ILX Parenting 6: "Put Some Goddamn Pants On Before You Go Outside!" is a thing I say now

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Οὖτις, Friday, 10 July 2015 19:51 (three years ago) Permalink

"because I'M the parent!" is a thing *I* say now.

UYD: Oxys, Percs, Vics, Addys, Rit-Dogs and Xannys (sunny successor), Friday, 10 July 2015 20:47 (three years ago) Permalink

I find myself saying giving the weirdest instructions sometimes

Οὖτις, Friday, 10 July 2015 21:00 (three years ago) Permalink

completely frivolous post but: ex-coworker pregnant w second baby. she's naming it "Macyn" and I am pretty IA about it tbh

ugh. just call the fuckin kid mason jeeeeeeezus christ almighty

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 July 2015 19:48 (three years ago) Permalink

boy or girl? I'm guessing girl.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Tuesday, 14 July 2015 22:50 (three years ago) Permalink

just intentionally mispronounce it from now on

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 July 2015 23:00 (three years ago) Permalink

"makin? like yr makin a baby?"

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 July 2015 23:00 (three years ago) Permalink

we've moved beyond the "why" stage to the "no" or simply ignoring stage which is slowly sapping my will to live and/or self-image as a nice guy

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 12:53 (three years ago) Permalink

Hey all. Haven't been around for a while but K now has a baby sister, E. 👨‍👩‍👧‍👧

five six and (man alive), Thursday, 16 July 2015 00:58 (three years ago) Permalink

Good job.

Jeff, Thursday, 16 July 2015 01:02 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh yay! I was just thinking about you, man alive, and hoping you'd come back and say hello. Congratulations!

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 16 July 2015 01:45 (three years ago) Permalink

Aw! Nice to not be forgotten by ILXORs, at least a few nice ones.

five six and (man alive), Thursday, 16 July 2015 01:47 (three years ago) Permalink

yes you were missed dude

marcos, Thursday, 16 July 2015 02:12 (three years ago) Permalink

we even posted in the ilx milk carton thread a while back iirc

marcos, Thursday, 16 July 2015 02:13 (three years ago) Permalink

anyways good to have a new thread

J is starting to ask "what is ____" about everything, it is really cool, like he is really trying to get at the deeper meaning of it, e.g. he has been eating oatmeal for a good two years now but now he wants to really know "what is oatmeal???"

marcos, Thursday, 16 July 2015 02:15 (three years ago) Permalink

haha also xp man alive i misread your post to say "K now has a babysitter, E" so i did not comment b/c that seemed unremarkable, but yea congratulations!

marcos, Thursday, 16 July 2015 02:24 (three years ago) Permalink

So yeah, two kids is pretty crazy. OTOH in the final months before the birth I hustled hard and found a better job -- better pay AND more flexible with time, and that's been making things a lot easier.

five six and (man alive), Thursday, 16 July 2015 03:13 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh awesome! Congratulations on the new job AND the new baby!

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 16 July 2015 03:17 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah two kids is nuts. fwiw three is not as nuts as two is, in case you're inclined in that way

we just flew back to the usa for a couple of weeks and my kids did well, but then my youngest is 8 so why would it be bad. tons of movies on demand with the little screens, they keep bringing you food and drinks, you get to snuggle, what's not to like.

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 16 July 2015 12:01 (three years ago) Permalink

fwiw three is not as nuts as two

this needs explaination

UYD: Oxys, Percs, Vics, Addys, Rit-Dogs and Xannys (sunny successor), Thursday, 16 July 2015 17:36 (three years ago) Permalink

two is fucking crazy

marcos, Thursday, 16 July 2015 18:45 (three years ago) Permalink

I assume when you have three you let the oldest child be in charge of the other two. Parenting over!

