Including thirty minutes of "and you were there, and you were there, and you were there..."
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Other pilot producers must be SO fucking jealous of this movie.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Lynch has always had a thing for the Wizard of Oz
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Huh? Really? It seems pretty straightforward, honestly.
Hmm...Do you have theories about Gravity's Rainbow?
― Bob Six, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:49 (sixteen years ago) link
gravity's rainbow is about transcendence
― akm, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:55 (sixteen years ago) link
You seem far more convinced about the 'dream' ending than anyone I know, Anthony.
― milo z, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:57 (sixteen years ago) link
It's admittedly not as fun as the other theories, even though it makes perfect sense and there's nothing in the film that really contradicts it. You might wonder why her dream has subplots, but that's because Lynch didn't bother to change anything about the pilot to fit the ending he was paid to tack onto it.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:17 (sixteen years ago) link
It's all Octopus Grigori's fantasy of human life.
― rogermexico., Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Ending is more Return To Oz than Wizard Of Oz, though.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:22 (sixteen years ago) link
The dream theory is otm. But it doesn't just end with "it was all a dream lol!" The harsh reality gives the dream a lot of weight.
― chaki, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:25 (sixteen years ago) link
i dunno the tiny tourists were pretty lol in my row
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:26 (sixteen years ago) link
tourists = her parents irl
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:27 (sixteen years ago) link
monster/homeless guy = her high school gym teacher
cowboy walking across the restaurant = god
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:28 (sixteen years ago) link
This was a better abstract look at the agony of being Naomi Watts than <i>Ring: Two</i>, I'll admit.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:29 (sixteen years ago) link
billy ray cyrus = toto
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link
that look at her breasteses sure wasn't abstract!
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:31 (sixteen years ago) link
the titty scene was amazing, I've never claimed otherwise
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:31 (sixteen years ago) link
i think we can all agree on that one
― chaki, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:34 (sixteen years ago) link
David Lynch initially resisted Studio Canal's offer to provide additional funds to complete the TV pilot as a feature film. Lynch's battles with ABC network executives had left him with a negative feeling about the project and the director felt he had run out of ideas for the storyline. When Lynch finally agreed to revisit the film, much to his horror he found that all the sets had been destroyed, and all of the costumes and props had been released by ABC (normally all sets, props and costumes for a possible TV series are carefully cataloged and stored for future use). Lynch claims this setback actually proved a blessing in disguise, however, when it finally generated new ideas about how to proceed with filming, and the director was able to come up with a satisfying conclusion to the story.
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The theatrical version contains 26 minutes of newly shot and restored footage; the TV version of Mullholand Drive, shot in 1999, originally ran at just over 100 minutes and ended at Betty's apartment after helping Rita cut her hair and put a blond wig on; an additional deleted scene had Betty running out of the apartment to the roof where Rita joined her and both of them looking out over Los Angeles where Betty says "I have arrived" and Rita saying the same. The final shot in the TV pilot version has the mysterious bum sitting in the alley behind Winkie's Restaurant and holding the mysterious blue box. New footage shot for the theatrical version includes:
* The theatrical ending where David Lynch goes back and tells the story of Diane; in the TV pilot, it ends where Rita (Camilla) opens the mysterious blue box. * An additional 6 minutes of expanded 'reshoots' that Studio Canal had David Lynch shoot for the theatrical release.
I always wondered if the tittays were part of said 6 minutes.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I recall Lynch, on news of the film version, enthusing to one of the female principles "AND THERE'S GOING TO BE NUDITY!"
― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:42 (sixteen years ago) link
http://a255.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/28/l_f066b305ab7e9bcfc5a60af58edee766.jpg
BOO!
― Alex in NYC, Monday, 10 December 2007 02:30 (sixteen years ago) link
D:
― W4LTER, Monday, 10 December 2007 08:06 (sixteen years ago) link
the audtion scene is perhaps one of the greatest pieces of cinema evah.
Tim Finney otm 7 years ago. Stunning. Should have won an Oscar on its own, maybe.
This movie broke my brain. Although a couple of ILX posts have subsequently made most of it make some sort of sense. Most.
Can a mod amend the title so as it's spelt correctly?
Botched killing, audition scene, theatre scene, and a few others = stone classic
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Monday, 4 January 2010 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link
loved the stupid director in that audition scene btw. 'humanistic'! just as you'd imagine a stupid director to be.
