First Example - Liberal Falsehood
The earliest, most authentic manuscripts lack this verse set forth at Luke 23:34:[7]
Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."
Is this a liberal corruption of the original? This does not appear in any other Gospel, and the simple fact is that some of the persecutors of Jesus did know what they were doing. This quotation is a favorite of liberals but should not appear in a conservative Bible.
― mookieproof, Monday, 5 October 2009 15:35 (sixteen years ago)
A conservative Bible uses the richness provided in part by conservative language to fully convey the concepts. The original Greek and Hebrew may help sometimes, or they may be inadequate. "Logos" in the beginning of John illustrates this point, as the term is merely the best the Greek has to offer. "Truth" as fully understood and used today, as developed and popularized by the conservative movement (it's rarely used by the Left), is a better term to convey the concept.--Andy Schlafly 16:56, 18 August 2009 (EDT)
do these people know that they're leninists or what
― goole, Monday, 5 October 2009 15:38 (sixteen years ago)
Here are possible approaches to creating a conservative Bible translation:
* identify pro-liberal terms used in existing Bible translations, such as "government", and suggest more accurate substitutes
― gore vitalic (s1ocki), Monday, 5 October 2009 15:40 (sixteen years ago)
I don't agree that "if some concept was not adequately expressed in Hebrew or Greek it cannot be adequately expressed in a translation into another language." Parables, for example, transcend inadequacies in language and it is fully possible to take a parable written in a simplistic language and express it more fully in a richer language. A conservative Bible uses the richness provided in part by conservative language to fully convey the concepts. The original Greek and Hebrew may help sometimes, or they may be inadequate. "Logos" in the beginning of John illustrates this point, as the term is merely the best the Greek has to offer. "Truth" as fully understood and used today, as developed and popularized by the conservative movement (it's rarely used by the Left), is a better term to convey the concept.--Andy Schlafly 16:56, 18 August 2009 (EDT)
― bamcquern, Monday, 5 October 2009 15:40 (sixteen years ago)
oops.
From the Obama entry:
Barack Hussein Obama II aka Barry Soetoro[1] (allegedly[2][3][4][5][6] born in Honolulu Aug. 4, 1961)
― Zelda Zonk, Monday, 5 October 2009 15:40 (sixteen years ago)
wow that last one is super dumb; "logos" is an extremely important Greek term, and it most definitely doesn't mean truth in anything like the contemporary sense.xxxxp
― Euler, Monday, 5 October 2009 15:41 (sixteen years ago)
The Ramones - Blitzkrieg Bop (allegedly [1][2][3][4])
― Mark G, Monday, 5 October 2009 15:42 (sixteen years ago)
This is interesting. Pretty soon there will be conservative deconstructive readings, conservative hermenuetics, etc.
― ryan, Monday, 5 October 2009 15:52 (sixteen years ago)
i wish they let you write on the talk page so i could ask when will this New Fascist Bible be available to the public
― steamed hams (harbl), Monday, 5 October 2009 15:54 (sixteen years ago)
I guess this is an overly sincere response but it always depresses me when people subordinate their religion to their own complacency, ideological or otherwise
― ryan, Monday, 5 October 2009 15:56 (sixteen years ago)
can't wait for the inevitable splitters groups to form, the arguments ought to be classic
― Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Monday, 5 October 2009 15:57 (sixteen years ago)
this sort of collaborative effort seems pretty commie
― mookieproof, Monday, 5 October 2009 16:00 (sixteen years ago)
goole this is maybe my favorite politically related ilx post ever and I fucking salute you for real
― a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Monday, 5 October 2009 16:03 (sixteen years ago)
this is so awesome
― lindsey lohanski (latebloomer), Monday, 5 October 2009 16:18 (sixteen years ago)
ha! thx j0hn
― goole, Monday, 5 October 2009 16:34 (sixteen years ago)
Accept the Logic of Hell!
― my name is ὀνοματοποιία (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 5 October 2009 16:42 (sixteen years ago)
Andy Schlafly 16:56
I briefly got super-psyched about the idea that these guys were actually inventing new books for the Bible named after themselves before realizing that was a timestamp.
― a misunderstanding of Hip-Hop and contracts (HI DERE), Monday, 5 October 2009 16:44 (sixteen years ago)
I would be down with reading the Gospel According to HI DERE
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 October 2009 16:46 (sixteen years ago)
ha hahhaa
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 5 October 2009 16:48 (sixteen years ago)
In the beginning, there was the word, and the word was with Moz, and the word was Moz
― kell surprise (country matters), Monday, 5 October 2009 16:49 (sixteen years ago)
I really hope that was not an attempt to write my Gospel, as it means nothing to me or to my life.
― Hang the LJ (HI DERE), Monday, 5 October 2009 16:50 (sixteen years ago)
Jesus hung from the cross (in abasement)
― kell surprise (country matters), Monday, 5 October 2009 16:52 (sixteen years ago)
This is much more likely to be part of my Gospel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxHCXoM2SGg
― Hang the LJ (HI DERE), Monday, 5 October 2009 16:52 (sixteen years ago)
Also this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chYba6bt4aA
― The Book of Outhere (HI DERE), Monday, 5 October 2009 16:56 (sixteen years ago)
lol "(Radio Edit)"
― goole, Monday, 5 October 2009 16:56 (sixteen years ago)
I know. I want to ask them if it will be available in time for the holidays.
― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Monday, 5 October 2009 16:59 (sixteen years ago)
Looking at the current draft of the Gospel of Mark (at http://conservapedia.com/Gospel_of_Mark_(Translated) ), basically it seems like what would happen if the RSV was attempted by some dudes on the internet working off the KJV instead of a consortium of scholars working from Hebrew and Greek texts. Shocking, I know.
I was looking to get all het up about them bastardizing it, but really the only thing that rubs me really wrong thus far is that they do not seem to get the point of the difference between Jesus and the Pharisees, at all. The translation of Mark 7:2 as "They observed several disciples eating bread without first washing their hands, and used that to criticize Jesus" with a note asking "is defiled necessary here?" makes it seem like their whole conception of the Pharisees is of a group of people who wash their hands before eating, because it is a tradition and traditions were important to them. But Jesus was different! (Presumably not different in a liberal way; if anything, Jesus was opposed to the liberal fear-mongering of Pharisees subjugating an individual's right to not wash their hands.)
I am kind of amped for the translation of "outdo one another in giving honor" and "live in harmony with one another" stuff from Romans, though.
― C-L, Monday, 5 October 2009 17:19 (sixteen years ago)
King James VersionAnd commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse:
Proposed Conservative TranslationHe instructed them to take only a walking stick, and to bring nothing else: no bag, no bread, and no money in their belts.
Cause, you see, men don't carry purses.
― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Monday, 5 October 2009 17:23 (sixteen years ago)
i'm 100% sure they will translate this to mean those liberuls needs to get in line and stop dishonouring conservatives by disagreeing with them.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 5 October 2009 17:51 (sixteen years ago)
Benefits include: * liberals will oppose this effort, but they will have to read the Bible to criticize this, and that will open their minds
― waldo geraldo faldo (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 5 October 2009 18:00 (sixteen years ago)
for the record I fully support this effort of Phyllis Schlafly's son to "improve" the Bible.
― waldo geraldo faldo (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 5 October 2009 18:02 (sixteen years ago)
Can't wait to see what happens to Matthew 6:6.
― Alex Quebec (WmC), Monday, 5 October 2009 18:07 (sixteen years ago)
King James Version
No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
Proposed Conservative Translation
"No one can break into a well-armed man's house to destroy his property, unless he first tie the man down. Only then can he damage his home."
― waldo geraldo faldo (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 5 October 2009 18:09 (sixteen years ago)
Do any of these translation dudes actually speak Greek or Hebrew? Cause super lolz if they're rewriting the Bible from an already exciting translation.
― Mordy, Monday, 5 October 2009 18:42 (sixteen years ago)
It might not have been THAT exciting, you see.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 October 2009 18:43 (sixteen years ago)
Haha. Meant to write existing, but exciting works too.
― Mordy, Monday, 5 October 2009 18:44 (sixteen years ago)
http://conservapedia.com/Bible_Retranslation_Project#Examples
Conservapedia - "Thou shalt not kill" Exodus
Real meaning - to murder or take up arms without sufficient justification
Animal Farm - No animal shall kill any other animal
No animal shall kill any other animal without cause
― 88, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 02:04 (sixteen years ago)
New Term - homeschoolFirst Developed - 1980sPotential Uses in a Bible Retranslation - relevant to Jesus teaching the younger Apostles
― Alex Quebec (WmC), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 02:17 (sixteen years ago)
"Footnotes are a cowardly choice."
― C-L, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 02:22 (sixteen years ago)
But Ann Coulter loves them!
― ceci n'est pas une pipecock (Trayce), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 02:28 (sixteen years ago)
New Term: mediaFirst Developed: 1841Potential Uses in a Bible Retranslation: relevant to prohibition against false idols
― waldo geraldo faldo (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 02:35 (sixteen years ago)
this website is a fantastic website
"From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another." John 1:16 (NIV)
"grace" has become a female name and a sports term to refer primarily to smoothness in style
Oh no! We cant have a Smoov Lord.
― ceci n'est pas une pipecock (Trayce), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 02:42 (sixteen years ago)
― waldo geraldo faldo (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, October 6, 2009 2:35 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― really? * makes scrunched up disapproving face * (latebloomer), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 02:50 (sixteen years ago)
lol @ "grace has become a sports term"
― waldo geraldo faldo (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 02:50 (sixteen years ago)
Essay:Greatest Myths of American History
Here is a growing list of the greatest myths or falsehoods taught about American history:that a "triangular trade" existed in the 17th and 18th centuries with the New World[1]that the Founding Fathers were deiststhat Thomas Jefferson was the originator of the key concepts in the Declaration of Independencethat James Madison was the "father of the Constitution"that the Constitution established a wall of separation between church and statethat government regulation brought American prosperitythat President FDR brought the United States out of the Great Depressionthat President LBJ's Great Society alleviated povertythat President Ronald Reagan's foreign policy was not key to ending the Cold War.
― More Butty In Your Pants (Telephone thing), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 03:02 (sixteen years ago)
It takes a certain amount of math knowhow to appreciate the awesome kookiness of this:
http://conservapedia.com/Talk:Elementary_proof
but I promise you guys there is really nothing better on the whole site.
The Schlafly:
"Complex analysis does rely on an assumption that there is a unique, algebraically manipulable square root of negative one. It's a unique pair, obviously, and it's a sign of desperation that some above looked for a way to deny this."
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 03:03 (sixteen years ago)
Fundamentalism of any stripe is not a theology so much as a psychology.
― kingfish, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 03:05 (sixteen years ago)
eephus are you thinking of quaternions/octonions/etc? or just that he's completely ignoring what others are saying?
― abanana, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 04:58 (sixteen years ago)