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Well spotted N_RQ !

Any of you here at all concerned that these supposed suicide bombers bought return train tickets, pay and display tickets, carried all their personal documentation on them. Hardly the way of a die hard suicide bomber is it, appears they expected to be going home.

Woner why they didn't blow up their bombs somewhere far more crowded, surely any trained Jihadist would of wanted to go for mass casualties right? why then a subway train carriage, sealed by steel and seperated from other carriages? don't very smart was it?

Do you find it odd that the media originally told us the explosives were of military design and later changed that to homemade?! quite a big leap don't you think? were the Forensic scientist's new hires do you suppose or perhaps drunk or hire on life?

How did the 'police' manage to decide, from the thoudands upon thousands of CCTV footage and thousands upon thousands of commutors who were the bombers and who were not?

In fact what actual Proof do you have there were any bombers at all?

What do you make of this eye witness claiming the bomb was UNDER the train and not, as suggested, in a rucksack or being carried and/or supervised by an 'asian' man?

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2005/07/11/83e33146-09af-4421-b2f4-1779a86926f9.lpf

Questions questions questions. Never assume anything. It makes and ASS out of U and ME

Your friend,


Philip Howe, Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

Your friend,

You're nuts

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)

you seem to know an awful lot about the mindset of suicide bombers.

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

Hardly the way of a die hard suicide bomber is it, appears they expected to be going home.

If they weren't expecting to die then that's extraordinary naivety/delusion/arroganc for all four of them to not expect to be caught - unless that was also the intention.


Going back to the shooting, because a lot of people at the time thought it odd that someone involved in the bomb attempts would still be in the capital the next day, what exactly was the logic/intelligence the police were working from when pursuing de Menezes?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:13 (twenty years ago)

If it's conspiracies you're looking for, perhaps someone can tell me why return train tickets cost about 10p more than single tickets on British trains.

Pick that one out of the back of the net!

Also, were they day return tickets or seven day return tickets, or perhaps even open returns, despite the increased cost? Because if they don't coincide with the alleged seven day parking ticket, I smell a rat.

2-0!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

you seem to know an awful lot about the mindset of suicide bombers.
-- toby (toby_insertmysurnameher...), July 28th, 2005 12:09 PM. (tsg20) (later)

not to mention the scientific credibilities of the media.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:15 (twenty years ago)

I think the question on all our lips is:

Did they get a groupsave and get 4 tickets for the price of 2?

Ed (dali), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Huw Edwards hosts Questions of Security: A BBC News Special tonight at 10.35 on BBC1.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)

last night = security alert at Kingsx from what I could make out, our Victoria line train stopped but they let no-one off. Of course, the bloke next to me was tutting and huffing as it was all making him late - the tosser

Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)

Do you find it odd that the media originally told us the explosives were of military design and later changed that to homemade?! quite a big leap don't you think?

I love the way that when the media were reporting that the explosives were military-style, you jumped on it as proof that it was arranged by the government. Then, after the story changed, you, um, jumped on it as proof that it was arranged by the government.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)


And my sincerest apologies for the spelling mistakes and typo's. I am British though moved to Holland some time ago, My grammar is a bit rusty ;0)

Toby said:-

'you seem to know an awful lot about the mindset of suicide bombers. '

Well Toby such is the wonders of education and historical study, tends to teach you things you might not of previously known.

Anyone with even a general understanding of Suicide bombers is well aware of the traits by which you can identifiy them. All of which are sadly lacking in the persona's of these patsies.

Above all else you should find it very odd that they left no record, no suicide note, no proud declaration to Islam, no nothing. I repeat nothing. There is evidence that they were double crossed by a mastermind, now does that sound like the kind of thing a Fundamentalist mastermind does to a fellow Muslim? absolutely not. It is however exactly the way of a Black Ops, i.e. M15/MI6. Many of you are perhaps to young to remember that the MI5 were caught many times planting bombs, blowing things up, and trying to blame it on the IRA.

