Peter Bogdanovich, threshing machine

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God he really was useless, wasn't he? Arselicker to Ford, Hawks and Welles; OK, the last shot of The Last Picture Show is quite alienating if you like that sort of thing, but What's Up Doc, Paper Moon, At Long Last Love...not to mention coming on to Dorothy Stratten's younger sister right after DS got shot, being generally responsible for Cybill Shepherd - someone defend him if they can!

Emmanuel Goldstein, Monday, 30 September 2002 14:59 (twenty-three years ago)

i like the way tatum o'neill waddles down the stairs in paper moon

mark s (mark s), Monday, 30 September 2002 15:15 (twenty-three years ago)

i like the way samantha mathis does everything in 'the thing called love'

Jeff W, Monday, 30 September 2002 15:28 (twenty-three years ago)

What's wrong with being kissass to Ford, Hawks, Welles?

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 September 2002 17:32 (twenty-three years ago)

SOmeones been reading too much Easy Riders, Raging Bulls methinks.

What's Up Doc was the best screwball comedy of the seventies. (CLose run thing with Foul Play but...)

Pete (Pete), Monday, 30 September 2002 17:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Last Picture Show is a film of powerful beauty and feeling - I love it. Targets is a very good 'mad gunman' film. I thought he started with huge promise, and went downhill extraorinarily quickly.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 30 September 2002 18:07 (twenty-three years ago)

ooh i've never seen targets Martin, thanks for reminding me.

the actual mr. jones (actual), Monday, 30 September 2002 18:23 (twenty-three years ago)

People with perforated siblings need love too

dave q, Monday, 30 September 2002 19:02 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
OMG, Bogdanovich directed the new Pete Rose telemovie on ESPN. That's so sad.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i just found a dvd of targets i bought months ago and forgot about! about to watch, will report back...

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw Targets very recently...it is silly.

adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

What a great thread title! I have no idea what it means!

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i really don't like the ascots

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 24 September 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

TV movies don't necessarily mean the person is desparate. They might just think the story is interesting and aren't worried that it might make them look less classy or whatever. Granted, Bogdanovich directed To Sir With Love 2 for TV, but you never know. I'm guessing they didn't find him with a WILL DIRECT OR APPEAR IN WELLES DOCUMENTARY FOR FOOD sign on Hollywood Boulevard or anything depressing like that.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:20 (twenty-one years ago)

look at frankenheimer, people!

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm guessing they didn't find him with a WILL DIRECT OR APPEAR IN WELLES DOCUMENTARY FOR FOOD sign on Hollywood Boulevard or anything depressing like that.

Nah, he'd been holding up that "will pose as a Welles expert for larges houses and scads of money" long before that, and to great effect. I hate this guy almost as much as I hate John Landis.

Ain't That Peculiar (kenan), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

frankenheimer is dead! (although his dna lives on in michael bay.)

he actually is kind of an expert, and he speaks well, so it makes sense that he should appear on so many documentaries and commentary tracks. unfortunately there's usually an even more interesting expert that's been passed over for old pete.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:34 (twenty-one years ago)

like who?

Ain't That Peculiar (kenan), Saturday, 25 September 2004 05:41 (twenty-one years ago)

well yeah he was an expert before he was even a filmmaker! let's not forget he was one of the main americans participating in the early canonization of hawks etc.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 September 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

cats meow.
one of the more venal and elegant bashings of traditional hollywood morality, and proof (if you needed more after bring it on and spiderman) that kristen dunst is one of the better actresses coming out of the last few years, esp. irt the sticky intraceable tendrils of desire (shoot me for the last sentence please)

+ eddie izzard is in it and how can one not like eddie izzard, eddie izzard is a fucking genius.

anthony, Saturday, 25 September 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I love kirsten dunst, eddie izzard, but I thought cats meow was paper thin and very dull.

adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 25 September 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

2nded, adam. It was boring, talky, and pointless.

{Sand in the [vaseline} on the lens] (x Jeremy), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
indefensible.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

Dude did a really ace Hitchcock impression when he introduced North by Northwest for TCM. So he was a fanboy, big deal-- Blount OTM.

Chris F. (servoret), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:40 (twenty years ago)

This is Orson Welles more than makes up for his mediocre films. He's not particularly exciting (and not a great critic) but I'm much happier having him as a bland go-to-"expert" on ye old Hollywood than some asshole Paulette or a hack culture critic.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:44 (twenty years ago)

Or fucking David Thomson!

