Hello Mudduh Hello Fadduh: ILX Rolling Parenting Thread

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congratulations! a very good friend of mine had her first baby the same day as you and I told her that the first six weeks is all about survival. It's probably a lot easier with your second but it's a big culture shock with the first, I dunno.

what a lovely tiny fellow. I can't believe they start so small.

that drunken sailor look they get after a good meal is just the best though.

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 15 July 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

I think the culture shock is just as bad with the second, but possibly this is because my two are 4 years apart. You forget how you can't accomplish almost anything for those first 6 weeks.

teeny, OTM about that postprandial baby look. I love infants because they are so small and they always look like everything is a shock.

kyle, I've got to admit that labor videos freaked me out. However, I couldn't stop watching them...

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Saturday, 15 July 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think it's morning sickness with Pam; she didn't suffer at all with that in her first pregnancy nor with this one up until now. It's very similar to the symptoms she had with her ear infection a couple of years ago (pre-Ava).

Michael, my two pregnancies were vastly different. No morning sickness with the first one, but morning sickness with the second. Not to say that Pam can't tell what morning sickness feels like. How is she feeling?

Congrats to the new parents!

Cyrus has started really walking in the past couple of days - and raising himself to a stand without using anything for support. Verbal development is also accelerated. Two days ago, he said "baaah" and waved, now he says "bye" and is adding new words all the time. Now when you say "clap your hands" (without doing anything with your own), he claps. Say "where's the light?" and he looks up to the light.
So exciting!! Now we can start to communicate verbally with each other and I can find out more about the mystery who is a 14-month-old boy.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Saturday, 15 July 2006 03:14 (nineteen years ago)

Oh this all makes this sappy ol' mom want to cry. I love love love love everything about Spencer, but oh how I miss having a tiny baby...

Conrats all new parents and parents to be - you are in for a whole world of joy.

luna (luna.c), Saturday, 15 July 2006 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

Ian is two weeks old today; the craziest two weeks of our lives!

I remember those first two weeks. It was an emotional rollercoaster that gets easier after you suddenly just let go. :-) I do know that I would cry at the tiniest problems at times. Even though you read what it'll be like, it's nothing like actually experiencing it. My husband explained it best: you're being pushed into a pool from behind. The only thing you can do is try keeping afloat and not sink to the bottom. It's fun but scary at the same time.
One of the best things I did: Not waking up my husband, not putting on the lights when I did a night time feeding. It was the world of difference: you and the baby go to sleep much quicker.The other great thing for me was not staying home alone. I think I'd have gone gaga.

And yes those first six weeks (and even a bit longer) are all about the baby. Quite a shock! :-) There was no time for much else.

Anyway, it's so much fun hearing about babies. Also reading about Cyrus' walking and talking! :-)

http://static.flickr.com/66/186417262_2f64192b84_m.jpg

Dinner time!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Saturday, 15 July 2006 06:37 (nineteen years ago)

Michael, my two pregnancies were vastly different. No morning sickness with the first one, but morning sickness with the second. Not to say that Pam can't tell what morning sickness feels like. How is she feeling?

She's OK now. The 48 hours of complete incapacitation due to dizzy spells/vomiting might well have been triggered by hormonal changes or something else related to the pregnancy - the GP certainly couldn't determine any other cause.

This pregnancy IS tougher, I think, for many external reasons - lack of money, house stress (moved in February but we're still only halfway through the costly refurb), never any time to relax (thanks to Ava and the fact that to keep paying the bills Pam has to freelance from home every chance she gets).

Pam's first pregnancy was from May '04 to Feb '05 and, thought I'm sure we grumbled our way through that at time, it really was a breeze compared to this period. Of course, then you worry about how all this stress is affecting #2.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 15 July 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

I think Mike, Pam, Ava and #2 need a holiday.

Of course, easier said than done.

I don't think the stress will affect #2.

Obv I know nothing.