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 July 2015 18:46 (three years ago) Permalink

im dying here w/ 2, it is intense

my mom had 5 and i just can't even comprehend that

marcos, Thursday, 16 July 2015 18:48 (three years ago) Permalink

i think maybe people who say the jump to 3 is not a big deal is maybe because at that point the older ones are a little more manageable since they are older?

marcos, Thursday, 16 July 2015 18:49 (three years ago) Permalink

also some of you may recall i mentioned J's autism diagnosis on the previous thread, things were super stressful for a long while especially after F's birth but things do seem to be falling into place a little w/ his services and planning for preschool next year. we found some really incredible home-based therapists and b/c of his diagnosis J also got offered a spot at one of our city's best public schools allowing us to bypass some of the anxiety-inducing byzantine lottery process. one benefit i guess to having a kid with special needs. also J is just doing amazingly well right now and we've seen so much growth and progress, it is really hopeful.

marcos, Thursday, 16 July 2015 18:54 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh good! That's good to hear.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 16 July 2015 19:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the update Marcos, that's good to hear.
My friend with 3 kids says the jump to 3 is the craziest ever. You only have 2 hands for a start!

kinder, Thursday, 16 July 2015 19:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah I've heard that 3 is the hardest - harder than two, harder than four.

LOL survey says - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/07/three-children-is-most-st_n_3229032.html

I think we'll stick with one to be on the safe side.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 16 July 2015 19:58 (three years ago) Permalink

http://adequateman.deadspin.com/14-things-you-will-say-to-your-kids-a-million-goddamn-t-1717985943

I would add "Put on your shoes" to this list.

Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:11 (three years ago) Permalink

Ivy's only 19 months so some of those don't apply but we're already well on our way with "Careful," "You're fine," and "Don't eat that."

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:16 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah I dunno with #3, #1 was already 6 years old, so didn't need the kind of management that newborns do, and got along well with #2 so our lives were fine. plus we knew what we were doing by that point, at least as well as we ever were going to. but when #2 was born...I don't know how we survived tbh

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh god, "careful!" is getting a lot of use now, as well as the related "gentle hands!" F's top three words are "no", "nono" and "nonononononono".

Madchen, Thursday, 16 July 2015 20:55 (three years ago) Permalink

"Did you take another bite of your dinner yet?"

how's life, Thursday, 16 July 2015 21:03 (three years ago) Permalink

Ivy's daycare teachers use the Spanish "linda" to mean "nicely," which Ivy picked up on early so we say that instead of "gentle hands." And we say that a lot... Also my mom's old favorite: People are not for hitting. People are for loving. Usually said through gritted teeth after Ivy smacks my glasses off my face.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 16 July 2015 21:15 (three years ago) Permalink

our perfect granddaughter, who always slept through the night even from birth and has never been the slightest bit difficult during year one, has FINALLY has her first tantrum, tried to scratch her mom with her little fingernails. we breathed a sigh of relief tbh, thank god she's not some pod person experiment and is actually human.

I have a couple of new Isolde pics as well, will post later

sleeve, Thursday, 16 July 2015 21:31 (three years ago) Permalink

Damn straight.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:00 (three years ago) Permalink

"gentle hands" wtf does that mean, like what is the situation

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 July 2015 23:47 (three years ago) Permalink

pets?

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 July 2015 23:48 (three years ago) Permalink

ime it is another way of saying "don't scratch my fucking face, boy"

marcos, Friday, 17 July 2015 00:06 (three years ago) Permalink

Yeah like "don't hit scratch slap pinch me/your dad/this other child/the cat."

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Friday, 17 July 2015 00:39 (three years ago) Permalink

"What did I just say?" is another thing I say a lot.