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 05:45 (twenty years ago)

yeah, the orson welles book is fantastic, tho the audio version sadly doesn't include OW yelling "everything you believe is balls! BALLS!" at cybill shepherd over breakfast. i think last picture show is a little overrated, it looks beautiful but it's kind of boring to watch. but i love targets and the thing called love (a nearly perfect movie) so he's not all bad by any means.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)

He's okay on the Sopranos.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:19 (twenty years ago)

DS was stabbed, by the way.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:43 (twenty years ago)

Targets was amazing and totally fun. I perhaps believe the rumor the Polly Platt was his better half and his career was downhill after they split.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 06:55 (twenty years ago)

Any love for Texasville? A friend maintains it's better than TLPS.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

the audio version sadly doesn't include OW yelling
Then I don't suppose it has him starting a fire with a lit cigar in his bathrobe pocket either.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

on tcm's "the essentials" he appears WITHOUT AN ASCOT

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

I believe that you are right, amst. But then surely a clever cameraman has to cover for the missing ascot.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

no way is texasville better than the last picture show! that's just someone have fun being contrary. it's underrated, though, in that it was branded one of the biggest-ever turkeys and it really isn't. it's just kind of a sad mess considering its pedigree.

Or fucking David Thomson!

argh! otm. my dislike for him continues to grow.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

him and friedkin are responsible for like 70% of any fun you get from reading e-z riders n ragin bullz

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:15 (twenty years ago)

PB comes off as a real dick in that book!

actually everyone does, come to think of it.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:26 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

http://blogs.indiewire.com/peterbogdanovich/

Blogdanovich!

funky house skeptic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:31 (fifteen years ago)

Man will never give up his Ascots, will he.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:39 (fifteen years ago)

They shall pry them from his cold, dead dewlaps.

Aimless, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 17:49 (fifteen years ago)

The guru has started another blog.

redd cool card-pitt (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:19 (fifteen years ago)

I'm seeing him introduce Citizen Kane in a couple of weeks--just for the thrill of hearing him namedrop "Orson" every other sentence.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:46 (fifteen years ago)

i wonder what orson welles' blog would've been called. Roseblog?

tylerw, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 20:50 (fifteen years ago)

Enjoyed him on the Dick Cavett show circa 1971 surrounded by Robert Altman, Mel Brooks, and Frank Capra. And yes, he was wearing his snappy Cary Grant garden party leisure wear.

Josefa, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 23:00 (fifteen years ago)

I have a certain nostalgic fondness for the original 1972 Elaine May-Neil Simon comedy, THE HEARTBREAK KID (available on DVD), which goes beyond the darkly hilarious film itself, because at the time of its making and release I was living with one of the stars, Cybill Shepherd. This warm feeling only increased with the publication of Cybill’s memoirs (Cybill Disobedience), in which there are numerous revelations—-to me, too—-about her various doings during our nine-year relationship (and, of course, before and after).

This fuckin' guy.

a seminar on ass play for kids or something (Phil D.), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 23:03 (fifteen years ago)

This kills me--Bogdanovich in a nutshell:

"As the Duke was walking me back to my car, he took a shortcut, leading me through the sizeable garage..."

clemenza, Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:44 (fifteen years ago)

I should say that I think The Last Picture Show is a fine film, although I have difficulty connecting it to Bogdanovich (other than as an assemblage of stuff borrowed from his favorite directors...think Stanley Kauffmann said the same thing way back when).

clemenza, Thursday, 7 October 2010 00:49 (fifteen years ago)

Casting him as a thinly veiled Hugh Hefner on Law and Order was kind of amazing.

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 7 October 2010 02:46 (fifteen years ago)

That episode made me laugh so much.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Thursday, 7 October 2010 03:45 (fifteen years ago)

it's weird seeing tokyo rosemary on ILX

Tweeker Bongdanovich (admrl), Thursday, 7 October 2010 03:46 (fifteen years ago)

It used to be on YouTube, I linked it up thread (link now dead).

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 6 January 2023 23:15 (three years ago)

RIght. That's what I figured, thanks.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2023 23:16 (three years ago)

Still thinking about Saint Jack. Ben Gazarra is such a weirdo, I think. Maybe I am biased now based on seeing him once at a Cassavettes screening.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2023 23:17 (three years ago)

This is on YouTube, Colleen Camp promoting the film on the radio in Cincinnati, and everything goes horribly wrong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgNjnSzM3Eg

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 6 January 2023 23:23 (three years ago)

^ Haha, well done

I found Saint Jack quite good. Just the backdrop of it alone is interesting, and then Gazzara and Denholm Elliott made an entertainingly odd couple.