I wonder if we can help at all. I think the only help I've been so far is to leave a big pile of washing-up and plant the idea of a cellar under the garden.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Sunday, 16 July 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

a few belated pix from the kid's visit to bonnaroo (pardon the lousy picture quality, disposable camera that got left in the sun...).

at the campsite:
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3238/zolleroo0084bn.jpg

on the main lawn (elvis costello onstage somewhere in the background):
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9492/zolleroo0166mp.jpg

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 16 July 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

I like the picture quality. It looks like real life, somehow.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Sunday, 16 July 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

Here is Edith celebrating Dance Day in her mother's home town:

http://static.flickr.com/66/191531689_b7b97bd309_o.jpg

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 17 July 2006 07:19 (nineteen years ago)

Beauty!

To Michael and Pam lots of solidariety, i think we have same period second pregnancy (and same age of first born, more or less) and yes this one is harder for me as well. I think phisically the reason is quite simple, you have a very young child you have to take care of and that also involves a lot of physical action. Plus, you are organizing your work AND a young child, and I have found this to be the most demanding thing of the last 2 years of my life. Finally, we are organizing restructuring a new flat and moving out when Lea (second one) will be 2 months old. Which is crazy, I know. But I still stubbornly wake up every morning and tell myself that it will be great, that Lea and Sara will gain a lot from this messy period of our life, and we will soon learn how much you can love each other in the midst of everyday life storms...

misshajim (strand), Monday, 17 July 2006 07:21 (nineteen years ago)

ah yeah cheers to you, I think to myself a dozen times a day that I don't know how people manage two at a time.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 17 July 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

Misshajim, I hope you're right about the kids gaining something from this period of (mild) upheaval. I probably fret too much about Ava's development being hindered by the fact that most of her toys are off-limits after getting covered in brick-dust following the rewire, or the fact that it's not safe for her to walk anywhere on the first (US: second) floor, or that we seem (despite our best intentions) to have set up the living room in such a way that it's "Get down from there!" or "Don't touch that!" every 10 seconds. It's not like we're living in Beirut.

Anyway, here she is looking cute-but-tired with her jim-jams already retrieved from the laundry pile...

http://static.flickr.com/47/192084668_df45d18020.jpg

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 07:59 (nineteen years ago)

My new niece, Sophie, and her Great Grandmothers:

http://static.flickr.com/46/192443230_02289d747c.jpg

Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 08:56 (nineteen years ago)

Ava has such beautiful eyes. :-)

Sophie's cute!!! What a doll. :-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

The grannies are cute too.

Zora (Zora), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

Aw it's so great when great grandparents are still alive to see their great grandkids. Our baby will have one great grandmother living and I can't wait for them to meet each other.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

Kyle: I came out in three hours and also had jaundice. Mum says I looked ultracute in the little sunspecs I had to wear under the UV lamps but, ridiculously, she didn't take any pictures so I can only imagine it.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

too cute not to share!

http://static.flickr.com/71/192720172_34062fa214.jpg

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

teeny, can we arrange a marriage between him and ophelia? he already has his costume!

i'm making a miffy pillow for ophelia:

http://static.flickr.com/70/192803952_37bdff5d4d_m.jpg

i'll probably just frame it.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

Am I opting to breastfeed Ophelia for the rest of her life as the poopoo is STINKY now she's eating solids. Poopoo? Stinky? WTF! Please not that I rarely use babytalk when talking in Dutch. I hate it.

PJ, you have such a cute kid. I know, I'm stating the obvious but I need to say it. Her dress and shoes are so pretty!

How are all your kids doing in this heat? Ophelia's head just sweats a bit. I think she actually enjoys it.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

the poop turns stinky eventually anyway, something to do with the good bacteria finally populating the intestines. I didn't start solids with Louis until after the poop change. But yes, solids will definitely result in stink!

Louis sweats like a bastard when he nurses and also when he's falling asleep--only on his scalp though! We had to go out in the heat yesterday but he handles it pretty well--I bring a couple of frozen washcloths to help him stay cool.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

Louis always looks so startled! What a cutie.

Edith looks very cool in her shimmerin' dress.

I haven't seen much of Ava this week due to work... :( Did pop in to comfort her this morning at 5am. She sacked out as soon as I located a dummy for her.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

TYhe shoes came from Spain. I think the dress probably did to. I have no idea who it belonged to before.

You should have a care of dependents day, Michael.

I am going to make a film called Care of Dependents Day.

Remember, you read it here first.

