hahahahahaha Atlas Shrugged is being made into a movie! with Angelina Jolie! [EDIT: actually not anymore! oh well!]

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And yeah they seem mutually exclusive!

SOME LOW END BRO (TOMBOT), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Marx makes a lot of sense.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know any 15 year olds that could understand Kant. Rand wrote a novel and Marx & Nietzsche wrote manifestos.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Nietszche's basically highbrow self-help, isn't he? (I haven't read all that much Nietszche, so it's possible I'm too quick to judge)

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

And I case Nietzsche appeals to teens because he's like the ultimate rebel philosophist, man.

(x-post)

Yeah, I can't imagine any 15 year old reading anything from Marx except the Communist Maniphesto.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Er, you can read Nietzsche as highbrow self-help, just like you can read him as a proto-Nazi, but I don't think either of those are what he was really going for. Nietzsche's basically a political philosopher.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Marx makes tons of sense on a lot of points and is way too complex for the majority of 15-20 yo's to grasp beyond the most basic level. Actually this goes for Nietszche too (tho there is a good deal more nonsense in Nietzsche due to his poetic propensities and questionable mental balance).

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

There's a lot of other Marxist writing you can get your hands on that's not actually Das Kapital, though. But yeah, that doesn't really mean they're comprehending it, just that they're mad about Wal-Mart or something.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Basically if you like computers a lot you're into Rand, if you have ever considered vegetarianism you're into Marx, and if you like industrial music you dig Nietzsche.

Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I never went through a "Rand phase" because I read Anthem at age 14 and thought it was a poorly written, melodramatic pile of BS. (But I won 30 bucks from the Ayn Rand Institute for the essay I wrote about it.)

Now that's how Rand makes in-roads in education. Every English class from seventh grade on had a poster for their essay contest. I never could bring myself to enter.

(I never had a Rand phase - I had an Orwell/Hemingway/pine-for-the-glorious-Spanish Republic phase. I call that phase "my teenage years.")

milo z (mlp), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Only thing Marx ever got right was when he talked about how wage labor can kill you.

And Nietzsche had plenty of problem, mainly involving women. Either in his take on them("Everything Nietzsche ever knew about women was second-hand and third-rate" -Walter Kaufman) or his nutzoid sister who shacked up with a proto-nazi husband and put out a random blather of N's notes and called it "Will to Power."

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm by no means a marxist but comparing him with rand is the biggest bullshit i've ever heard. his writings on the US civil war are fantastic (light-years ahead of anything any libertarian ever wrote about it, for sure).

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Somebody ought to do a paper on why Rand, Marx & Nietzsche all appeal so much to disaffected white kids from 15-20, despite the fact that nothing they have to say makes a goddamn bit of sense. Why those three crazy people? Why not Kant or something? Seriously.

I don't remember Marxist boy's opinion on Kant, but I know he's read him and a ton of other philosophers. (He and another friend of mine are in a Facebook group called "Let the General Will Be Sovereign" where argue about Rousseau.)

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Nietzsche's basically a political philosopher.

-- Eppy (epp...) (webmail), Today 5:47 PM. (Eppy) (link)

EH?

I've only read half of Twilight of the Idols and am in the process of reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra but I wouldn't call him a political philosopher. He seems like more of a moral philosopher determined to tear down rationalist and Christian tradition

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Logic, reason and happiness wasnt really Nietzsches thing, but his influence is obvious, read the fountainhead .

Kiwi (Kiwi), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link

rationality: "reasons" = "causes" for human behaviour?

Kiwi (Kiwi), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

re Rand cf http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/Satanicbible.gif

Kiwi (Kiwi), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Somebody ought to do a paper on why Rand, Marx & Nietzsche all appeal so much to disaffected white kids from 15-20

Rush and Joy Division dude!

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i'd like to see "either/or" by soren kirkegaard made into a movie starring jennifer aniston, as a direct dialetical diss to this

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

wot do victorious hermits know anyway

Kiwi (Kiwi), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

will there be objectivist titty?

-- Zwan (anthonyisrigh...), October 19th, 2006.

U&K.

(I have a friend who was required to read Anthem in hs FWIW. It is only since coming to the US that I've realized people actually think of AR as a serious philosopher on par with Nietzsche [whom I've never read]. Not to say it doesn't happen in Canada, just I never really noticed it so much. [I don't really think Peart did before anyone gets to that.] She's not without her merits, as extracurricular high school reading goes. Can't have been that much worse than Brave New World.)

Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Reading this thread you'd think half the U.S. population is made up of walking Howard Rourkes!

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:56 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't think people outside of high school do think of her as a serious philosopher on par with nietzsche, though. honestly, i have never met someone older than 20 who thinks that.

Maria (Maria), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i've met too many rand-admiring adults

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:59 (seventeen years ago) link

yeesh. i will never forget how cheap and used i felt by Anthem.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 20 October 2006 00:09 (seventeen years ago) link

is it unfair to speculate that lars von trier seems like he'd be a rand fan, for some reason?

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 20 October 2006 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link

aldous huxley >>>>>>>>>>>> (etc) ayn rand

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 20 October 2006 00:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh good, now I won't have to feel vaguely lame about not having finished the book when I was 17.