Οὖτις, Friday, 17 July 2015 02:39 (three years ago) Permalink

I've been trying to get a little more real about "rules" lately, especially with eating, e.g. I keep repeating "we don't get something else until we finish what we have," because she has a really annoying habit of asking for something, taking a few bites and then asking for another thing. Also trying to stop snacks in the stroller and carseat so she'll actually eat her goddamn meals instead of snacking all the time, but that one is challenging (because on the morning where she DOESN'T eat her goddamn breakfast, you feel guilty sending her to school hungry).

five six and (man alive), Friday, 17 July 2015 04:51 (three years ago) Permalink

Also we have a grandparent who sees her every week and undermines all this

five six and (man alive), Friday, 17 July 2015 04:51 (three years ago) Permalink

gah, that thing when your newborn is finally asleep and completely quiet and then you keep checking every twenty minutes to make sure they're alive.

five six and (man alive), Friday, 17 July 2015 05:02 (three years ago) Permalink

:)

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 July 2015 05:19 (three years ago) Permalink

double congratulations, man alive!

estela, Friday, 17 July 2015 05:28 (three years ago) Permalink

small man still alive

wisdom be leakin out my louche douche truths (k3vin k.), Friday, 17 July 2015 05:29 (three years ago) Permalink

So I may have missed something, but I think Nora only woke at midnight and 3am last night. It's 7am now and she's still asleep. And it's Em's birthday.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 17 July 2015 06:18 (three years ago) Permalink

Ha, I slept straight through a 5am waking..,

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 17 July 2015 06:24 (three years ago) Permalink

Happy birthday Em. I was just thinking I hadn't seen her over at the other place for a while. If it's any consolation, our sleep has gone back into a bad pattern after having a really good thing going for a couple of months. Hoping we find that groove again.

kinder, Friday, 17 July 2015 08:33 (three years ago) Permalink

The worst I think: the mom told her she wishes she was never born.
For fuck's sake. It angers me so much. Who the fuck says that to their child?!?

nathom, Saturday, 6 April 2019 06:20 (two months ago) Permalink

omg that's awful. do you see the kid much?

kinder, Saturday, 6 April 2019 09:49 (two months ago) Permalink

That's so horrible, nath. I'm sorry.

☮ (peace, man), Saturday, 6 April 2019 14:05 (two months ago) Permalink

I rarely see her. Ophelia went for a sleepover but the mom threw her out. I didn't realize till she knocked on the door at 10 to 10.

I decided Ophelia can't go anymore. I don't like a toxic environment. But the girl can come as much as she wants. Which she's doing now.

nathom, Saturday, 6 April 2019 15:56 (two months ago) Permalink

Contacted the headteacher. We're going to sit down and have a talk. I feel a little weird (invading the mom's privacy) but still good ab it too.

nathom, Monday, 8 April 2019 06:17 (two months ago) Permalink

I think you’ve done exactly the right thing, Nath.

Madchen, Monday, 8 April 2019 06:56 (two months ago) Permalink

Seconded. Not an easy decision I imagine but definitely the right one.

groovypanda, Monday, 8 April 2019 07:13 (two months ago) Permalink

Yes that's too acute to think back on a few years from now and think "wish I'd said something". If it was just one kid telling another it might be prudent to wait to find out more, but throwing your kid out at 10pm is all kinds of justification for concern.
Interestingly the psychologist I saw after my marriage breakdown told me that in situations where kids are subjected to potentially damaging psychological environments, having one "OK" adult in their life regularly can be enough to minimise the harm.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 8 April 2019 07:45 (two months ago) Permalink

It is a very difficult decision. I feel as though I'm meddling. But otoh hearing "I wish you were never born" just consolidated my decision. I never hit my kids but I now feel it's not a black/white thing. I mean sometimes I can understand a slap is "okay." (I mean: I don't disapprove completely.) But hitting and emotional abuse combined: fuck that.