State sponsored terrorism is about as old as the wheel. One of the oldest and most used political tactics in history, but again, A study of history would be required to know this. Might I suggest starting with the Reichstag fire, Hitler's own act of state sponsored terror ultimately gave him bot the power and support he required to launch his nefarious agenda.

We cannot afford to know the truth retroactively this time around. By then it may be too late.


Your friend,


Philip Howe, Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:18 (twenty years ago)

i wonder if it's a train+travelcard ticket that they've got.

i mean, it'd be dumb to buy a single ticket from luton, and THEN queue up for FUCKING AGES at kings cross at rush hour behind some tourist dude, trying to get a travelcard, when you have a bomb in your rucksack, is it?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:18 (twenty years ago)

xpost haha Ed!

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:19 (twenty years ago)

In fact what actual Proof do you have there were any bombers at all?

All the dead people? The bus ripped open like a fucking bean can?

Never assume anything. It makes and ASS out of U and ME
There is no I in TEAM, but there's a U in CUNT.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)

tomorrow's headline "Terrorists Spongers Took Advantage Of Groupsave Scheme"

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)

It will clash with Newsnight with Gavin Esler, that Huw Edwards programme. That is highly suspicious.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:23 (twenty years ago)

hey phil, i might be missing something here, but can you answer me one simple question?

why would MI5 / MI6 /the government / the royal family / whoever *want* to blow up buses and trains in london? i mean, what would they have to gain?

michael grant (michael digby grant), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

i think i'm too young to remember MI5 planting bombs to frame it on IRA, i am interested in this! Fill me in!

p.s. blue england football tops peter
http://www.englandfootballonline.com/images/Uniforms/EngUnif1996A.jpg

and this yummy one

http://www.thefa.com/NR/rdonlyres/AE8D047B-54F7-467B-99B1-B7A53F1A5B64/55996/DennisWise_1991_vTur_L.jpg

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:29 (twenty years ago)

Might I suggest starting with the Reichstag fire, Hitler's own act of state sponsored terror ultimately gave him bot the power and support he required to launch his nefarious agenda.

Hahah! So, what evidence is there that the Nazis started the Reichstag fire?

(note to people with no knowledge of German History: there isn't any. The Reichstag burning down was very convenient for Hitler, but what little evidence is available about it points to it having being started by a lone far-left nutter; and certainly to Hitler being surprised by it)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:29 (twenty years ago)

Oh yes, they are blue.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:30 (twenty years ago)

i think i'm too young to remember MI5 planting bombs to frame it on IRA, i am interested in this! Fill me in!

I'll fill you in. It didn't happen. Unless you're a mentalist.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:30 (twenty years ago)

you can buy shirts with the England badge on that are like polo shirts or other sports casual attire - perhaps the 'dark blue shirt' referred to was something along those lines.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:31 (twenty years ago)

I'd still like to know why the police thought a Brazilian Catholic who was still in London a day after the incidents may have had links to them, though it may have been explained somewhere.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

Whats going on at Euston?

Raston Warrior Robot (alix), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

Do you know why it isn't MI5/MI6/black helicopters etc. Because these places are staffed by humans and it only takes one of them to blow the whistle. Time and time again MI5/6 has been shown to be as leaky as a sieve and it isn't even beyond MI5 people to leave their bag in the back of a taxi.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

I'm interested in Phil's implication (on his blog) that the Met Office are involved in this. They could be considered the real experts in disinformation, after all.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

> no record, no suicide note, no proud declaration to Islam, no nothing. I repeat nothing.

er, that stuff that was posted on that website?

what you have to remember is that being a suicide bomber is a one-shot kind of deal, you don't have previous experience and you can't create patterns.

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)

Me Toff Ice = Me Ice Toff = I kill rich people = DYS!!!!!!

Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

Koogs, our friend here said nothing, and even repeated, nothing. Can't you see how serious he is??

(actually, he said "no nothing" which, as any fule kno, is something. Accept the truth!!)