Pork Cheops (willpie), Friday, 20 October 2006 01:19 (seventeen years ago) link

is it unfair to speculate that lars von trier seems like he'd be a rand fan, for some reason?

ha, i know what you mean, but yeah, that's unfair. lars is a humanist. he just doesn't like people very much. but dogville is really kind of an anti-anthem.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 20 October 2006 02:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Curt1s OTM re: Nietzsche. He was misappropriated a number of times by politicians (i.e. fascists using Will to Power), but his work isn't explicitly political. Obviously it's political in the sense of personal politics, and his views on gender are deeply problematic as a result of that.

Re: LOWENDBRO & "mutally exclusivism," Nietzsche & Marxism can coexist quite easily if you follow the literature into the Nietzsche-influenced post-Marxists like Louis Althusser & Alain Badiou (the fucking MAN).

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 20 October 2006 03:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Didn't they already make this film?

http://common.swankmp.com/movie_titles/images/incredibles.jpg

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Friday, 20 October 2006 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Elastigirl is hotter than angelina jolie, though.

I bet this film totally blows, but in a non-entertaining manner. Rand was a crashing bore.

They should make a film based on that steve ditko objectivist superhero comic - Mr A, was it? That would be hilarious.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 20 October 2006 11:55 (seventeen years ago) link

omg Mister A is so awesome.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 October 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost Haha, yeah, after I wrote that I was wondering how long it'd be til someone called me on it.

Also, it must be noted that Rand's influence is far more keenly felt on the Internet than it is IRL. Randians do love to post on message boards and blog threads.

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 20 October 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

If Ayn Rand had started her career writing for the movies in the 1990s instead of the 1930s, she would have been writing stuff produced by Jerry Bruckheimer.

mh. (mike h.), Friday, 20 October 2006 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

otm

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 20 October 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Didn't they already make this film?

zaxxon25, I totally agree with you. The Incredibles creaped me out.

WHY DOES OUR SOCIETY CRUSH EXCEPTIONAL PEOPLE?!?! OMG, THERE'S NO WHERE FOR PEOPLE WITH TALLENT AND WILL TO GO. DAMN THE COMMON HERD! DAMN THE SOCIALISTS RUNNING THIS COUNTRY!

Why do so many people identify with this movie?

Coach Dave (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 20 October 2006 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link

it's essentially Nietzchian self-empowerment concepts in a thriller context

I find the idea that these books are thrilling far more ridiculous than that they have anything in common with Nietzsche.

this, however, is the crucial moment from the libertine's point of view (kenan), Friday, 20 October 2006 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

As always, TfP getting to the heart of the matter:

http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/102306/ayn-rand.gif

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

*salutes*

latebloomer: Veteran of the Mai Tai Massacre (latebloomer), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117971319.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

Vadim Perelman to direct 'Atlas'
Jolie to star in Lionsgate's Ayn Rand adaptation
By MICHAEL FLEMING

Lionsgate has brought on Vadim Perelman to rewrite "Atlas Shrugged" and direct Angelina Jolie in the starring role.

While Lionsgate needs to get a final script before formally committing to a start date with Perelman at the helm, the move puts the company in a strong position for an early 2008 production start, just a shade over 50 years after Ayn Rand's famed novel was first published in 1957.

Pic will be produced by Howard and Karen Baldwin and Media Talent Group's Geyer Kosinski.

Perelman will work from a draft of the script penned by "Braveheart" scribe Randall Wallace, who managed to boil down the Rand manifesto of 1,100-plus pages into a 127-page script. The drama revolves around what happens when great industrialists and thinkers go on strike and the world grinds to a halt.

Wallace will remain involved, and in a recent meeting with Perelman, the pair traded Russian dialogue. Perelman was born in Kiev, while Wallace has picked up the language researching his Catherine the Great pic "The Mercenary"; Rand was born in Russia. Perelman has brought his own take that will be incorporated into Wallace's script.

Perelman's latest film, the Uma Thurman-Evan Rachel Wood starrer "In Bloom," premieres at the Toronto Film Festival. It's his first since his 2003 breakthrough, "House of Sand and Fog."

Jolie starts work in early fall on the Clint Eastwood-directed "The Changeling" for Universal, Imagine and Malpaso. She would like to follow with "Atlas Shrugged," long a passion project for her.

latebloomer, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 11:08 (sixteen years ago) link

this is madness. i haven't read it, just the wiki entry, but it sounds no less insane than that l ron hubbard book john travolta did.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 11:22 (sixteen years ago) link

"this is why i make the blockbusters," said jolie, "so that i can do important work like this"

actually she didn't say that but i bet that's what she thinks

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 12:09 (sixteen years ago) link

she's also doing that daniel pearl movie with the awful title

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 12:11 (sixteen years ago) link

more like "Atlas Sucked" amirite?

Heave Ho, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 12:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I can't wait until she finishes doing that movie that came out two months ago.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 12:14 (sixteen years ago) link

not out in uk yet

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 12:17 (sixteen years ago) link

we're counting the hours

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 12:17 (sixteen years ago) link

As you should be.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 12:46 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't wait for this! The thing I love about Atlas Shrugged is that it's so over-the-top and ridiculous. Therefore the movie will be hilarious and awesome.

Something bothers me about this sentence: "Perelman's latest film, the Uma Thurman-Evan Rachel Wood starrer "In Bloom," premieres at the Toronto Film Festival." That something is the phrase "the Uma Thurman-Evan Rachel Wood starrer." How hard is it to use real words?

Maria, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 13:22 (sixteen years ago) link


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