Josefa, Friday, 6 January 2023 23:42 (three years ago)

One of these days I'm gonna get around to At Long Last Love

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Saturday, 7 January 2023 00:09 (three years ago)

I watched a Netflix-red-envelope DVD copy about a decade ago.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 January 2023 00:16 (three years ago)

The past is a foreign country iirc

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 January 2023 00:30 (three years ago)

haven't seen Daisy Miller, At Long Last Love, Saint Jack, or They All Laughed

but his 3 films in consecutive years from 1971 to 1973 - The Last Picture Show, What's Up Doc?, and Paper Moon - are all-time great

Dan S, Saturday, 7 January 2023 00:58 (three years ago)

Eileen Brennan and Cloris Leachman from Picture Show are both good in Daisy Miller.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:08 (three years ago)

I was going to add that the kid's kind of annoying, but first I looked him up, and you know who it is?--James McMurtry, who I've never heard but recognized the name right away.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:11 (three years ago)

^^Larry's son, and future Alt-Country kingpin. Wrote one of the best W-era protest songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szclr2caFG8

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:19 (three years ago)

Always felt part of why guy directors (Tarantino, Wes Anderson etc.) love They All Laughed is that conceptually it's kind of a platonic ideal of a film a dude would love to make: a passion project with all your buddies on board, the most of the leading ladies have been involved with you romantically, and everybody's on great terms treating NYC as a playground for grown-ups.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 7 January 2023 03:51 (three years ago)

Makes sense.

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 January 2023 03:53 (three years ago)

one month passes...

https://www.criterion.com/films/29965-targets

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 18:16 (three years ago)

I've seen it twice and found it a little overrated, although in meeting Corman's (?) conditions--get Karloff in there--pretty resourceful. Thought that weird animated thing from a few years ago Tower, was a better treatment of Charles Whitman.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 19:06 (three years ago)

three months pass...

Unfortunately obscure YT of the day: not streaming, not available in the U.S. since the excellent DVD (still not hard to get), here is Peter Bogdanovich's personal favorite of all his films, THEY ALL LAUGHED, w/ John Ritter, Audrey Hepburn & Ben Gazzara. https://t.co/r29M4upwY9 pic.twitter.com/HHMLWwVib1

— James Kenney (@jfkenney) June 12, 2023

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Monday, 12 June 2023 18:41 (two years ago)

love that movie, think of it a lot

serving aunt (stevie), Monday, 12 June 2023 19:50 (two years ago)

two months pass...

https://www.criterion.com/films/27533-the-last-picture-show

Bundled with two cuts of Texasville

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 15 August 2023 17:17 (two years ago)

seven months pass...

Kino Lorber is putting out a Blu of Daisy Miller in May.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 15 March 2024 23:06 (two years ago)

six months pass...

i guess tcm aired they all laughed last night for the first time

by way of twitter discussion about that i read about 'one day since yesterday', free on tubi -- good doc focusing on they all laughed & 100% confirms

I'd honestly rather watch movies about They All Laughed than the picture itself

― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:14 PM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink

johnny crunch, Monday, 16 September 2024 16:25 (one year ago)

Is there a good threadreader workaround for nonusers for this Twitter thread by the guy who got it on TCM?

i promised Peter in a phone call around Christmas time in 2021, before he passed away heartrendingly and unexpectedly a few weeks later, that i'd help him clear the rights on They All Laughed, (his once Lost Masterpiece) so it could show on cable and streaming, something that pic.twitter.com/00rBBiurN9

— bill teck (@billteck) September 15, 2024

Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 September 2024 16:35 (one year ago)

I saw it as a Netflix Red Envelope release in early '19 as I mentioned above, so it was available, however briefly.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 September 2024 16:57 (one year ago)

Would you class it as a Lost Masterpiece?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 16 September 2024 17:04 (one year ago)

FWIW, it gets screened in 35mm around NYC once in a while - I caught one at BAM a long time ago and Bogdanovich did the Q&A. If you love Bogdanovich, you should absolutely see it, it's almost a nakedly personal film to the point where the Q&A kind of felt like TMI. (IIRC, he kept saying soberly how he was "in love" with like every woman in the cast - not in a frivolous or joking way, it was a little cringey for me.)

It's interesting, and I think it has its merits, but I can't agree with its boosters that it's a great film, much less his masterpiece. Targets and The Last Picture Show paired with Texasville are still my favorite works from Bogdanovich.

birdistheword, Monday, 16 September 2024 17:37 (one year ago)

It's a goofy film, often not in a good way.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 September 2024 17:45 (one year ago)

I saw it as a Netflix Red Envelope release in early '19 as I mentioned above, so it was available, however briefly.

