"Dumbledore is Gay" sez Rowling

I thought Hermione was black before I saw the movies. It was kind of a disappointment.

I thought Harry Potter was small and fat when I read the book. Thatwas also a disappointment.

Would've voted for Potter (-> Gay in Dutch) himself.

so is Rowling herself

I owe this link to another messageboard, but...

http://bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/other_stories/documents/02977459.htm

Snape is probably into BDSM.

cue Andy Milonakis

Dumbledore is Gay
Dumbledore
Dumbledore
Dumbledore is Gay

" in other stories, Snape has a full-blown taste for bondage and discipline, seducing students of both sexes — including Harry and Hermione — during detentions in his dungeon. In one unrelenting bit of erotica, "The Nine Orgies: Affection" by one Kandyslasher (adultfanfiction.net), Snape spends the entire first section spanking a naughty Slytherin girl with every implement at a sadistic schoolmaster’s disposal. And in the luminous "Love’s Labours, Paradise Lost" by Veresna Ussep (adultfanfiction.net), a melancholy, Shakespeare-spouting Snape turns a prostitute into an elegant love slave, and the result is so affecting, you wish you could see this Snape on a movie screen."

The reaction from the mother of the girl who posed the original question was not recorded.

Dobby is of course a masochist. 'Dobby had to iron his hands'.

My gf reads that kinda stuff.

Weirds me out a little.

xxp

The audience fell silent, and then after a moment, Carnegie Hall exploded into applause. Rowling said that if she had known that her admission would get that type of response, she would’ve revealed her thoughts on Dumbledore earlier.

thats quite an admission big hoos

http://www.webwhispers.org/newspics/apr05/target.jpg

http://www.magazine.org/Editorial/40-40-covers/37e.jpg

It's just the prospect of a Professor doing the dirty with his underage students that weirds me out. Sorry if that wasn't clear. xp

i meant the part about yr gf reading hp sex slash

lolz

sorry gf mods should prob remove huh

what with ilx/facebook crossover and everything

"Can I say my girlfriend's into Harry Potter sex slash on Facebook?"

haha its a bit late for that now hoos

way xpost to Abbott -- I've always found it kind of cute/interesting how Rowling tries to use the kids' names/details to make various ethnicities clear without having to say anything (and without going overboard and being like "the young wizard LAMAR SINGLETON raised his wand"), which is funny business when you're trying to make things clear for children; there's some funny bit early on where one of the black kids wears dreadlocks for pretty much the sole purpose of us imagining him as black, instead of being told straight. (I find it funny, too, that one of the Indian girls is named Parvati, and so I consistently imagine her as Parvati-the-witch from Midnight's Children.) But then in standard British style she goes a bit broad with the foreigners ("Fleur"!), and Cho Chang has always made me wonder if maybe east Asians in the UK don't do the assimilated-name thing like in the US.

I assume the way ALL the names scan is way different in the UK, obviously (which kinda kills my Lamar Singleton joke) -- I'm probably missing a lot of class signifiers with the names, too, aren't I.

Hermione = posh
Ron = common as dog muck

Harry = wtf is this the 1940s?

Yes, yes, definitely a step back in time. There is more than a touch of Enid Blyton.

Hermione pretty much seemed like Theo in a cloak to me.

OOOOPS maybe I meant Rudy (meaning I entirely meant Rudy, I wasn't THAT, um, unclear on Hermione.)

I just canceled an 8-paragraph post about Theo's late-diagnosed learning disabilities

There IS that one scene where she keeps calling Ron BUUUUD

HAHAHA sorry to make you abort what was surely a hilarious frolic.

There was nothing hilarious about it, Abbott. In fact, his early-college discovery of the simple learning disabilities that had made him struggle in high school was precisely what made him decide to major in education, so he could help kids like himself find ways to

I'm sorry, I'm getting a little misty, one second

wait you guys don't know anyone named harry? i have THREE friends named harry.

I have never known a person named Harry that was younger than 60.

nice of jkr to make the reveal after she's already ended the series and sold 15 gajillion books. woo yay and all, but also kind of having yr cock and eating it too.

prince harry

Now this raises all kinds of interesting questions.