Being a single parent is very hard. I empathize. But at the end of the day, try avoiding dumping your problems on the kid. The latter didn't ask for it. Poor kid.

nathom, Monday, 8 April 2019 10:38 (two months ago) Permalink

I told Ophelia: tell her she is always welcome, no matter what. I mean it. I hate seeing kids unhappy. A good childhood is essential. It's the groundworks for a good adult life.

nathom, Monday, 8 April 2019 10:40 (two months ago) Permalink

the worst thing happened here a couple of weeks ago - a friend and classmate of my youngest commited suicide after being bullied online. 12 years old. nice bright quite kid who'd been over to our house a couple of times, so fucked up

kolarov spring (NickB), Monday, 8 April 2019 11:29 (two months ago) Permalink

quite quiet

kolarov spring (NickB), Monday, 8 April 2019 11:30 (two months ago) Permalink

Oh no. My nephew had a friend commit suicide earlier this year. I think he was 13 or 14. Way too young. I'm sorry for your loss.

☮ (peace, man), Monday, 8 April 2019 11:58 (two months ago) Permalink

maybe i'm wrong but i keep thinking about how impulsive kids can be at that age, and how temporary situations can seem inescapable but somehow the permanence of death hasn't quite fully registered

kolarov spring (NickB), Monday, 8 April 2019 12:41 (two months ago) Permalink

So true Nick. This frightens me to no end. Sorry for anyone having to lose someone to suicide.

nathom, Monday, 8 April 2019 13:50 (two months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Had a sitdown w teacher and councelor (sp?). The teacher said it made sense that she flunked her math exam (after I had told her the girl and her mom fought before the exam). As a result she might have to change schools. (If you flunk one subject, you have to go to a vocational school.)

Anyway told'em I was always available if they needed me. Apparently the mother never replies to their messages. :-(((( so sad.

nathom, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 09:50 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm shopping for new clothes for my son and I never want to see the word 'Roarsome' ever again

kinder, Thursday, 25 April 2019 11:39 (one month ago) Permalink

I've seen a lot of "Floss like a boss" t-shirts recently, strange that dental hygiene is suddenly so popular but hey I'm all for it.

what if bod was one of us (ledge), Thursday, 25 April 2019 12:20 (one month ago) Permalink

probably refers to Flynt Flossy

frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2019 13:27 (one month ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Has anyone had any success helping a child with social anxiety? My 7yr old daughter does a strange thing that I can only call self rejection, where kids come up to her and want to play and she shies away, and then later insists no one wants to play with her. I can’t figure out how to help her with it. I try to model social behavior by talking to others myself, and telling her that the way you get over being shy is by just talking to people anyway. Not sure what else to do. Any reassurance or compliments seem to bounce off.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 1 June 2019 18:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ophelia is going back to her therapist. Think it’s for the best. She’s not happy. Also talked ab switching from Latin to subjects focused on her interests (psychology, culture,...). I think she’ll be surrounded by like-minded kids. The elite school she attends now is really not her style. She was recommended Latin and Classic Greek but I think humane sciences (how we call it here) is really more her passion.

nathom, Saturday, 1 June 2019 21:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

MA, wish I could help. Ophelia always had trouble in groups. :-(

nathom, Saturday, 1 June 2019 21:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Just a couple of thoughts for MA.

Social interactions among immature kids can be very unpredictable and confusing. Kids can be very random and impulsive, while smooth, confident social interaction requires dependability. 7 year olds are going to vary widely in their maturity, even the same kid from hour to hour.

Your description of her behavior sounds like it's possibly grounded in bad experiences during play with other kids. If it is grounded in one or more bad experiences, just reassuring her everything's really OK won't be a strong enough signal to override the bad feelings that got laid in.

I'd ask her what she feels like when the other kids come up to her and go from there. There's got to be an opening somewhere into figuring out what's happening inside her. The safer she feels, the more likely she can access it and articulate it with you. But, if she can't, don't pressure her.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 1 June 2019 23:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I think all kids are different. My daughter was similar but now has a big social circle at 11 years old.

