Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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Stevie G. to leave?

I have mixed feelings about this. The overwhelming one is "What a greedy blighter".

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 4 July 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

The timing seems rather perverse; if he'd gone 12 months ago few would have criticised him (his staying saw him elevated to saintly status; an old-fashioned pro with an admirable sense of loyalty to the club which made him) but now?

Meanwhile, Everton release Stubbs (the alternative was probably a gagging order on his speaking to the press) and are once again linked with Bellamy. Thanks but no thanks.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 4 July 2005 10:07 (twenty years ago)

A bit of honesty, at last.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

Stevie (T) is correct. So is Steady M. The situation is ridiculous. If Gerrard wanted to stay, he could stay. The idea that £100k / week is not enough for his talent is barmy and offensive. Maybe he should have been dragooned into some sort of Make Poverty History event, and that might have given him another perspective.

I don't think I understand or credit the notion, the claim, that LFC are freezing him out.

Dumbest line of the week: "if they sell him, they can afford to buy Owen Hargreaves!"

the pinefox, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

If Gerrard's target is to win a league title or even repeat the Champions League success this season - as it should be, then leaving Liverpool perversely makes sense, as they just do not look likely to make a serious challenge for the Premiership, and chances of retaining the European Cup akin to chances of Greece retaining the European Championship (the problem with this argument being that intangible factors such as chance and probability were turned over in both cases - but would lightning strike twice in this respect?) - so Gerrard would've left Liverpool with or without a trophy in his bed it seems. Perverse I tells ya.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

i dont like gerrard much

marcus bent wants to face liverpool in the CL. are everton, really bent's EIGHTH club? i wonder if purchases in the immediate future, will send him on the way to his ninth

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

Gerrard seems bent on harshing Cabbage's buzz.

What do footballers say now that they achieve financial security for life for themselves and their family in a week?

I really dislike Real Madrid, but I would go there for such a huge pay rise, I have to admit. Makes Chelsea look like a bunch of cheapskates.

The thing with Make Poverty History was it should have been Make Greed History all along. But that is a different story.

I don't like Bellamy.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

I reckon Stevie G's been wracked with guilt and self-loathing all these years as a closet Blue (he was a Goodison regular as a kid) and now, finally, having been instrumental in winning L'pool the Champs Lge, he simply has to leave or the mental turmoil will overwhelm him.

He'll finish his career at Everton, the occasional sub's appearance as an injury-ravaged and slightly overweight 33-y-o, a man finally at peace as the Bullens Road hurl good-natured obscenities his way.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

Stevie Me, only 33 days ago:

"How can I think of leaving Liverpool after a night like this?"

Turned out not to be too hard after all.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that's what he said, but did you see his eyes? They were creaming, "Christ, what have I done? Get me out of here."

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

"creaming"! Screaming, sorry.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

I feel that i should've written my last post in the popular style.

I don't think money is the issue for Gerrard. It is just a strange situation to be in, to find yourself having achieved something incredible, something you aspire to repeating, but somewhere else, presumably somewhere where there is more chance of that success happening repeatedly. I wonder how these things trouble someone in such a position as his - such responsibility now.

I quite like him. and he really is a great player.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

I think what Mr Stringbender said, about greed, was dead sharp.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

I suppose a lot of Porto players pissed off as well.

I did not know he was a Toffee Boy.

I think he lacks the Dunkirk spirit.

I hope he does go and join the other Persil-touting morons at Madrid for a life of bench-warming and not being allowed out of the hotel punctuated with long-distance moaning.

Thank you, Sociah. I am secretly quite proud of it, and thinking of having it copyrighted so I can make a few quid from it.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

Cast your mind back to being 15/16, it's a saturday, the night before you'd been talking to a nice girl, maybe had a bit of a snog at the end of the night while the DJ played Kylie and Jason, anyway, you'd agreed to meet outside Hudson's record shop the next day, so you go, and you wait, and you wait, and you wait. Then you leave. The next week you go back to the under 18s disco and she's snogging some other poor sucker.

