The IRA.

Heard great anecdote of how he almost came to blows with a left-wing Labour MP during a drunken row. The later was left musing that the only person to ever threaten him physically during his parliamentary career was a holder of the Nobel Peace Prize.

There is an amusing story in the interesting book "INLA - Deadly Divisions" (about mad republican splinter group, the INLA). The INLA were much more hardlinedly lefty (at least in terms of rhetoric) than the IRA. At one point the INLA decided to start milking the Irish Americans, and sent represntatives over. At meetings with these people they outlined how their struggle was akin to the struggle of the Palestinians and African Americans. Consequently they raised no money.

The INLA... well, I think they had so many bloody internal feuds that eventually there were none of them left. I think. Or maybe all three surviving INLA members are on ceasefire.

The IRA shut down the IPLO (a splinter from the INLA) a bit before the first ceasefire; killed the leaders, kneecapped everyone else. Nice.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/aug/24/claudy-bombings-cover-up-report

Jesus Christ.

In the middle ages, some priests were known to take an active and enthusiastic part in battles, wearing armor and hacking away at the opposition with their broadswords.

Coventry City midfielder Gary Deegan has been suspended by the club after posting a pro-IRA slogan on Twitter.

The 24-year-old, who was born in Dublin, allegedly replied 'Up the RA' in response to Scottish-born team-mate James McPake who was called up for international duty by Northern Ireland.

Deegan quickly apologised but his club, who were relegated to League One last season, have suspended him for two weeks while they investigate.

Kids on my cousin's timeline are freaking out that lovable Twitter personality Gerry Adams has been arrested.

not sure how they are going to convict anyone forty years later unless the uvf get to select the jury

Assume they'd dispense with a jury but it's tough to see this making it to trial in the first place unless there's some remarkable new evidence.

Last month, Ivor Bell, 77, a leader in the Provisional IRA in the 1970s, was charged with aiding and abetting the murder.

There have also been a number of other arrests over the murder recently.

The case against Bell is based on an interview he allegedly gave to researchers at Boston College in the US.

The Boston College tapes are a series of candid, confessional interviews with former loyalist and republican paramilitaries, designed to be an oral history of the Troubles.

The paramilitaries were told the tapes would only be made public after their deaths.

However, after a series of court cases in the United States, some of the content has been handed over to the authorities.

there likely is and has been ever since the mcconville loop started to close with the boston college tapes xp

they are admissible because they were given either outside of jurisdiction of or freely volunteered without being part of the GFA and there was a hell of a battle to get them

delours involved in them iirc, stephen rea kept that one quiet didnt he

point to note on the boston college tapes- no friends there of the peace process nor of sinn fein, so pinch of salt, pinch of salt.

it'll be a muddy pool either way- MLMD on all the shows this AM leading the line that this arrest and the timing thereof have been politically motivated (apt enough, wasn't the murder?) as if 5 weeks interviewing others and gathering the evidence from the ivor bell arrest wasn't a reasonable delay (if they'd pulled in the big fish on day 1 that'd have been unfair too, you'd imagine).

i've a first generation cousin from london whose outlook on this seems v much coloured by having been an irish outsider there during the times of internment, live terror campaigns etc, drawing parallels btwn questioning a heavily implicated suspect in a murder and the guildford 4 etc, he's mentioned 'lynching'. idk, he's a reasonable enough fella besides.

i highly doubt we'll ever see adams on trial, and tbf we'll never know if he was involved in this- his denials of IRA membership are consistent but widely dismissed, and his denials of ordering this will prob go the same way- an openly accepted fact, fair on him or otherwise.

re "his denials of IRA membership are consistent but widely dismissed" - I got quite a laugh out of this:

"While I have never disassociated myself from the IRA and I never will, I am innocent of any part in the abduction, killing or burial of Mrs McConville."

apt enough, wasn't the murder?

everything is politically motivated with SF. are they trying to position themselves as some morally neutral party? idk what they're trying to say.

either way, he was held overnight, but I expect he'll be out today.

also amused to see you still get this if you google "sinn fein ira"

http://i.imgur.com/QicQUcs.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmaEfHjCcAAyrj5.jpg

astonishing interview with helen mcconville on newsnight last night.

rhetorically her "the dogs on the street know it" carried more weight than peter hain's "gerry adams always passionately denied to me having anything to do with it" regarding adams's ordering the murder, but of course that's not always a guide, it just makes sense.

Will be interesting to see if they hold him beyond the standard 96 hours that's the upper limit for murder suspects. They can keep him in for two weeks under the Terrorism Act.