My son (almost 9) has never had a problem with it and will always just go and play with a group of kids he doesn't know, even if they don't ask.

groovypanda, Monday, 3 June 2019 10:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ophelia’s kindergardenteacher warned me that she wasn’t social enough. Even now at 13 she’s a loner. It’s not in her. She’s interested in more “adult” things. I was like her, not interested in a circlecof friends, at that age. But I wasn’t bothered by it. She is. Hopefully she’ll find kids more likeminded. Hence why I want her to switch to other subjects at school (and dump that elite school). We’ll see. :-(

nathom, Monday, 3 June 2019 11:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

my musician wife has been offered the chance to play in japan as part of a 10-day tour of tokyo and osaka

she'd love to go but it would mean taking our daughter along, who would be 16 months old by the time of the tour, with me tagging along to look after her

it'd be an 11 hour flight from where we are to there, plus waiting times in airports etc

level with me, parents of ilx: is it insane to think you can take a toddler halfway round the world for a week and a half?

can’t stop thinking about amy adams as crash bandicoot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 14:02 (one week ago) Permalink

I'd ask her what she feels like when the other kids come up to her and go from there. There's got to be an opening somewhere into figuring out what's happening inside her. The safer she feels, the more likely she can access it and articulate it with you. But, if she can't, don't pressure her.

― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 1 June 2019 23:06 (four days ago) Permalink

This was very helpful advice, thanks. I did ask her about it and it turns out that the problem was that she didn't know the other kids, and she was afraid of the kids she didn't know, not the kid she's friends with. This makes sense, because when she's at parties that are more her friend group she tends to be shy at first but eventually warm up and play. Helping her articulate what she was nervous about made her feel better, and also I tried to accept that I can't just "fix" the problem, that it may take time.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 14:13 (one week ago) Permalink

my musician wife has been offered the chance to play in japan as part of a 10-day tour of tokyo and osaka

she'd love to go but it would mean taking our daughter along, who would be 16 months old by the time of the tour, with me tagging along to look after her

it'd be an 11 hour flight from where we are to there, plus waiting times in airports etc

level with me, parents of ilx: is it insane to think you can take a toddler halfway round the world for a week and a half?

― can’t stop thinking about amy adams as crash bandicoot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:02 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in some ways i think it's easier when they're smaller. part of it depends on how schedule/routine-oriented you are, because the routine is going to get fucked up. but it's not insane. my wife took our first kid to france for a week by herself when the kid was like 1.5 years old, and she survived.

na (NA), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 14:15 (one week ago) Permalink

We tend to be pretty conservative with what we do with our kids, but I've seen friends do all kinds of stuff with kids that age -- hard hikes with them in backpacks, trips to underdeveloped countries, etc. They can adjust to a lot and if anything they understand less and are less resistant to change than they become a couple years later.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 14:19 (one week ago) Permalink

we took our 10 month old halfway around the world for 3 weeks (USA to Turkey), then with kid #3 took her much of halfway around the world (USA to France) again at 10 months. I dunno, maybe we were crazy? it wasn't a big deal. we have traveled soooooo much with kids of all ages now. but we have had no routines difficult to travel and just kinda figure stuff out on the fly (like, where to buy diapers in central Turkey). We've been as a family to Japan, it's easier than Turkey that way!

L'assie (Euler), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 14:19 (one week ago) Permalink

changing a diaper on a plane is some next-level parenting shit. if you can do that you can do anything.