The heat makes Edith drink water, which she didn't really like doing before, and she gets too hot at night. As indeed do I.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

I love all the gorgeous photos!

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

Ah yes, Ophelia's head also becomes slippery when nursing. :-) Now I only nurse about three times a day. I think she's getting enough fluids as she pees quite a lot. I find it all so confusing: one book tells you, you only need to nurse twice per day (making sure they get half a liter of milk) but then other books/friends will tell me you still have to nurse abouto four times per day. I did it four times yesterday and at 4 PM (after a whole pot of fruit) she threw up quite a bit of milk so I realized that I shouldn't have breastfed her. Ah whatever, she'll cry for milk when she's hungry. :-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

I animated David and looped him so he has to dance forever.

http://i5.tinypic.com/20pyrld.gif

Onimo (GerryNemo), Saturday, 22 July 2006 08:23 (nineteen years ago)

THAT WAS MY IDEA.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Saturday, 22 July 2006 08:55 (nineteen years ago)

That is strangely hypnotic.

Edith looks very old-fashioned. Sort of timeless. Louis is my favourite kid in the world, quite possibly. He's so amusing-looking (this is a good thing, teeny, honest).

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 22 July 2006 08:59 (nineteen years ago)

David's response to "What has your dad been doing on holiday?"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/aldo_cowpat/whatdaddoes.gif

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Saturday, 22 July 2006 09:21 (nineteen years ago)

haha, I spot a pint of cider with a slice of lemon in it! *cough* ponce *cough*

If I ever meet Gerry's kids, I'll be so disappointed if they aren't running around in small repetitive motions.

More chaining them to trees/caging them/burying them alive, please.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 22 July 2006 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

I am glad Edith looks old fashioned. I hope she behaves old fashioned too. This morning she gave me a kiss. As iopposed to me giving her one. How about that?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Saturday, 22 July 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

I went to the supermarket this morning, and when I got back, I distinctly heard Edith say, "Where did you go?"

Well, the intonation and number of syllables and look of enquiry on her face were all correct anyway.

The only worrying thing about this is I had already told her where I was going.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:15 (nineteen years ago)

Memory like a sieve, just like her dad.

Ava's really started to associate things with words - shoes (sooz), hands (han), nose (nus). She hasn't given me a kiss though. A Glasgow kiss, maybe.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

We had our second three weeks ago today. A little boy, born at home on a sunny afternoon in the sitting room after just two hours of labour. Home birth was great and not scary at all, and we totally managed to avoid hospital until my wife was admitted two weeks later with acute mastitis. Anyhow, all back at home now and our eldest is as pleased as punch to have a baby brother he can play with, just as soon as he's a bit bigger. I had forgotten just how knackering life with a baby gets though.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yay, well done NickB+missus+baby. I worry about adjusting to having a little, helpless, fragile thing about again too; Ava is pretty robust, I've gotten used to swinging her about, feeding her practically anything and not worrying about things like sterilising bottles. We'll have to relearn how to care for a newborn.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

Congratulations Nick and wife! Hope you all remain in excellent health now and that you can rope Bill in for babysitting duty soon (well ok in 10 years time...)

Nice to hear a good home birth experience too :) Hope this isn't too nosy but as you can imagine it's on my mind - did your wife have any pain relief? Or was it all too fast?

Archel (Archel), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

Michael - yeah, you'll have to worry about defending them from the pokey fingers of their elders too, but lots of things seem easier. Like we don't totally freak out every time the baby makes a weird sound or something, we're a lot more relaxed.

Archel - thanks! The missus had gas & air and gave birth lying on her front atop a big shiny silver exercise ball (like wot they sell dead cheap in Argos). Midwives were great BTW.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

ooh, I'm getting one of those argos balls soon!

Archel (Archel), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

The balls in question

NickB (NickB), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

They gave me that rubber ball to ease the labour. hahahahahahaha I think it was mainly to entertain my husband. It didn't help diddly squat. And two hours of labour! How lucky your wife was! I had about 21 hrs? I can't remember. Just that I begged for an epidural after ten hours.

Whatever. CONGRATULATIONS, NickB and Mrs NickB!