1) Does what Rowling think matters?

lol subject-verb agreement

my little dog is called harry, he is like a tiny old-fashioned travelling salesman who breezes into town and makes hearts flutter.

in the remaining films, dumbledore will now be played by ian mckellen

because he's gay!!

it would be funny if michael gambon took a cue from this and just really queened it up in the next couple movies.

s1ocki have you heard his rationale for why he played magneto and the lotr dumbledore

Harry has definitely come back into fashion as a kids name, like George and Alfie, but Ron is really dated. Plenty of people with east Asian ethnicity have English names in the UK, not sure how different it is to the US though.

My best mate is called Harry, but then he was named after a man born in 1907.

two of my harry friends are jews, which makes some sort of sense to me, at least. they're both around 23?
the other is more peripheral, and he is (surprise) Japanese.

lol @ LAMAR SINGLETON

Every time I see this thread title I want it to say "'Dumbledore is Mad Gay' sez Rowling".

ya rly xpost

nice of jkr to make the reveal after she's already ended the series and sold 15 gajillion books. woo yay and all, but also kind of having yr cock and eating it too.

OTM. I find it hard to believe she's really like, "Oh, he's always been gay, I just didn't bother to mention it before."

ppl get *christened* harry?

the fuck, people.

it's like christening your kid dave.

I took it as friendly advice for JK who has screentimed herself into embracing Holocaust denial

holocaust denial seems to be inevitable for the obsessive transphobes, hopefully rowling manages to get herself into legal trouble somewhere from it

A tweet thread explainer on a couple of Rowling’s anti-trans holocaust denial exchanges in the last day or so.

apparently she's back on twitter talking about Khelif again. I know it's pointless to try to figure out the "logic" of zealous bigots, but attacking Khelif makes the misogyny at the heart of JK's transphobia so blatant, it's almost surprising to me that terfs don't have the instincts to steer clear

I sense she knows she's already been backfooted, but like Trump, can't adjust to a new reality. Khelif wasn't known by the wider culture before, now she's a rock star and Rowling is clearly tempting legal fate.

Her original comments were absolutely disgusting. She is vile.

would just love to see her suffer one damn REAL consequence for this shit.

like Khelif winning the rights to every cent from Harry Potter sales forever

how libelous have her statements been with respect to UK law? is she just assuming she's untouchable because she's rich?

Pretty much, yes

That usually works in the UK.

it isn't UK law that she needs to worry about right now

https://www.euronews.com/culture/2024/08/14/jk-rowling-and-elon-musk-named-in-cyberbullying-lawsuit-filed-by-olympic-champion-imane-kh

I'm kind of interested in the timing. Eu is very keen to reign in social media companies. There's been a lot of push around the Audiovisual Media Services Directive and the legislation states are enacting under it make me think there's going to be a big pushback and everything would suggest that Twitter is the best target, for all kinds of straightforwardly obvious reasons. I'm not optimistic but I also wouldn't be surprised if this got lined up as the test case for online incitement and harassment. Afaiu and I may be wrong, the target of the case would be Twitter and refusal to do eg multilingual content moderation, prevent harassment etc but it has the potential to throw out some pretty damning conclusions about what Rowling is up to... Would be interested for someone who knows what they're taking about to wade in tho.

i didn't follow the olympics closely and i usually make fun of "explainers" but i've been confused about the whole boxing thing, this provided a good overview and wow this is even more fucking stupid than i thought it would be, rowling is evil

https://www.vox.com/sports/364856/olympics-boxing-imane-khelif-angela-carini

haven't read that yet, but I started a podcast about the history of sex-testing in sports, called Tested, that seems good/deeply infuriating so far (1.5 eps in)

i didn't follow the olympics closely and i usually make fun of "explainers" but i've been confused about the whole boxing thing, this provided a good overview and wow this is even more fucking stupid than i thought it would be, rowling is evil

https://www.vox.com/sports/364856/olympics-boxing-imane-khelif-angela-carini

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

i'm really grateful for people and outlets that do the work to explain things like these in a clear and lucid manner. most people i talk to just aren't informed on exactly how unhinged and bigoted rowling really is. just blatant lies like saying that trans people weren't targeted by the nazis.

