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Spanking, classic or dud? I was spanked growing up as a last resort only, make 3-4 times a year. It was more of a psychological deterrent than a physical one - not that it wasn't painful but it wasn't extreme (never left a mark). i think the worst part of the punishment was when my dad said "go to your room and wait for me." you sit there with the knowledge that there's a 90% chance that you're going to get thwacked, but you don't know when. always administered by dad, he always hugged us later and said i love you.

all in all, i don't know how i feel about this. in the short run, it modified my behavior, but in the long run, maybe it didn't help me learn self-motivating behavior? i was a perfectly well-behaved child, but the instant i got out on my own it's like i was craving hedonistic chaos. i mean, if the only reason you act well is because of a physicall threat, once that threat is gone do you go totally wild (like my irresponsible burnout adulthood)?

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Thursday, 21 September 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Keep them in a cage/on a leash. It's the only way.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 21 September 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

Kids on leashes, classic or dud?

xpost, MINDMELD!

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 21 September 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

I just found this blog, good reading: http://moxie.blogs.com/askmoxie/

teeny (teeny), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

seriously people, could someone have not warned how horrible pregnancy is?? week 17 and im still puking. sad face emoticon sad face emoticon sad face emoticon

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

!!!!


!!!!!!!!!!!!

teeny (teeny), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

! !!!!!! !!

teeny (teeny), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

I mean I know you've been broody but did I miss an announcement??

teeny (teeny), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

BROODY!?! haha actually ive been hissyfitting all over the shop this week just not on here. actually, i announced it then took it back for my own amusement. maybe the pukes are KARMA.

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

!!!!1!!1!!

Congrats to you and the PP man! Sorry about the barfing, though. My sister in law was sick as a dog the whole 40 weeks, no letup.

The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

aww.. thanks RH. if this pregnancy bit didnt suck so much i might have considered making my own southern army. my sister was sick the whole 40 weeks too. it had better not be genetic.

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

Congratulations on the one thing and commiseration for t'other, katharine.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

dank und dank, mw.

ok, im going to go hang out in the bathroom for a while.

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

Oh poor thing. :-( I hope you gain your non-pukey state back soon! :-) Congratulations and jubilations in re to the pregnancy. But that goes without saying!

I just found this blog, good reading: http://moxie.blogs.com/askmo

Good reading, yes,but I'm hesitant to take her advice because, well, she's not an expert. I dislike the Q&A format because it still, despite her warnings, gives the impression she's an expert. So I'll opt out of it.

As much as I'm a proponent of breastfeeding, I'm now much less an advocate of it. I don't mean I'm against it, QUITE the contrary, but I respect mothers who do not wish to breastfeed. I mean, they have a choice and if they don't feel like breastfeeding it doesn't make them a bad parent, y'know.

Spanking, classic or dud?

Completely UTTERLY dud. But, ah, in some cases I can understand you sort of lose your mind, so to speak, and slap the child. My cousin was an extremely difficult child. I never spanked him, but I could understand that his parents did occasionally. Still, it's completely utterly dud. I hope I will never lay a hand on my child EVER. Really. I just find it so wrong. I've seen child abuse and what it can do. And yes I realize that there's *lighter* forms of physical punishment.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 22 September 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/80/249629990_32987a7796.jpg?v=0

me and the beb on the cellphone cam.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 22 September 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

Congratulations Sunny and I'm sorry you are so ill. That was how my first pregnancy was; the second one I was only sick during the mornings and then I got hungry. Pregnancy is blessedly finite, although it doesn't seem that way when you're going through it.

Spanking... I'm going to say dud, although it's tricky. We always swore we would never resort to it and the fact is that we have, on occasion. But there are so many better things to try...

(xpost)

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 22 September 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

(Pam is definitely not going to carry to full term - he/she will be making an appearance in the next 2-3 weeks. We'll know more later in the week...)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 25 September 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

oh goodness best wishes and lots of love to you all!

teeny (teeny), Monday, 25 September 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

Oh blimey M, good luck with your early arrival. Hope you can both stay relatively calm!

