Penn & Teller's Bullshit!

Save your cash and get them off of BitTorrent.

"Penn is such an ardent atheist he refuses to go to weddings" writes Joshua Quittner in a PJ profile in WIRED 2.09.

His thinking is very simplistic and just as reactionary as the other side of the idiot polemic he argues against. The only decent things I've seen on the show are the less ideological stuff-like designer water, for example.

I know someone who loves him, but she's a sucker for any athetist with a penis.

OTM (your opinion, not the libertarian one)

You know what? Every episode of this that I've seen has pissed me off. Ok, fuck this show.

I watched the online clip of that last night because of this thread, and it seemed to follow the formula. Here's this venerated respectable person who agrees with us, and... sheesh! Look at this fuckin' idiot!... who represents our opposition.

Keep in mind, Penn is the type of person who claims to hate wacko pseudo-pundits... and then he pops up in shit like "Michael Moore Hates America." He's a boob.

I've only seen the War On Drugs episode thanks to Elvis and S. Cindy, and that one was great, incidentally.

yeah, i really dislike the show for this reason. it makes for good comedy, but i wish their targets weren't so easy. they sweep a stupid hippie off the beach so they can say "look! hippies are stupid!"

Statistics used by pro-death penalty people that supposedly prove that capital punishment deters crime.

yeah i don't know much about them, other than the songs on rock band and guitar here...are they "political" or some shit? i guess they are the new Rush kinda so maybe they have weirdo libertarian leanings and shit

An in-law of mine has been tweeting obsessively on facebook about the recycling episode, telling everybody to stop recycling. Could anyone who has seen the episode break this down for me? The only clue I've got from this thread is:

The PETA one is the scariest thing ever. But I think the recycling one failed.
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:01 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

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from what i remember someone figured out the pollution/resoureces it takes to drive trucks to places and pick up news papers and then break them down vs just dumping them in a field, and it's supposedly WORSE for the environment to have all these extra trucks and factories running to reuse this stuff

Oh, I'm sure...

Also, for every action there is a reaction.

As in, we get to have our burgers in biodegradeable boxes, only get a shopping plastic bag when we really need it, and so on. So, Newspapers are given out free to train travellers, everyone tales one, only 50% of them are read, and 95% are left on the train to get recycled and reprinted. I vote we sack free papers.

xp ok (or not, depending on whether that's true) but recycling is not just about energy saving, it's about not giving over the whole of your countryside to massive stinky unhealthy landfill sites.

Yeah, I was thinking about that. And not stripping the countryside of natural resources in the first place.

stuff like paper might be better made from renewable resources rather than recycled, iirc. like to see the arguments against recycling rarer materials with finite supplies.

aren't these guys more or less global warming sceptics tho? fucking libertarians

Wow - he just posted on it for the third time today.

Getting the trash picked up at my curb is more expensive and uses more resources than simply throwing it out the window and letting it pile up in my backyard. Therefore trash pickup is bullshit.

That's the level of thought these libertarian asshats seem to operate under. Teller is a great magician though. Shame they had to go down this path.

Getting the trash picked up at my curb is more expensive and uses more resources than simply throwing it out the window and letting it pile up in my backyard.

this is only true in the short-term duh

Teller speaks! Wizard-level misdirection!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5x14AwElOk

This is still his best piece. Too bad there's not a clean version up without people talking on top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un1pNtmYguA

I remember a "travels around the world" TV series they did, which was excellent and one I'd buy if it were available..

Teller did a bit of a video diary on it.

I'm finally watching this show, it's pretty great. The show about going green was so awesome. Some of them present really interesting points of view that I hadn't thought of, and never really see when these topics come up. They must get a lot of shit from leftists. Also, <3 the blonde with the perfect huge tits

definitely some interesting POVs on this show, but I certainly wouldn't take anything away from it, it's about the least objective thing on TV right now

Nothing's objective on TV.

The organic one was awesome too

seeing doc directed by Teller, Tim's Vermeer, tonight. It's on the Oscar shortlist of 15.

I like crawetur

There was good Vanity Fair article about that Vermeer story and the accompanying documentary recently.

yall know this show sites fake corporate research real news sources wont touch right

aka liberty

eh their smugness would be more tolerable if i knew they were using reliable data instead of sourcing it from whatever shady corporate funded fake laboratories

― ice cr?m, Friday, 7 January 2011 14:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

They're talking about a different thing, a documentary about Vermeer.

Verneer of respectability

I think I got through about 3 seasons, possibly more, a couple of years ago before I gave up on it.
At that point i just found the inherent political slant too grating. Seemed they only wanted to be cynical in one direction.