If they press now id read it as a sign that they dont have much now

Martin McGuinness says PSNI to ask judge for more time to question Gerry Adams in connection with the 1972 murder of Jean McConville

terrorism act provisions to detain suspects for whatever length of time are there for cases of critical real-time significance, using them to detain a public figure for crimes committed decades ago is contrary to that in spirit if not in letter

is he actually being held under terrorism act provisions?

also

Mr McGuinness said Sinn Féin would "reflect" and "review" its support for policing in the region if Mr Adams is charged. But he urged republicans to remain calm if and until that happened.

http://i.imgur.com/lI0Vcsa.jpg

"I have never associated myself with the IRA and I never will. The IRA is gone. It is finished." Gerry Adams.

I thought he said he'd never disassociated himself with them.

yeah I quoted this three days ago. clearly his ordeal has wrecked his memory.

"While I have never disassociated myself from the IRA and I never will, I am innocent of any part in the abduction, killing or burial of Mrs McConville."

dpp in ni is his solicitor iirc

Gerry dropped the n bomb on twitter

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/gerry-adams-defends-django-unchained-n-word-tweet-1.2632112

He's a gas man on twitter

lol, what a clown

recently found out about pro-IRA TikTok and it’s delightful 🇮🇪 pic.twitter.com/AnERGmrabT

— Sam (@halaljew) August 15, 2020

lol bantz from little shits not even old enough to remember the Troubles brings the lols right enough

me_ira has Skynetted

This one is the best

all timer pic.twitter.com/SlbHEt6e0D

— jack🚩 (@_jackhy) August 15, 2020

comrade bezos is sound on the question

This is a good poem

bobby sands writing a poem for anwar ditta from prison https://t.co/ZlsLG6NXIA https://t.co/dMZFkx89WJ pic.twitter.com/sOF51ilZzR

— Sita Balani (@sitainshort) January 11, 2021

93 bus in Nantes... no eating allowed *ducks

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid04potesS8yBAGRmppRqmGspidST4TyZKV9rV7wfb3AFhPvagX9Ehio4dJCx4UURjil&id=100064840294665&sfnsn=scwspmo

... yeah, didn't think that would work, hold on...

https://i.ibb.co/cTRKK3n/FB-IMG-1694975787019.jpg

Coincidentally right now I'm reading There Will Be Fire by Rory Carroll, about the events leading up to, the plotting of, and the aftermath of the Grand Hotel bombing in Brighton. I'm sure I'd heard about that before, but I didn't realize quite how close they'd come to taking out Thatcher.

I remember seeing "Wanted: For Murder" posters of Thatcher on holiday in Kerry when I was a kid and thinking wow, this is cool - they really want to kill Thatcher here!

lol

This was a bizarre trial:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyv1p930gq4o

A shameless abuse of process, in the same spirit as the Kneecap "terror charges" farce.

i wouldnt think of it quite like that perhaps but it was absolutely doomed to fail on all counts and on that score alone was a bizarre effort

the case was made on about the same level of rectitude and soundness that an average telegraph profile of adams might have been expected to demonstrate

the reporting of the allegations as headline/fact throughout was a notable feature- ive often thought that quotation marks being the only dividing line between "we're saying this" and "this was said" was a particularly cheap and tabloidal trick in reporting court testimony but every outlet ran with it this time

strange not to see a costs order in the circumstances

the dogs in the street might well know that adams carried significant weight in republican activities throughout the period in question but they also know that no direct link to formal position, authority or command has ever been proven and to continuously go back to the boston tapes group without reference to the known opposition to the GFA those involved had is not just lax legal/reporting work, it's actively and deliberately propagandist and biased presentation of the words of people who could fairly safely be said to have had more taste for violence and less intent towards peace than adams or those who adams had influence over showed

McCue Jury and Co, the solicitors for the claimants, said the men considered the case "a significant and legitimate attempt towards establishing the truth about responsibility for events during the Troubles".

The solicitors said: "The court unexpectedly directed at the final stages of the trial that it wished to consider whether the proceedings might amount to an abuse of process.

extremely telling

The 4-part Endgame in Ireland (from 2001) is currently on BBC iPlayer, the best overview of the 90's/pre-good Friday era i've seen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0f9ctf1/endgame-in-ireland

xpost, idk for sure but i also felt it was significant that the judge told the claimants' lawyer to zip it as it seemed they were about to go for a matlock moment/oscar speech.

Studd told the court the reason for the withdrawal of the case related to an argument around “abuse of process”, before being stopped by the judge, Mr Justice Swift, who said: “Whatever statement your clients may wish to make outside court is entirely a matter for them.”