That's exactly how I feel right now TENFOLD (decency? hah, I'm doubting it now)

if he's got any decency, he'll go to Barca and not be a Real fascist

ceebee, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

In a weird way I am glad the indecision is now over. His demand that the club win things or he left cast a shadow over the whole of last season, and would have become incessant even if he had stayed. I am sickened by the way he has conducted himself, however.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Peter, that may not be a bad idea.

Poor Chris. Mind you, some of us never got a snog at all.

I have sympathy for everyone involved and affected by this curious situation, including Rich Stephen.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

Hold on, Cabbage. He lifted the European Cup!

I would translate that into your snog metaphor but I fear the words might alert our IT department.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

some of us came in their mouth

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

I have a lot of sympathy for the idea, expressed in the Guardian's Fiver, that Liverpool are about to get 32M for their second best midfielder. If Chelsea are intent on buying someone they patently don't need for a stupidly overrated amount of money, then I'd snatch their hand off. It's not even like they'll have the abuse for letting the crown jewels go.

I think Gerrard is a good player, but most players can be made world class by a selective series of edited highlights; He's been mainly rubbish for England, nowhere near as good for Liverpool week-in week -out as the London media would have people believe. Most shots and Hollywood passes aren't anywhere near as good as the one that make the compilations.

I now hope Liverpool win the European Cup and the League and Gerrard joins lil' Michael Owen in the 'what have I done?' stakes. Oh, and he's a greedy fucker. Obscene.

Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

Charlton you have overstepped the mark, son.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

(Congrats!)

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Dave B and by extension Teh Gradinuadis OTM. This is basically Zidane 2K5.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

Did Gerrard actually request/demand more money or is it just that the club offered him more out of desperation? The concern for competetive status is surely more important to him than a competetive salary though naturally that is also key. I think Owen was/is very unlucky in a way!

I agree with Dave in that he is too inconsistent, perhaps this flatters the two big occasions where he delivered for the club last season - though those deliveries were utterly divine.

I still enjoy reminiscing about his performance for England v Germany in Sep 2001.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

Everything Dave B said. I'm disappointed with Gerrard for wanting to leave, and I don't think this is about success (what have Real Madrid won recently? would you rather have Chelsea's league and tinpot, or Liverpool's European Cup?) just money. But £32 million! I would sell him without even thinking about it. How much did they get for Michael Owen last year?

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Can it really be about money if Gerrard is rejecting 100k a week? How many other players earn more than that a week?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

There appears to be a vibe amongst some of teh englerland lads (Rio and Gerrard) that it's insulting to offer them a paltry 100K a week.

Is it about money - I'm reminded of the saying that millionaires become millionaires and stay millionaires by being tight-arsed money obsessed fuckers, whilst most of us see money as symbolic (we convert money into things in pursuit of what we want to do). I wonder whether this is another instance; the fact is, in sheer 'things to do with money if I had it' terms, another 500K a year is neither here nor there. Hence it's all about the money.

There's possibly the issue that he knows that in truth, Liverpool were 'lucky'* to win and wants to play somewhere where the ludic aspect will be less. He fails to understand that winning medals in a team such as Chelsea is incomparable to beikng a scouse legend. No sense of history, these young people.

* - lucky as in the true ludic nature of all the best sports

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)

Dave B talks sense. I don't want Gerard at Chelsea.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:17 (twenty years ago)

Turns out Stevie G is a jolly decent cove after all:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4654837.stm

Good job we all publicly kept faith with the greedy little shitbag.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:18 (twenty years ago)

So, see you all in this thread in the January window when we repeat ourselves on this topic?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:20 (twenty years ago)

I need to know what is in the window of Hudson's record shop. Is it a big Tina Turner cut-out?

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:21 (twenty years ago)

Also - Gerrard ain't nothin' but a cunt tease.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:22 (twenty years ago)

Wash your mouth out PJM!