Not sure how many series there are and that was around 2009 or 10 that i was watching it. Had to download it from Demonoid or something.

man I forgot how much I hated this show

They're talking about a different thing, a documentary about Vermeer.

wow i couldnt tell that by all the posts talking abt the documentary abt vermeer *j/o motion*

i read the vanity fair piece it does sound cool tho but the more important point is bullshit is bullshit these guys are disgusting

yes but tell me amore about the blonde with the huge perfect tits?

So, they are touring the UK next year

http://static.phx2.tvgcdn.net/MediaBin/Content/101004/News/Todays_News_Our_Take/5_fri/101008mag-penn-jillette1.jpg

this diet :/

http://www.grubstreet.com/2016/08/penn-jillette-thinks-watermelon-is-magic.html

If it worked for him, ok, that's fine. Some people need a drastic change from old habits. Not anything I'd recommend for others. Especially anyone who isn't worth at least a few million dollars and can afford whatever medical assistance they need if things go south.

he had some awful illness a couple years ago, was painfully thin after.

I guess there's a whole bunch of things he can't eat anymore.

that's contrary to everything he's publicly said over and over, which is that he lost weight deliberately for health reasons

with all that fiber and hot pepper his shits must just be phenomenal

I don't see anything wrong with his diet? It doesn't seem as unpleasant as most vegans I know with the fake meats and stuff.

The blueberry cayenne thing, I'm going to try.

yeah that piqued my curiosity tbh

diet sounds pretty healthful to me too, any vegetarians around to weigh in on this? like he says, seems like he eats a lot, it's just mostly fruits and veggies. isn't that what we're all supposed to be doing?

He starves himself and then he overeats. He also has periods of not eating nutritiously, which is disguised by all the veggies and fruit he eats, but most of us are guilty of that.

Intermittent fasting isn't starving yourself.

Only thing that sticks out to me is that it's very light on protein but Furman is largely anti-protein IIRC.

He describes eating several pounds of food, really prodigious quantities, and he'll follow that up with huge snacks four hours later. And periodically going 36 hours without food sounds more like deprivation than fasting.

No, that's a pretty standard fasting style - eat dinner, skip a day, eat breakfast.

His 'pounds of food' is watermelon, which has a crazy high water content even for fruit. It's not like eating four pounds of beef or French fries.

but I don't see any particular health benefit in eating tons of watermelon?

like it's a nutritious and hydrating fruit to consume but id imagine the absorption of the vitamins in it isn't infinite, and like there's only so much fiber and fruit sugar you really need in a day?

Watermelon has low calorie density (filling but not terribly calorific) and the red pigment is lycopene, the same skin protecting carotenoid that colors tomatoes.

Penn's diet follows Dr. Fuhrman's guidelines, basically caloric restriction with optimal nutrition style, but achieved via ranking foods into seek/reduce/avoid categories rather than the spreadsheets etc. used in CRON, and there are few healthier. Some of Fuhrman's rhetoric about "toxic hunger" is unfounded, and I didn't care for the recipes. Most data sees diminishing returns on fruit and vegetable intake after 8 or so servings a day, and I'm increasingly convinced the health benefit of whole plant based diets owes more to what they don't include (fats and excess protein), so I've opted for a more comfort food diet (ie, more potatoes, beans, & corn tortillas), but I'll sometimes have a Fuhrman-style dinner salad with over a pound of greens, veggies, 'shrooms etc.

• Fuhrman, 2008. Effect of a high nutrient density diet on long-term weight loss: a retrospective chart review. Alternative therapies in health and medicine, 14(3), p.48.
• Dunaief et al, 2012. Glycemic and cardiovascular parameters improved in type 2 diabetes with the high nutrient density (HND) diet. Open Journal of Preventive Medicine, 2(03), p.364.
• Fuhrman and Singer, 2015. Improved cardiovascular parameters with a nutrient-dense, plant-rich diet-style: a patient survey with illustrative cases. American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine, p.1559827615611024.

It's not just pounds of watermelon. He eats two entrees and rice at the Indian place, and then at the airport he eats two containers of pineapple. He eats four big containers of blueberries, and the "big" containers I get in the stores around here are all 32 ounces. Maybe he means a smaller container, but he says "big." He eats an "insane" amount of watermelon, a "whole" container of cherry tomatoes, a "big, big" bowl of soup, and "a lot" of blueberries; that's just one evening meal. On the 8th, he seems to eat a reasonable amount of food, albeit three meals' worth in the evening, but he appends that entry with "I eat a lot of food," which makes me wonder how large the portions are. For one meal, the base is three pounds of spinach (is one container even a pound?) to which he adds brown rice and four vegetables, including four ears of corn. This is the evening after he eats a store bought wrap, so much peanut butter "it would make you sick," a whole watermelon, and the blueberries snack in the afternoon. At midnight he eats three melons, popcorn, and more peanut butter.

And whose fasting style is this? For what purpose? It sounds like a gimmick diet fast to me.