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

ilx just got poxy fuled!! it's PROOF

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

what i'm really intrigued by is what is the beef that phil has with Strange Fruit

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

The MI5 likes off-kilter indie post-rock and ecletica?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

I was wondering if Phil was going to assume that we must be conspiring against him because the server called him a poxy fule.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

I'd still like to know why the police thought a Brazilian Catholic who was still in London a day after the incidents may have had links to them, though it may have been explained somewhere.
-- Sociah T Azzahole (stevem7...), July 28th, 2005.

he lived in the same block of flats that one of the bombers lived in. that's it.


(hahahaha kidding -- actually he was a high-level mossad agent who was about to take the story overground; the spetznatz agents who whomped him HAD to shut him down)

N_RQ, Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

what i'm really intrigued by is what is the beef that phil has with Strange Fruit

Rump roast?

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

re. the reichstag fire: you don't want to know why greek and swedish agents 'just happened' to be on a works outing in berlin that night, so i'll say no more of it.

N_RQ, Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

he lived in the same block of flats that one of the bombers lived in.

If one of the bombers lived there, why hasn't anyone from that building been arrested?

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

And what is the strange fruit that Phil has with his beef?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

Ugli (rumours) fruit

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

What's going on at Euston? Raston Warrior Robot has recevied no reply.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

If one of the bombers lived there, why hasn't anyone from that building been arrested?

i thought they had. dunno. the story was, an item found with the detonators last thursday implicated the block of flats the brazilian lived in. the police staked it out.

dunno, though.

i mean, one weird thing: running into the tube station is only a good getaway plan if you KNOW there is a train on the platform.

N_RQ, Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

And what is the strange fruit that Phil has with his beef?

aubergine, i assume

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

Anyone with even a general understanding of Suicide bombers is well aware of the traits by which you can identifiy them.

isn't that categorically false? otherwise, there'd be no problem rounding up all the likely suspects all over the world and just, you know, putting them somewhere safe? i thought this is one of those 'it's easy to find a pattern AFTER they're dead (which you maybe make up yourself) but is damn hard to actually make any sweeping generalisations about them or identify them?

colette (a2lette), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

Well you know some fo you seem intelligent, some of you seem less so and some of you simply prefer mud slinging and name calling over intelligent conversation.

It all good with me, I've been debating and researching for many many years and last time I checked had an IQ of 140, which supposedly makes me real smart, look see, I just killed a lizard by spitting my bacca at it, Mumma would be proud.

I only popped by becasue I saw a lot of hits coming from this forum. If you really want answers of the true kind then you ought to stop relying your own government who told you one of the biggest debunked conspiracy theories this decade- WMD in Iraq, hands up how many of you fell for that one? ... And you think they didn't already know there weren't any? lol! They were the ones who armed Saddam friends! of course they ficking knew!

If you want to trust proven liars who have thus far overseen the death of more than 100,000 Iraqi's then hell, good luck with that, we all have our purposes in this life no doubt.

But I think it best I leave you to it, do and think what you will, I may not agree with you but I would die for your right to speak freely.

Take care all, It would be an honour were you to stop my blog from time to time.

Thanks for your time,


Phil

Phil Howe, Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

Stockwell sounds a bit like Roswell. I'm only saying!

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

don't go phil! :(

WMD in Iraq, hands up how many of you fell for that one? ... And you think they didn't already know there weren't any? lol! They were the ones who armed Saddam friends! of course they ficking knew!

i didn't fall for it. but saddam DID once have wmd, right? he DID use chemical weapons on civilians, yeah?

N_RQ, Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

Not only that but HE USED THEM ON HIS OWN PEOPLE. I've never understood why this is worse than using them on anyone else's people.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

In front of that particular block of flats in Stockwell, just past the bus stop, there is a grassy knoll.

also "knoll" rhymes with "troll," as in "do not feed the."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

phil are you no longer our friend? :(

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

WMD in Iraq, hands up how many of you fell for that one?
I think around these parts the answer to that is Not Very Many.

Thanks for telling us your IQ. Well done clever clogs.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)


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