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 14:21 (one week ago) Permalink

i just got back from a whirlwind trip to mexico city with my 18 month old. we were nervous about the flights but she was a total peach. snacks, books, ipad, lots of little toys. obviously 11 hours is... twice as long but it'll be fine. also people who get mad about crying babies on planes are fucking assholes. (the guy in front of me put his seat back so my daughter and i just merrily kicked the shit out of it until he angrily looked back, saw the baby, and was properly shamed. thus there's potential for edutainment experiences as well.)

also my anecdotal observations in japan suggest that it's a very kid friendly place. saw lots of kids both tourist and not being very warmly welcomed in restaurants, ryoken, et cetera.

adam, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 14:22 (one week ago) Permalink

on planes i do the standing diaper change--stand her on the changing table and let her cling to me. this probably won't work when she's a little taller.

adam, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 14:23 (one week ago) Permalink

we've travelled to Mexico with two (4 & 2) and the most difficult thing was all the freakin' luggage

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 14:25 (one week ago) Permalink

board books are fucking heavy

adam, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 14:25 (one week ago) Permalink

thanks folks, appreciate it!

can’t stop thinking about amy adams as crash bandicoot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 14:37 (one week ago) Permalink

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+take+a+tiny+baby+on+a+plane

mark s, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 14:44 (one week ago) Permalink

fuck, owned

can’t stop thinking about amy adams as crash bandicoot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 14:46 (one week ago) Permalink

we also did an overseas trip with our first when she was 18-months, and did one more with both kids (3 and 7). It's definitely easier when they are out of diapers, for sure. But it's manageable. I would recommend buying a seat for the kid and maybe putting a small carseat in it, if you can swing the extra money -- 16 months is technically still lap infant age but that's a BIG kid to hold on your lap for a flight to japan.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:53 (one week ago) Permalink

is putting your seat back on a plane considered rude??!

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 20:04 (one week ago) Permalink

We took our 8 month old from CA to UK for 10 days (8 hour time difference, lots of log drives In the UK). It was extremely difficult but I’m glad we did it because of the people we visited. My wife and I and the baby had an awful time though.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 20:05 (one week ago) Permalink

New (in packaging) small toys and those books that are made out of tyvek that weigh nothing. iPad.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 20:06 (one week ago) Permalink

Not sure how it would go over with non-US airlines, but I used this on a flight with just me and the kid when he was 18 months and it was great http://kidsflysafe.com/. Pro tip: use some of that plastic webbing they put on shelves to stop baby sliding/slumping on shiny leather seats.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 20:11 (one week ago) Permalink

Putting your seat back on a plane should get you life without parole.

L'assie (Euler), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 21:26 (one week ago) Permalink

what?? i honestly had no idea people cared about that. might need to take this to the "shockingly old when i realized" thread

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 23:54 (one week ago) Permalink

there are also free bassinet seats on bulkheads for long haul flights. BA is a terrible airline in almost all respects but they do this pretty well. our now 20 month old would never in a million years go in one (small seat, move around a bit for heavy kids, etc.), but we used one for the UK and back when he was 8 months and it was very good.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 6 June 2019 04:53 (one week ago) Permalink

(you may need to call the airline to reserve seats next to them)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 6 June 2019 04:54 (one week ago) Permalink

Give them something to drink the second the plane leaves the ground to prevent popping ears, and the same for the descent. I now give chupa chups to our five-year-old, pretty much the only time he’s allowed them. Entertainment-wise, I think variety is key - small new toys to unwrap (as mentioned above), new things and old favourites to watch on the iPad (ditto) with baby-friendly headphones, and make the most of what’s around you - looking out the window, going for a walk along the aisles. Cabin Crew are really good with kids in my experience and when they have time like to say hello to tiny adventurers. Then make sure you have favourite blanket/soft toy because with any luck there will be a long sleep for you all.

And in the words of an elderly, posh bloke we met in a restaurant shortly before our first trip with a six-week-old baby, “if anyone starts tutting at you, fuck’em!”

Madchen, Thursday, 6 June 2019 06:28 (one week ago) Permalink

What NA said: that young is pretty easy. I did it every year (to my parents in Japan).

nathom, Thursday, 6 June 2019 07:23 (one week ago) Permalink

I do have horror stories. My fault: stuffed’em full of food. Don’t. Do. It. Unless you want vomit. Lol

nathom, Thursday, 6 June 2019 07:25 (one week ago) Permalink


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