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longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 14:59 (two months ago) link

I am logging my work time this week. Since Sunday at 9am, I have done 52 hours, and it’s not not noon Wednesday

rb (soda), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 15:14 (two months ago) link

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Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 15:15 (two months ago) link

ugh, they've changed some of our working processes and now three different departments are in charge of something that used to be controlled by one person. It's confusing, and now that I've raised it, I've been looped-into a round-robin email with all the senior managers in the bloody country, making me look like I don't know what I'm doing.

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 15:17 (two months ago) link

My kids have "flex Wednesday" today -- for my kindergartner this apparently means "do as you feel day" because the teacher literally planned nothing for it.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 15:30 (two months ago) link

They're on a "hybrid" system that (as of next week) is supposed to be two days in person, two days remote, and this mysterious "flex" day in between.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 15:31 (two months ago) link

Right now they're all remote but have the "flex" day anyway. Highly unclear why they should be getting 20% less instruction in this already shitty situation.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 15:31 (two months ago) link

man alive, I promise you the teacher didn’t plan nothing because they just forgot. this workload is untenable, the support is minimal, and the demands from some families are bonkers. last night I held five separate ~ 30 minute meetings with families that hadn’t bothered to read the consolidate intro/essential info packet the school sent out, and literally screenshared with them and read it/explanained it page-by-page. one of them had the gall to tell me “somebody should have let me know this, it’s irresponsible not to give it out,” as they thumbed through their own paper copy.

rb (soda), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 15:41 (two months ago) link

I want to cut every family ten thousand miles of slack, but a fair number of guardians just aren’t trying to meet teachers halfway.

How do I know that?

They actually tell me, when I ask point blank. Conspiratorially, dismissively “oh, I can’t be bothered to read school emails.” I also talk to the parents who do read the emails (often ELLs) who are verifying that communication steams, while not perfect, are at least sufficient.

rb (soda), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 15:44 (two months ago) link

I blame the school for an untenable plan more than I blame the teacher. That said, my other daughters teacher planned things. So did my wife, who is a teacher.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 16:19 (two months ago) link

also, fwiw, the communications in my district are very confusing. In addition to keeping track of multiple daily emails from each teacher, the principal, the superintendent, and the BOE, some of these emails will contain several links, one of which will have some important form we absolutely have to fill out (but wouldn't necessarily notice without paying very close attention). I often only become aware of these things through a parent facebook group.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 16:22 (two months ago) link

My condolences to you teachers and parents in this thread. Speaking as an outsider who once worked as a high school para and substitute, this sounds basically impossible to me — awful for teachers, awful for parents, at least at the lower grade levels.

But I'm curious about how goals get set differently, and what teachers feel like they can actually accomplish. I have a hard time imagining what the larger picture looks like. Do you know of any thorough, thoughtful accounts of what distanced learning during the pandemic looks like — a long article or documentary, say? I ask partly because I've thought about returning to secondary education in some capacity, but for obvious reasons this doesn't seem like a great time.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 16:34 (two months ago) link

It hasn't been 100% terrible for my 3rd grader, who is kind of a natural student and really likes structure. However between internet problems on our end and tech issues on the school's end, she has already missed a lot of time. And she too has this "flex day" which is sort of a hodge podge of independent work and ???

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 16:39 (two months ago) link

soda otm

brimstead, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 17:59 (two months ago) link

we have a kindergartener and a 5th grader doing fully remote school. i had assumed the 5th grader would be the difficult one; they spent all last year griping about school and when the last quarter was virtual they didn't do a lot of the work and we had to scramble to catch up at the end of the year. instead, they've been really good about school so far this year, which i think is mostly to the school system realizing they need to ease up on schoolwork and especially homework while the kids are remote. meanwhile, the kindergartener requires constant help and supervision, is constantly crying or whining bc they don't get complete attention from the teacher, and has to be forced to go to the classes and complete the work. they don't like drawing (our older kid is very artistic which i think makes the younger one insecure about their drawing skills) and all the assignments involve drawing things bc most of the kids don't know how to write yet. i'm not really worried about their grades, bc come on it's kindergarten, but i want them to get into having a positive mindset about school. it's mostly frustrating that they don't get to socialize with the other kids at all; i wish they would set up an open room during "recess" where the kids can just talk with each other.

na (NA), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:52 (two months ago) link

Since last Saturday night...