I also love hearing all the ILX kiddies talking. It's the sweetest thing!

Ophelia's eating habits are more difficult, I think, due to the heat. She doesn't eat much, prefers to stick her thumb in her mouth instead of a nipple, and then suddenly screams for food an hour and a half later. She drank for half an hour, which made me insanely happy. She's a pretty skinny baby. Funny how you want the exact opposite with a baby (compared with older kids/adults): you want'em chubby. She also dislikes some solid foods: she makes these *choaky* sounds when eating some things. :-( Ah well, I'm not worrying too much.

http://static.flickr.com/59/196313191_a06edf370c.jpg?v=0

She loves to play with that parasol.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

Wow congratulations! It feels so close it moves me deeply!
happy, happy welcome to the new baby.

misshajim (strand), Friday, 28 July 2006 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

ugh, had a bad day yesterday, mostly attributable to sleep deprivation (mostly self-induced but the kid contributed some too) and my weight loss--I'm below my pre-pregnancy weight by a smidge and am finding it really hard to keep my caloric intake high enough to account for nursing. So I'm having blood-sugar dips a bunch. And then I freak out about like peak-oil or global warming and what kind of future the kid is going to live in and then it's tears all around. Anyway, I'm better now, just wanted to vent.

My real question--the boy (almost 8 mos now!) is not a fantastic little traveler and we're about to take a 5 or 6 hour trip. We did it once when he could be counted on to sleep a couple of hours in the car but I don't have high hopes for this time. The initial plan was to take off in the morning, before his morning nap, and at least get that hour asleep in the car. Someone suggested we take off in the evening and let him sleep part of overnight in the car and we're considering that now. Pros: kid probably sleeps whole way. Cons: we are a bit tired during the drive and when we arrive, and when kid wakes up for transfer to bed, he'll think nighttime sleep is over and be ready to play. Pros: we're going to my folks and they'd probably be delighted to get up at midnight and play with the kid for an hour until he realizes he's still tired.

my god, what a tiny little decision I have just elaborated, feel free to ignore all this, my life is all these tiny little decisions.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 6 August 2006 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

Teeny, start eating Cinnabons. It's my solution to all your little decision issues.

http://ahumbleheart.org/mt-static/CINNABON.jpg

Je4nne ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Sunday, 6 August 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

Travel with children under age 5 or so is so stressful. Hang in there! Whatever you decide to do, you can always take turns napping when you get there while the other plays with your baby. If the grandparents really do want to stay up with him and play, though, even better!

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Sunday, 6 August 2006 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

You're below your pre-pregnancy weight? I'm about there but should drop some more weight. Maybe we can switch bodies? ;-) I can't manage to shed the necessary kilos. :-(

In regard to travelling? We did it once, never again... until next year. Ophelia was screaming and crying the whole day when we went to my PIL. :-(

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Sunday, 6 August 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
http://static.flickr.com/83/221904346_d7c17c2d1f_m.jpg

Come on, people, I wanna see pictures of your kids!


Ophelia has six teeth now. Luckily she doesn't bite my nipples so breastfeeding is a joy. I only do it twice a day now. What a change! I used to do +8 feedings a day. She eats quite well and is growing a little slower than before.

She loves her walker and sleeps 12 hours at night. During the day she takes one or two naps. The rest is PLAYTIME with mummy and daddy. She doesn't sit yet but does sort of lifts herself on hands and knees. She doesn't really crawl forwards, only backwards. But damn it's cute seeing her run around in the walker.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

I know you didn't really mean me, Nathalie, but I don't need much encouragement (shame about my great, looming mug):

http://static.flickr.com/78/217229418_74009f77b5_m.jpg

Ava now recognises rabbits (makes ears above her head, says "hop hop") and cats ("meow"). Showing some signs of recognising letters too (points at signs and says "mmmm" or "ohhh" for "M" and "O"). Also asks to be lifted up onto the couch ("up"). She gave me a kiss the other day! A smacker, right on the chin. Will not stop singing "E-I-E-I-O" from Old MacDonald or "Bob Bob Bobby Bob" (her version of the Bobinogs theme).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

Oh man, I hope Ophelia turns out as pretty as Ava!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 11:51 (nineteen years ago)


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