on both shows half the humor stems from characters playing ridiculous games/pranks with one another, as if they're just bored.) Scrubs's dramatic moments tend to be awfully lame, no doubt, and the rigid three-act structure is as laughable as that of Sex and the City, and exactly the same --

1.
- voice-over introduces episode's thematic topic ("in a hospital you depend on your coworkers" / "in New York we like men and shoes")
- scenes establish each character's activities

2.
- conflicts arise in each storyline
- voice-over points out thematic questions uniting them all ("sometimes you realize your friends aren't there for you ... or your relationship isn't as strong as you thought" / "I couldn't help but wonder ... were men the new shoes?")

3.
- conflicts resolve
- voice-over unites all resolutions under one banner ("maybe the person you least expect is looking out for you ... or maybe you realize your girlfriend cares about you more than you thought" / "but it was summer in New York, and I had some fabulous shoes")

-- which, as above, is lame, but if you're the sort of person who can enjoy watching a Sex and the City episode and betting on whether Carrie will say "I couldn't help but wonder," "I had to ask," or "OTHER," then you can probably forgive the rigid blocks in there and just wait for Donald Faison to be awesome again.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 12 January 2007 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

how do I shot voice-overs

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 January 2007 21:59 (seventeen years ago) link

that 70s show is really underrated. that cast had a real good chemistry i thought. for trad sitcoms nowadays, i'm a sucker for two and a half men and how i met yr mother.

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 12 January 2007 21:59 (seventeen years ago) link

the acting on that 70's show was really good. this is really obvious when you watch something terrible like "according to jim" or "the war at home" or something equally awful. how I met your mother is great, except for the pretty canadian girl, although her acting might be properly attributed to her character's canadian-ness

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 12 January 2007 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

ugh, 'that 70s show'

‘•’u (gear), Friday, 12 January 2007 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

i guess i'm 'ugh' over the last 3-4 seasons. the first 3 were pretty solid.

‘•’u (gear), Friday, 12 January 2007 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link

fez went from being likable to being a prick, which probably coincided with wilmer starting to score with every barely-legal young hollywood party girl around. and i think laura prepon is a terrible actress.

‘•’u (gear), Friday, 12 January 2007 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link

scrubs, directed by Terrance Mallick

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 12 January 2007 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Best thing about 70's Show: the parents.

there to preserve disorder (kenan), Friday, 12 January 2007 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

jackie has been my role model for years.

here, jackie wearing jackie:

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/941/jackiege8.jpg

sunny successor agrees: gay dad always trumps slutty mom (katharine), Friday, 12 January 2007 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link

that last 30 rock sorta sucked tho, compared to the usual standards.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link

"laura prepon is a terrible actress."

She's the poor man's ScarJo!

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

(also totally hotter than ScarJo - at least back when she was a redhead - but maybe that's just me)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I just realized who Dr. Cox is, and let me tell you something: besides the ever-repellent Zach Barff, Dr. Cox is a *major* reason that I hate this show. Also, Turk. 3 actors/characters that I simply can not stand. Dr. Cox and Braff run neck-and-neck for biggest turn-off.

("Well, why do you watch it," You ask? I try not to, but sometimes we have to put friendship above taste in TV. However, I do reserve the right groan and grimace when it's on.)

a puppy holding a miller high life bottle (unclejessjess), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Not liking Donald Faison = being a bad person.

nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 13 January 2007 00:06 (seventeen years ago) link

donald faison made clueless the film that it was

max (maxreax), Saturday, 13 January 2007 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Dr. Cox was okay in Platoon. Nabisco OTM about all these shows' annoying formulas tho.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 13 January 2007 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link

i think nabisco's point was how their annoying formulae made them so watchable!

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 13 January 2007 01:39 (seventeen years ago) link

But from my point of view the Jedi are evil

A B C (sparklecock), Saturday, 13 January 2007 01:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I might be agnostic on the annoying formula, but yeah, leaning toward favoring them. I mean, it's a sitcom, that reassuring structure is part of the point. And while laying out the themes always seems sophomoric, it's like a total of thirty seconds of voice-over -- just a tiny formulaic tic that kinda goes with the territory.

Also I wanted to point out that Turk is kind of the best-developed black character I know of on network television! Or at least he's not slotted into a black-character "type" or just totally racially ignored. He's a recognizable type of person who is just about never protrayed on television or in film, which I totally appreciate.

(Also I remembered the root-level parallel with That 70s Show, which is that the humor always comes back to every character being lame or geeky, as opposed to the old sitcom model where characters are blowhards or straight-men or toughs or whatever -- this is part of why it can read as too precious or cutesy sometimes, sure, but I think mostly it comes off actually lovable.)

nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 13 January 2007 01:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Scrubs is one of my favourite shows on TV... it's total bubblebath.

There.

(Runs away.)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Dr. Cox is a *major* reason that I hate this show

But but... he's such a witty asshole! He's the only reason I LIKE the show, most of the time. You don't like House, either... I'm sensing a trend. You don't like characters who are big fat jerks. I, on the other hand, love them. I wonder what that means. Hmmm.

there to preserve disorder (kenan), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe it's that I secretly wish I could get away with being such a jerk (though in real life, no one can), and you see jerks on TV as just jerks without the necessary element of detachment.

there to preserve disorder (kenan), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno, I have enjoyed patterning myself after Lucille/Dr. Cox's Wife for a while now...

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

haha

Jordan. Jordan is great.

there to preserve disorder (kenan), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

But surely when you pattern yourself after such a character, it's the wit that you want to emulate, and not the more indefensible characteristics.

there to preserve disorder (kenan), Saturday, 13 January 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

What, like being a jerk?

Laurel (Laurel), Saturday, 13 January 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

No, I'm fine with that, as long as you're a witty jerk. But the jerk always learns his lesson in one way or another.

This is why I love the movie Groundhog Day. He stops being a jerk, but he doesn't lose the wit.

there to preserve disorder (kenan), Saturday, 13 January 2007 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG, WE'VE FINALLY FOUND HIS MUSE

Jeff. (Jeff), Monday, 15 January 2007 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost - I LOVE characters who are assholes! Lucillle Bluth, Ricky Gervais, Ab-Fab women, etc. I just hate House b/c the show (the few times I have seen it) seems to rely way too heavily on his asshole-dom (same with Monk and the OCD).

a puppy holding a miller high life bottle (unclejessjess), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 05:25 (seventeen years ago) link

He says, "To have millions of people go, 'I watched your movie and related' was the ultimate affirmation that I'm not a freak."

How out of touch with the world around you do you have to be to think that mild depression would make you a freak?

there to preserve disorder (kenan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 07:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Mild depression is a blessing, 'round my social circles. Mr. Braff, have you ever gone days without bathing or getting out of bed? No? Then you're fine. Shut up.

there to preserve disorder (kenan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 07:23 (seventeen years ago) link

He doesn't play the image game! That's why he's so inconsistent and we can't stereotype him, because he doesn't have a well-tuned image.

mh. (mike h.), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Ok, maybe I'm just a sucker for singing and dancing, but the Scrubs musical was pretty cute.

Charlie Brown (kenan), Friday, 19 January 2007 02:26 (seventeen years ago) link

an alum from elmo.oxygen + my high school directed it

ewe never broke yr treo 4ever (ex machina), Friday, 19 January 2007 06:54 (seventeen years ago) link


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