82.25 hours of work
157 distinct emails
4 new web pages
5 Powerpoints
3 print-at-home graphic organizers
2 family newsletters
1x 17 page literature packet created and sent home for kids who prefer to read on paper to the computer screen
11 handmade hyperlink enriched schedules for confused families
5 Google classroom setups
19+ hours of Zoom teaching
7 individual parent phone calls
2 parent surveys
4 new lessons
3 complaints from parents fielded by my district, because “I’m not responsive”
Constant gastric issues and headache
$158 on monitor cuz my district can’t provide one
$60 on a new whiteboard for my office
$35 new toner for home printer
Bleeding spot on my arm from where it rubs on the edge of the edge of my desk
2 visits to urgent care for related conditions (swollen bad painful lymph nodes)

rb (soda), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:01 (two months ago) link

NA - that's somewhat similar to my experience with my kindergartner and third grader. My older one took to remote schooling like a fish to water -- she doesn't want to miss a moment of it and is very intense about being a good student and getting her work done. She also very much wants to do it in her room, with the door closed, and no one else present (I guess to feel like she is "in school."). My kindergartner is very half-in/half-out about the whole thing, needs a lot of help, complains a lot about it, blows it off (I know it's funny to think of a five year old "blowing something off" but that's really her attitude about it) etc.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:46 (two months ago) link

The good news, though, is that my district just decided to switch to a 5-day full-day model for K and a five-day half-day model for other elementary grades.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:47 (two months ago) link

I just want to say that both of my kids' schools are running quite smoothly and I recognize this is because of a huge amount of hard prep work and current work by their teachers and administrators and we appreciate it.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:59 (two months ago) link

soda, that sounds absolutely awful and frankly unsustainable. Gotta believe it also makes it impossible to take time to get administration to help with streamlining things. I hope somehow this becomes more doable, without the damage to your health. Good luck.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Saturday, 19 September 2020 03:39 (two months ago) link

ot to change the subject, but man, my son is struggling with school this week. It's hard to watch and harder to help him. It's tough to parse out what is so hard for him, but from the pieces we are pulling from him, it sounds like the performative anxiety of being on Zoom calls all day is wearing on him. All week he's been great through the morning and really happy through lunch time, but by 3:00 his brain is totally wiped and he doesn't really know how to deal with it. It's so hard to help him through something I never had to even imagine when I was in school.

Just venting, really, but this damn virus is breaking us all in so many tiny, unforeseen ways on a near daily basis.

― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, September 30, 2020 4:26 PM

Hi! JVC! I am teaching school all day, online, every day. Zoom fatigue is SUPER REAL for kids, and performative anxiety is definitely one of the factors that I see affecting my kids. It's not #1, but it's up there. Every kid is different, but here are some of things I see going on:

* It takes kids a ton of conscious effort to maintain attention on Zoom. This consumes so much of already-streched cognitive resources that students're basically maxed and can't fully attend to class as more than just as a sitting body.
* Rapid shifts in modality/platform (chromebook --> phone --> notebook --> chromebook, backchannel Discord server) are brutal, and it means that kids are always "missing" something, and they're aware they're "missing" something, and it's leading to a lot of expressions of inadequacy. (My email is a sad, sad, song).
* Virtual school is academically unfulfilling. Teachers/administrators are so exhausted that they're not able to offer effective feedback/turnaround on student work, which means kids are basically just writing into a void, and there are few opportunities for extrinsic validation.
* Virtual school is socially unfulfilling. Relationships are either pre-existing, or they are bounded in a flat 2x3" box and a couple of text exchanges every so often. A lot of kids are (either) too socially anxious to participate except as students over Zoom (or) they construct social personas that take effort to maintain. It's a lonely time.
* There are a TON of transition times / shifts in social code over Zoom (small group! individual! whole class! moderated! unmoderated! explicit conversation protocols!) and these make adults want to die inside. It's worse for kids.

Once upon a time, before Covid-19, a lot of parents were pretty hands-off w/ their kids' education, because they mostly trusted their schools to take care of things. However, school personnel are ultra-mega-maxed right now, being pressured around curriculum (I worked 270+ hours in September), and can't do the conscientious social-emotional/ teaching, the 1:1 academic coaching, the private check-ins or the around-the-edges differentiation that are usually a huge (and unacknowledged) part of our work. I hope, now that many parents are forced into these roles, they realize exactly how much care, personalization, and intentionality went into what we were giving their kids... and the difficulty of doing it remotely.

rb (soda), Thursday, 1 October 2020 16:40 (two months ago) link

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longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 2 October 2020 16:34 (two months ago) link

Our district decided to reopen full time for K and AM/PM split for 3rd grade. This lasted all of two days, and only one for my third grader (she got two hours of in person school) when there was a case reported at the middle school and as a result they decided to shut down elementary, middle, and high school