And haha sunny, I somehow KNEW you were actually preggers and not just showing a healthy interest :)
Hope your sickness stops soon.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 25 September 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, we were onto you, sunny. Good news, Mike.

I just put in five loads of laundry stained with various effluences emitted by the sick pewees this weekend. But the one who got sick on Saturday is better now, and the one who got sick last night seems in relatively good shape.

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Monday, 25 September 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

Teeny's !!!!!!!!!! repeated.

Super congrats Sunny!

Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Monday, 25 September 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Best wishes Michael, hope everything goes well!

NickB (NickB), Monday, 25 September 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Sunny, your future home of Wisconsin is rooting for you and Mr. P. Remember: vomit ain't no thing but a chicken wing. (Well, sometimes.) And yeah, go Michael go, much love and strength.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 25 September 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

wait wait, you're moving to Wis. Sunny? How could you!

Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Monday, 25 September 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Man, I totally read MichaelJ's message wrong. Best wishes, Michael!

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Monday, 25 September 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

Good luck Michael! My first baby was a preemie - kind of a scary experience, but lots of awesome nurses and doctors helped us through it.

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Monday, 25 September 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

wait wait, you're moving to Wis. Sunny? How could you!

haha no but she wishes, everyone wants to be down with the badgerz

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 25 September 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

Will they be joing the Madison massive?

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Monday, 25 September 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

I have an inflamed (?) tendon in my left wrist. You can see it on the What Do You Look Like thread. This is most probably due to excessive baby carrying. :-)

Michael, I'm thinking of you and Pam. Hope all ends well.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 25 September 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

joining

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, catching up here, I missed Onimobaby and Sunny/PP SPAWN TO BE! Rah to everyone! :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 01:28 (nineteen years ago)

thanks, you guys!

archel, seriously, with the 10,000 questions i asked, i kept expecting you to bust me any minute.

haikunym, no wisconsin for years now :( gotta keep the kid near its grandparents for babysitting duty. how else will i jet off to cabo whenever i feel like it? ok, im dreaming. I STILL LOVE YOU WISCONSIN.

sam, i love the south. i just long for the snows and the cows, ya know?

puke report: nothing since saturday night.


good luck to michael.

sunny successor's foetus is a packers fan (katharine), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

good lord, our 12 week old faked us out during his 10th and 11th week by acting really mature, sleeping well, not fussing, and now that he's hit week 12, he may as well be 3 weeks old all over again. Massive onset of colic again, inconsolable crying during the day. thank god he's still sleeping at night (although he has always and maybe will always want to eat every two hours, but he's mellow about it at night). we had to swaddle him again today, which is no easy feat when your kid is 26 inches long and weighs 13 pounds already.

this seems to have happened immediately after his second month of vaccinations (we are splitting them up and getting them every month rather than getting four at a time every two months).

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

oh also, maria, that getting hit by a car story is horrible. I told my wife and she said "SEE WHY I BELT HIM INTO THE STROLLER ALL THE TIME?"

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

there's a 12-week growth spurt, that could be it? Also there is a 4-month sleep regression, enjoy that!

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 10:55 (nineteen years ago)

could be. he does seem frustrated a lot of the time; he just started rolling himself over and seems to prefer trying to do that all night rather than sleeping. but I looked at him last night while he was thrashing around and he appeared to actually be asleep while he was spazzing out. weird!

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

and by "sleep regression" do you mean they stop all together? because maybe he's doing that now

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

the books say when they master a skill (or are just about to), it can interfere with their sleep...pulling up is the most frequently cited example but rolling seems just as big, right? And they can certainly do it in their sleep. I dunno, it seems like with some kids any number of things is going to screw with their sleep...mine was great until 5 months, then went all weird and is just now at nine months getting back into something approaching normal.

that sucks about the crying during the day though...but nights are okay? Mine was definitely fussy the day after vaccinations but it was just the day. If he's truly inconsolable I'd call the doc.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

I'm blessed with O: from four months onwards she slept through the night. Once or twice she has awoken but on the whole she sleeps like... a baby.