Good - he stays. But I think he's soured his relationship once and for all with the fans.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 07:40 (twenty years ago)

I think what Gerrard etc are after is GLORY - in the form of silverware. What they don't seem to have an inkling of is that there is feasibly more glory in reviving, say, LFC as Premiership contenders - or, even, as is more likely, failing in that attempt - than there is in decamping to Real or Chelsea. If he stays at LFC for life he becomes a legend - if only to some of the more devoted supporters in the country. If he goes, he becomes just another guy following the money.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 08:09 (twenty years ago)

But he would play less games and be fresher for the World Cup, heh...Liverpool may well collapse early on on account of the Champions League qualifications commitments taking their toil (inevitable injuries, suspensions etc.) if they don't strengthen the squad - so yeh I'm sorry I spoke (in support of Gerrard) now!

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 08:30 (twenty years ago)

Is it possible that Liverpool played a clever spin game, releasing misninformation that portrayed Stevie in a bad light before making it clear to him how loathed he'd be if he left? Hence all the vague apologies in that article and the lack of quotes from Mr Gerrard himself?

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 09:07 (twenty years ago)

It is odd that SFX would apparently be happy to let one of their clients come across as such a flighty ditz.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

Yeah the idea that Gerrard felt he was not wanted due to stalling of contract talks - HELLO? Surely no-one is that dumb. Parry presumably didn't want it to flare up because the risk of Gerrard leaving was so strong. Presume it took them some time to work out how to divert an extrat 40k a week his way also (all the big - sorry - supersize clubs look like skinflints next to Chelsea now).

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 09:15 (twenty years ago)

gerrard wont win anything with liverpool next year. perhaps this was something on his mind.

it is also possible that his mind is quite small

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

I think he may have replaced SFX as his agents with Phil Redmond

PJM - it was INXS iirc

ceebee, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 09:34 (twenty years ago)

Reading between these heart-wrenching lines, it seems obvious to me that unsettled Stevie Gerrard will be swapped for unsettled Hernan Crespo:

"I'm having the worst summer of my life because I don't know at what club I will be at in two weeks time," he had said.

"Since losing the Champions League final the only good thing that has happened has been my wedding."

I am trying to think of a suitable response to the INXS revelation.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps with SFX Gerrard felt that he was like a rabbit in a hutch, hence the switch.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 10:32 (twenty years ago)

He told the Liverpool Echo: "The last five or six weeks were the hardest of my life because I wrongly believed the club didn't want me.

"This won't be happening again next summer or ever again."

Right. So them agreeing to what you wanted, which happened prior to you saying "I don't want to be here" isn't a strong enough indication then? Prick.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 10:52 (twenty years ago)

Victim culture, eh? It is all-pervasive, and gets everywhere.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps he will be MADE to say sorry to the fans at this rate...

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

Does the offer to take over from Benitez still stand? I don't think Stevie G is decisive enough to be a manager. Or, come to think of it, anything else apart from a pampered footballer.

I'm worried about his future, after he hangs his boots up.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

It's not as if he'll NEED to work by that point though.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

"In emotional phone calls last night, Parry reminded the want-away captain that if he left the city now he might never see Dave Boyle's promised streak. Insiders suggest this was crucial in changing Gerrard's mind."

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)


FW: the new Stevie G song, [to be sung in a thick scouse accent]
.............................................................

Ode to "Stevie G"
(to the tune of "Should I stay or should I go" by the Clash)

Agent you gotta let me know
Should I stay or should I go?
If they'll pay 100K
I'll tell Real to go away
But don't treat me like a fool
They pay me less than Harry Kewell

We won the champions league
I kissed the badge down on my knees
Can I resist the lure of Chelski?
Have they a shirt that'll even fit me?
Hope my agent let's me know
Should I quit or should I blow

This indecision's bugging me
They burned my shirt on Sky TV
First it's white and next it's black
And I've made Parry look a right pratt
I've made my mind up and that's that
oh wait I think I'll change it back

Should I stay or should I go now
Should I stay or should I go now
If I go blue I'm paid in roubles
If I stay they'll pay me double
But we'll sign Peter Crouch oh no!
Should I stay or should I go?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

Dirty Cash - The Adventures of Stevie G

On one hand I've got myself to blame (Lynskey), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)


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