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Monday, 4 January 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
That actor, James Karen, was best known for years in the US as the pitchman for the Pathmark supermarket chain.
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 January 2010 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link
If and when kenan comes to post in this thread - I just want to remind him not to fuck my mother - that's all.
― sarahel, Monday, 4 January 2010 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Which audition scene? The awkward script reading or the magic 50's studio set Camilla Rhodes lip sync (which I've told people before is probably my single favorite scene of any movie of all time)
― Without Curves, I would feel deflated. I like Curves. They are best. (Stevie D), Monday, 4 January 2010 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link
There's a whole raft of amazing bit-part players. I think this is a deliberate ploy. To what extent is this film about the fractal nature of film? The subdivided experience of connected whims? I say this because for the first half at least, the film seems to be a collection of scenes, before it becomes a strangely contiguous albeit difficult whole.
The non-awkward and utterly thrilling script reading, my dear Stevie. "like in the movies"
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Monday, 4 January 2010 19:53 (fourteen years ago) link
The first of those scenes is the transformative one -- I was utterly astonished by it -- cuz Watts shows something that has no way been shown in her character (or in her performance) til that point.
xp
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 January 2010 19:54 (fourteen years ago) link
(not to mention, she's doing a dry hump w/ CHAD EVERETT)
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 January 2010 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Monday, January 4, 2010 2:54 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^ this
― meryl streep post-brazilian (s1ocki), Monday, 4 January 2010 19:56 (fourteen years ago) link
I didn't work out Diane and Betty were the same person until after the movie ended. I was frantically piecing it together but it didn't quite hit until afterwards. (I thought Diane was that waitress! But that was Naomi Watts too, wasn't it?) I didn't work out that the two women practising the audition wasn't a real scene until halfway through. But on this latter point at least, I think I'm probably quite dense.
That script-reading scene, like a few others but more so, feels like a 'classic Hollywood scene' and was intended to feel so. But it's artificial! It's created in modern-day cynical Hollywood, and it's a facsimile of a scene by definition. BUT it's a classic Hollywood scene, no inverted commas. Plus, yes, she becomes an actress in that scene, and in the process becomes a real human. I think therein lies a key to the movie? Authenticity through pretence? Movies being real?
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Monday, 4 January 2010 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link
movie would've been better with tiny old people running around the entire time
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link
this movie had good scenes but struck me as super lazy
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link
how
― meryl streep post-brazilian (s1ocki), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:02 (fourteen years ago) link
really? compared to what, Saw VI?
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:03 (fourteen years ago) link
at some point dude was just like hay lets put this here, let's make this shit about some box, lets uhhhh, uhhhhhcredits
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link
"Sum'n bit me BAD!"
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link
sspfw, I think you are confusing Lynch w/ the television program "Lost"
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link
i think what uhoh is referring to is the difficulty of turning a tv pilot into a cinematic film... i have a dvd copy of the unedited pilot, 80% of which ends up in MD the film. you can tell where lynch had to adapt more to reach more a cinematic arc than keeping it fit for TV.
that said, i think uhoh couldn't be more off the mark that it was lazy filmmaking.
― ┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:08 (fourteen years ago) link
all in all the movie was pretty bold and great but everything felt super rushed, I love lynch btw
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:08 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah maybe lazy was too harsh, dude was just working with what he had
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm not gonna retract what I thought about the old people running around all the time tho
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link
anyone gonna help me out with my thoughts here or at least call me dumb or w/e...i think it's important i understand how this film relates to film...its combination of trope and innovation surely contains filmic quintessence?
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link
a combination of trope and innovation
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link
OH MY GOD tell us abt the DVD pilot! Are all the scenes in mostly the same order? What sort of direction does it take? What's in the scenes that were removed?
― Without Curves, I would feel deflated. I like Curves. They are best. (Stevie D), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Monday, January 4, 2010 3:11 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
not sure what you're getting at there but the parts of the movie where the film seems to wobble and actually go off the gate could be what you're looking for
― meryl streep post-brazilian (s1ocki), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link
...I'm sorta hitting at the film's insistence on placing genuinely classic scenes within a framework that first isolates them and projects them as classic scenes, before somehow incorporating them within a fractal narrative of repeating movie-ness, which comes to define the projection
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link
stevie d,check here:http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=mulholland+drive+tv+pilot
i'll try to find a copy online and if not i'll u/l mine.
― ┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Monday, 4 January 2010 20:20 (fourteen years ago) link