I bought a sitting chair (with a bump between the legs so they can't fall) but she frigging HATES it and starts screaming hysterically. So much for trying to get her to sit more. :-( She knows how to sit but doesn't really want to: so she just goes into crawl mode or something. Ah well.

She's been handing over things for some time now. It's the cutest thing EVAH (for now). "Can I have this?" and reach out my hand and she PUTS IT IN MY HAND. Oh damn she makes my day...

I'm going to order that Raymond Scott and also a lullaby CD (babified classical music) cause, well, I want my baby to enjoy music. She clearly loves the other one (we got for free from a friend).

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

I have only just read Mike and Pam's news. Best wishes and everything and all that. You know where we are if we can be of any help at all.

I need some music tips, I think. We have a CD from the Early Learning Centre, which has all your favourites on it, but they are presented in a cheapo one-synth style, like the kiddy equivalent of the early days of digital dancehall. It gets on my wick after a while, although it is worth it to see Edith doing Heads Shoulders Knees and Toes. In the wrong order, of course.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 September 2006 06:42 (nineteen years ago)

HMV Children's Classics tracklist:

1. Laughing policeman - Penrose, Charles
2. Ugly duckling - Kaye, Danny
3. Robin Hood - James, Dick
4. Right said Fred - Cribbins, Bernard
5. Hippopotamus song - Wallace, Ian
6. Banana boat song (Day O) - Freberg, Stan
7. Goodness gracious me - Sellers, Peter & Sophia Loren
8. Bee song - Askey, Arthur
9. Who's afraid of the big bad wolf - Pinky & Perky
10. I know an old lady - Ives, Burl
11. My boomerang won't come back - Drake, Charlie
12. Teddy bears' picnic - Hall, Henry
13. Nellie the elephant - Miller, Mandy
14. Sparky's magic piano - Blair, Henry & Ray Turner
15. Owl and the pussycat - Hayes, Elton
16. Ernie (the fastest milkman in the West) - Hill, Benny
17. Buckingham Palace - Stephens, Anne
18. Windmill in old Amsterdam - Hilton, Ronnie
19. Grandad - Dunn, Clive
20. My brother - Scott, Terry
21. Morningtown ride - Seekers
22. Gnu song - Flanders & Swann
23. Two little boys - Harris, Rolf
24. Runaway train - Holliday, Michael

A couple of quid from their Easy Listening section. Half great, half horrendous. That version of Nellie the Elephant is awesome and you can't beat a bit of Arthur Askey. Bill's favourite song though is the Pinky & Perky one and that one in particular does my fucking head in.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 28 September 2006 09:01 (nineteen years ago)

> 7. Goodness gracious me - Sellers, Peter & Sophia Loren

!!

Punk Rock standards done in a lullaby style:
http://punkrockbaby.com/punkrockbabycd.html
(80s, rock, hip hop, country also available)

i had pinky and perky records when i was a kid.

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Thursday, 28 September 2006 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

That record saw me through my childhood - I loved it! I do a great impression of Sparky's magic piano.

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 28 September 2006 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

My favourite kiddies' song is Wind the Bobbin Up. I would like songs like that performed by folk musicians, or something along those lines.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 September 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

Fuzzy Felt Folk springs to mind.

http://www.trunkrecords.com/turntable/fuzzy_felt.shtml

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Thursday, 28 September 2006 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

sam, i love the south. i just long for the snows and the cows, ya know?

there are plenty of cows here in TX but the snow. . . can't help you there.

my friends have just put out a great kid's record. designed not to make parents want to gouge out their ears:
http://www.asylumstreetspankers.com/

Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Thursday, 28 September 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

Please get this:

http://www.coloursarebrighter.com/site/

Half Man Half Biscuit FOR KIDS! (plus other stuff)

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 28 September 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.babytoupee.com/

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 28 September 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

OK, shhh. no-one tell Onimo that's what I'm getting Megan as a christening present. The pink one.

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 28 September 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

the lil' kim? yeah that one's great. be sure to get the matching pasties!

Sam: Screwed and Chopped (Molly Jones), Thursday, 28 September 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)


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