of course, there are lots of people who are bigots and recognized as such... rowling, though, still "passes" to a lot of people as a feminist, someone who supports "women's rights". i'm a descriptivist, not a prescriptivist, but some people take her being described as a "TERF" as indicating that she's a feminist, and to me, that claim just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

the question for me comes back to that question "gender critical" transphobes love to ask: what is a woman? i don't have a coherent, consistent answer to that. i don't feel like i need one. to rowling, to any other "gender critical" transphobe, though, the question seems to be critical, and there's one answer they seem to land on, over and over again. women are, as rowling phrases it, "large gamete producers". i do not believe that defining women solely in terms of their reproductive capacity is compatible with feminism.

i also appreciate that the explainer points out the links between transphobia and racism. there are many, many different sorts of women. when transphobes create norms for womanhood in an attempt to exclude trans women, those norms are invariably centered around white cis women. those norms invariably lead to declarations that cis women of color are "men". people attempting to "objectively" determine womanhood will do things like examine facial bone structure. you may or may not recognize this as the basis of phrenology, a 19th century racist pseudoscience.

i also appreciated this last paragraph:

“Trans issues in particular challenge … biblical concepts of gender,” Sophie Bjork-James, a Vanderbilt University anthropologist who studies the religious right, previously told Vox. “Evangelicals tend to believe that men and women have very different qualities that are innate in us. I think there’s a huge interest in maintaining a gender binary because it really does provide a foundation for their theology and their everyday lives.”

bjork-james is polite. i am less polite. where she says "biblical concepts of gender", i say patriarchy. there is evidence for this. if you read transphobic ideas, you will invariably come across somebody, at some point, talk about "gender ideology". this is a specific term with a specific origin. it is a theological concept created and promulgated by the roman catholic church, which is quite literally a patriarchy. biblical ideas of gender state that men should have dominion over women, that this is the divinely ordained natural order.

now, maybe rowling does not personally believe this. i don't know. if "gender critical" transphobes reject the patriarchal framing of "gender ideology", i do not know in what ways they reject it, what they believe instead. they also, at every step, make common cause with the patriarchal forces that seek to stamp out "gender ideology". their attempts to "advocate for women" lead, solely and inevitably, to actively working towards effecting patriarchal power over other people's bodily autonomy.

it is no longer possible for one to oppose trans rights and have a legitimate claim to "feminism", if it ever was. (i'm not interested in litigating the past.) transphobic beliefs are inherently patriarchal, homophobic, and racist. full stop.

Thanks for sharing, ums - I had little context or knowledge around this BS and had largely avoided it. Summed things up quite well and it's crazy how once again this shit ties back to Russia:

Exactly what led to the (2023 IBA disqualification) statement is unclear. The IBA did not disclose documentation at the time or reveal what tests were conducted. Questions were also raised because the organization, which was led by Russian official Umar Kremlev, did not disqualify Khelif until after she had already beaten a Russian boxer.

Like JFC... Also I don't feel enough heat is being pushed on Carini for stoking these flames of hate with her reaction in the ring.

Carini issued an apology a few days later I believe, don't think this is mentioned in the article, or by the transphobes of course.

most people i talk to just aren't informed on exactly how unhinged and bigoted rowling really is.

It's almost like being a billionaire is its own "mind virus"

xp The article mentioned it, but that initial reaction she made was a choice, and not a sportsmanlike one. I feel this would not have been nearly as big of a deal if she hadn't made the statements she did and simply just lost the match via KO or something. There was a clear axe to grind and the damage is already done. Maybe I'm out of line but I feel a simple apology now is a bit weak given the results of her actions.

(xp) It's an old article but...

Following the attention on this week’s match, Carini has said she’d like to apologize to Khelif: “If the I.O.C. said she can fight, I respect that decision.”

I think the fact that Imane Khelif is a huge national hero in Algeria, a Muslim country, speaks volumes. Meanwhile in the West...

the thing about Carini is, it could have been as simple as sour grapes over getting rocked so early into the match, it could have been more sinister...it's not clear. I can see a read on "I've never been hit that hard before" that is meant to dog whistle "because I usually fight WOMEN", but...I don't know.

the knowledge about Khelif's IBC disqualification was already known by transphobes/creepy conservatives and Carini's reaction gave them the rocket fuel to use her reaction to confirm what they already believed. I do think Carini tried to apologize and say "that's not what i meant by my reaction" but there are things you can't put back in the bag.

the right's gross obsession with their rigid, incorrect views of gender/sexuality is harder and harder to stomach. attacks on Khelif put a huge damper on the Olympics for me, what a dour, toxic thing to happen

now their pivot is "we're not transphobic, we're saying she is ACTUALLY A MAN" and not understanding that all of these behaviors and statements clearly emanate from transphobic thinking even if the person in question isn't actually trans...the hate comes from the same water spout