My kindergartner has completely lost interest in her remote class and my third grader is depressive to the point that we are looking for a therapist.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 2 October 2020 16:36 (two months ago) link

my students came in for one day, two weeks ago, and i won't see them in person again until nearly november.

rb (soda), Saturday, 3 October 2020 02:13 (two months ago) link

man alive, sending good vibes, that sounds incredibly hard

kinder, Saturday, 3 October 2020 12:16 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/health/coronavirus-schools-children.html?fbclid=IwAR0Vgan5JL260E-IJo5hM5mRMEWjeGB81CzvVX7mKNtbZE3waJsV1_c4I-s

Seems to be a steady drumbeat of info of this sort coming out -- hopefully the trend continues. It really needs to be the priority to open schools rather than bars, restaurants, etc.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 23 October 2020 14:27 (one month ago) link

first 6 weeks of school have just finished and - hurray! - no outbreaks at our school. Several other cases at local schools, though, so I'm not complacent.

kinder, Friday, 23 October 2020 15:47 (one month ago) link

re that article i don't get why they think it's OK to reopen schools just bc transmission doesn't appear to happen between young kids and adults. sure, it's not increasing transmission numbers but kids are still getting sick. am i missing something?

na (NA), Friday, 23 October 2020 16:03 (one month ago) link

schools being open has to be a high priority. of course it's not risk-free but if cases reflect community levels rather than driving them the idea is spread can be limited by bubbles and other measures. The cases identified at our local schools didn't seem to spread to other pupils/ staff, as far as I know.

kinder, Friday, 23 October 2020 17:08 (one month ago) link

re that article i don't get why they think it's OK to reopen schools just bc transmission doesn't appear to happen between young kids and adults. sure, it's not increasing transmission numbers but kids are still getting sick. am i missing something?

― na (NA), Friday, October 23, 2020 11:03 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

1) If it's not increasing transmission vs having them closed, there's not much benefit to having them closed, especially weighed against the harm from having them closed (2) kids getting sick is very low on the list of concerns -- kids are very unlikely to have severe cases or death, with them (unlike with adults) it really is comparable to the flu, perhaps not even as bad

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 23 October 2020 17:15 (one month ago) link

schools being open has to be a high priority. of course it's not risk-free but if cases reflect community levels rather than driving them the idea is spread can be limited by bubbles and other measures. The cases identified at our local schools didn't seem to spread to other pupils/ staff, as far as I know.

― kinder, Friday, October 23, 2020 12:08 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Same -- we had a couple of scares with cases, yet in spite of dozens of supposed exposures each time no one got sick. One at elementary, one at middle.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 23 October 2020 17:16 (one month ago) link

We've made it through six weeks of schools running relatively normally without any significant school-based outbreaks. Not sure that'll hold up now that the curve has turned exponential, but so far so good.

All cars are bad (Euler), Friday, 23 October 2020 17:17 (one month ago) link

i don't think it's certain that kids are unlikely to have severe cases, and we know nothing about long-term impacts on their health

na (NA), Friday, 23 October 2020 17:18 (one month ago) link

It's pretty certain
https://downloads.aap.org/AAP/PDF/AAP%20and%20CHA%20-%20Children%20and%20COVID-19%20State%20Data%20Report%2010.15.20%20FINAL.pdf

A minimum of .5% and a maximum of 7% of child cases require hospitalization and child COVID death is virtually nil unless there are multiple other severe risk factors (even then it's low). And "child" includes teenagers and even young adults in some of the states reporting the data, and the severity is far disproportionately among the older "children" i.e. teens and young adults.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 23 October 2020 17:30 (one month ago) link

It's also a bit of an exaggeration to say "we know nothing of the long term health effects." We haven't seen widespread prolonged effects among kids so far. It happens but it's not common. Of course, it may turn out that there are unseen long term health effects 15 years down the road. But what do we do about that, close schools for 15 years?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 23 October 2020 17:31 (one month ago) link

i don't think it'll take 15 years to develop a vaccine.
i am not a medical expert. but i see lots of scary stories about how people feel after they have "recovered" from covid and the potential long-term health impacts and i don't want to put my kids through that, even if i do wish they were at real school. just one dude's opinion.

na (NA), Friday, 23 October 2020 18:11 (one month ago) link

heard my kindergartener listening to an educational song for school in the other room, thought "that sounds familiar" ... it uses the instrumental track for "lemonade" by gucci mane: https://video.link/w/Gjpqb

na (NA), Monday, 26 October 2020 16:32 (one month ago) link


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