Warner Bros. put it out on DVD with a commentary and a conversation featurette featuring PB & Wes Anderson back in the mid-'00s. Copies are still findable. I too rented it from Netflix maybe 10 years ago and had an ordeal just trying to watch the DVD: The first copy was scratched to shit and started skipping a couple minutes into the picture; the second arrived cracked; and finally the third one played ok.

Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 September 2024 19:37 (one year ago)

I'm not liking this era where "Lost Film"=Not Available On Blu/Streaming.

Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 September 2024 19:42 (one year ago)

Yeah

The Clones of Dr. Slop (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 September 2024 19:43 (one year ago)

It's on MAX.

ernestp, Monday, 16 September 2024 20:54 (one year ago)

Reminds me that it was pretty the only thing on HBO during some visit home so I watched it over and over until I got into.

The Clones of Dr. Slop (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2024 06:13 (one year ago)

Probably posted the same upthread already

The Clones of Dr. Slop (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 September 2024 06:13 (one year ago)

https://www.indiewire.com/features/interviews/peter-bogdanovich-they-all-laughed-streaming-1235049834/

Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 24 September 2024 15:13 (one year ago)

three weeks pass...

The color version of Nickelodeon is back up on Prime.

Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 18 October 2024 00:14 (one year ago)

six months pass...

how have people endured Paper Moon for half a century

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 May 2025 19:09 (one year ago)

mostly by ignoring it I think

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 9 May 2025 19:16 (one year ago)

Elaborate plz, Mr. Soto.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 9 May 2025 19:35 (one year ago)

I tried once 20 years ago, turned it off. I tried this afternoon, turned it off.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 May 2025 20:40 (one year ago)

Oh come on, Tatum O'Neal's performance alone!

Saw it on the big screen recently with a buncha zoomers dressed to the nines in 70's garb, unexpected but delightful.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 9 May 2025 21:38 (one year ago)

Shouldn't they have worn 30s garb?

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 9 May 2025 21:40 (one year ago)

Wouldn't go as far as switching it off but I didn't really get it

xyzzzz__, Friday, 9 May 2025 21:41 (one year ago)

Shouldn't they have worn 30s garb?

Who am I to tell the youth what to do?

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 9 May 2025 21:43 (one year ago)

The main thing to get is this uncomfortable truth: while children smoking is a bad thing in real life, on the silver screen it looks even cooler than adults doing it.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 9 May 2025 21:44 (one year ago)

I've been meaning to rewatch it. I saw it maybe seven or eight years ago in a packed Sunday morning screening with a lot of kids, and I remember it playing like gangbusters.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 9 May 2025 22:01 (one year ago)

psichiatra di psichiatri

calstars, Friday, 9 May 2025 22:05 (one year ago)

Tatum is a large part of the problem. I'm recoiling from the film's effort to make me adore her cunning.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 May 2025 22:07 (one year ago)

three months pass...

saw the one-day rerelease of Paper Moon today. I’d tried once on TV and made it five minutes: the big screen and a (small, polite, multiplex matinee) audience made it click. It’s best when being a comedy, and could easily trim to a sub-90-minute sharper, sillier version. But the languorous scenes often feel like the point of writer Bogdanovich’s interest (let’s feel like an older style of storytelling, even if that was a minority at the actual time), and provides a showcase for probably-other-writer Platt’s production design.

I’ve never been convinced by O’Neal père in my brief, glancing encounters. But the mix of contrasts and comparisons between him and Tatum in this make his character rich and believable despite his limitations as an actor, and give her an authenticity roughed up by her precociousness. And her scenes with PJ Johnson as Imogene show that Tatum’s distinctiveness isn’t just nepo enthusiasm or an existing rapport with her father — they very convincingly have a relationship of equals (plus/despite the age difference) on a range of levels distinct from the adults’ all-lies-to-each-other mode

Nancy Makes Posts (sic), Tuesday, 2 September 2025 15:10 (nine months ago)

four months pass...

Heh, Paul Nelson liked They All Laughed so much that he owned three VHS copies of it.

Eric Blore Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 7 January 2026 21:19 (four months ago)

Also I recently finally saw Paper Moon and What's Up, Doc? properly on a big screen at MoMI and enjoyed them both.

Eric Blore Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 7 January 2026 21:21 (four months ago)

two months pass...

Nickelodeon BluRay: https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=38069

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 19 March 2026 17:19 (two months ago)


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