Later on there were also some other boxers doing this, which seems a lot more calculated, and which has been taken up enthusiastically by the TERFs.

https://i.imgur.com/SnVhJfJ.png

I missed that and was glad for not knowing about it :/

Matt Bernstein and Natalie Wynn had a pretty good convo about Rowling and the weird obsession of transvestigating, getting into the bizarre implications that the moral panic is generating;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiczrQtzlBc

https://open.spotify.com/episode/6LNBA8hk4YNOMQrOXIT0Yx?si=94HEEF85T8iDp-QJoVf36w

it's sort of an ouroboros, I think (xp to Neanderthal). as I alluded to in my first post and Kate just articulated in much more depth, transphobia stems from misogyny and sexism: policing what women are, what they can do, who they get to be, what claims they can make about themselves, and who controls these determinations is fundamental to transphobia.

it's why they think "can you define a woman?" is a steel rhetorical trap and not "can you define a man?" -- men can be whatever they want; masculinity imposes limits but it's a far cry from femininity. of course that doesn't make them not transphobic towards trans men, as transphobia has become its own force and policing the gender binary follows its destructive logic.

and yeah, this is the poisonous irony of "terfness" -- a powerful, prominent woman waving a flag that says feminism on it while viciously attacking another woman for failing to conform to a stereotypical, restrictive conception of womanhood. I'm having trouble finding details about this, but last summer I read something about whichever federation regulates pro chess wanting to start doing sex verification -- that kind of blew my mind.

I really do recommend that Tested podcast, hearing the details of why and how athletic sex-testing is done (it started in the 1920s!) and how ludicrously unscientific it is is pretty wild

Matt Bernstein and Natalie Wynn had a pretty good convo about Rowling and the weird obsession of transvestigating, getting into the bizarre implications that the moral panic is generating;

― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish)

mia mulder did a video about transvestigation a while back, utterly insane. also insanely racist... the whole thing stems from that fox news bit where someone accused michelle obama of actually being a "man" and people just picked that up and ran with it. it gets pretty crazy. like, you have these "transvestigators" claiming that elliot page is a man. which he is. to be clear, he is, he is a man, but what they're saying is that he's a _cis man_ who transitioned to beng a woman and then transitioned _back_ to being a man because... shit, i don't know. brainworms all around.

it's sort of an ouroboros, I think (xp to Neanderthal). as I alluded to in my first post and Kate just articulated in much more depth, transphobia stems from misogyny and sexism: policing what women are, what they can do, who they get to be, what claims they can make about themselves, and who controls these determinations is fundamental to transphobia.

well, to clarify, this might seem like a minor distinction, but to me it's an important distinction... i don't think it's necessarily rooted in misogyny so much as patriarchy. patriarchy is an ideology - it's not something that's promulgated entirely by men or something that is entirely directed at women. anybody can promote it, and everybody suffers from it, in different ways. i wasn't ever a man, but living as a man among men, i became very aware of the ways in which masculinity is policed, the ways patriarchy hurts men.

if you ask me, the reason transphobes ask how to define a woman and not to define a man is because "man" is an "unmarked" category - it is the "normal" from which everything else deviates. there's a certain amount of privilege to that, but the price of that is that you have to conform pretty strictly to those norms. women wearing trousers is accepted now (it wasn't always), but men wearing skirts and dresses is still _heavily_ stigmatized. those sumptuary codes, they are double-edged swords - you can be completely invisible as long as you're conforming to it, but once you deviate you become hypervisible. and the fascinating thing is that, i mean, there are slurs for trans women, but people don't call us those slurs on the street. when they call us slurs, they always call us the same slur: faggot. to me, this suggests that their objections aren't simply about gender at all. they're opposed to _queerness_. look at, for instance, all these bans on drag. it's not that they don't know the _difference_ between trans women and men in drag - they don't care. this whole idea some people have that you can be lgb-affirming but not trans-affirming, it doesn't hold up when you look at the reality of how these things are put into place. these days it's always, always done in a way that reinforces heteronormativity.

it's why they think "can you define a woman?" is a steel rhetorical trap and not "can you define a man?" -- men can be whatever they want; masculinity imposes limits but it's a far cry from femininity. of course that doesn't make them not transphobic towards trans men, as transphobia has become its own force and policing the gender binary follows its destructive logic.

― rob

well i mean it is fascinating, and this is one of the key reasons i say "patriarchy" and not "misogyny" - because the transphobes will say "we're not transphobic, we recognize trans men as women." i'm sorry, what? what the fuck did you just say? it's just such a _staggering_ insult to me. they say "you're a woman, you can present however you like, you can wear pants, you can be 'butch'". yes, in fact, women _can_ be butch. i think that's good, i support that, i defend that. and men can also be trans men. it's like that old story of queen victoria refusing to acknowledge that it was _possible_ to be a lesbian. they just don't understand transmasculinity on a basic conceptual level. they look at the things trans guys do and they're like "don't do that, you're defiling your own womanhood" like excuse me? i thought they were just saying "women" can do anything they want? but now they're arguing against mastectomies and hormones and _hysterectomies_ for people they insist on saying are "women".

i'm sorry what how the fuck are you a feminist when you're saying someone can't get a hysterectomy. i see transphobes making fun of us all the time for saying women can have penises, but what the fuck are they saying here, you can have a hysterectomy if you're a woman, but not if you're a man? is that the "logic" here? what the actual fuck?

there's no coherent argument for that as "feminist". that's patriarchy. plain and simple.

It's almost like being a billionaire is its own "mind virus"

― octobeard

even by billionaire standards the stuff she's saying is utterly bonkers. i mean, jennifer pritzker is a billionaire, as any number of conspiracy theorists will never stop telling you.

Matt Bernstein and Natalie Wynn had a pretty good convo about Rowling and the weird obsession of transvestigating, getting into the bizarre implications that the moral panic is generating;

Just been watching this, it's the third of his videos I've seen this week and I like them a lot, really good to have Natalie just chatting and not under pressure to produce another masterpiece, but also I'm afraid I hate his host-read ads, they just seem tonally jarring.

Sorry to even give oxygen to this bigot but I'm really angry about this: https://www.out.com/gay-athletes/jk-rowling-transphobic-speech-barbra-banda

Similar to Khelif situation. Banda was a national and local hero for women's soccer players this year for her incredible season in THE NWSL, winning my hometown the title.

Now, she's rewarded with a hate campaign claiming she's a man, so now in addition to online harassment, we have to worry about Rowling Acolytes showing up at games shouting bullshit at her

ugh.

(nice to see the player's association director coming out strong though)

I've been listening to a podcast called Tested about the history & present of "sex-testing" in women's athletics. It's taking me a while to get through because it's consistently enraging & heartbreaking

Rowling taking an inevitable step towards going full-on QAnon.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/01/01/jk-rowling-trans-kids/

Yeah, some of this seems the sorta-expected result of getting pushback from one’s shitty position, and then just doubling-down and retreating such that you burrow even further down the rabbit hole. It’s like there’s a need to escalate intensity as a result of the inability to accept non-confirming reactions

naomi wolf syndrom

This should surprise no one: https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/02/06/jk-rowling-donald-trump-trans-sport-ban/

Dumbledore is still gay.

Dumbledoge

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1jt4cpu/jk_rowling_takes_the_day_off_from_harassing_trans/

What a miserable person she is

more like joanne keeps fouling

More like Scary Nutter amirite

Scary Nutter and the Echo Chamber of Brainworms

Quidditch Anon

Haha: https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/12/19/fortnite-leaker-spoiled-harry-potter-crossover-over-j-k-rowlings-trans-views/

Best way to spoil the collaboration is to hack into the mainframe and delete all of the Harry Potter content

somebody should tell jkr kids are changing their gender with polyjuice potion

Precisely why I will never stop criticising “feminist” transphobes.

At least 12 Women’s Institute (WI) groups are closing or considering closure after the organisation barred transgender women from membership.

Members say more groups are likely to close, and that the federation’s decision has opened up a toxic, traditionalist culture that will deter younger women from joining.

Branches said they felt forced to shut after the National Federation of Women’s Institutes (NFWI) confirmed that, from April, membership will be restricted to those registered female at birth. Several plan to relaunch as independent social groups.

The WI is one of the UK’s largest voluntary organisations, with thousands of local branches and about 180,000 members nationwide.