Hello Mudduh Hello Fadduh: ILX Rolling Parenting Thread

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oh wait, i guess i'm confusing walkers and exersaucers. anyway, they told us not to use the things that allow the kid to roll across the floor. i guess maybe because some kids have taken them down stairs or something. but then i have lots of friends who have used 'em with no problems.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 2 July 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

The transformation is complete. I went to the movies today for the first time since I had the kid, and a little boy about 4 or 5 sat next to me and asked his dad questions through the whole movie. Was I annoyed? No, I was about to burst into tears because he was SO DAMN CUTE and I missed my boy.

"Where's Superman?"
"Where's Superman?"
"Where's Superman?"
"Is that man Superman?"
"Is that lady Superman?"
"Is Superman going to save those people?"
"Where's Batman?"

It's true, having them makes you stupid but I just don't mind.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 3 July 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha, teeny, were you sitting right in front of me? (Okay, Alex is 8 and therefore he asked different questions, but still...) I hope our neighbors in the movie theater were as understanding as you are.

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Monday, 3 July 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

Teeny, I think the spirit of rock or something is delivered with the placenta.

I will commence to drop a knowledge bomb. (Rock Hardy), Monday, 3 July 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

Pam's 20wk scan didn't reveal the gender but did show indications of pyelectasis.

Slightly worrying (dilation was 8-9mm), along with the trisomic connection. Another scan at 32 weeks; amnio wasn't even mentioned so I guess the lack of any other markers for Down's means he risk is considered to be that high.

Pam is very ill today though.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 6 July 2006 07:03 (nineteen years ago)

the risk isn't that high

Sorry, difficult to type during the frenzy of Boogie Beebies.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 6 July 2006 07:04 (nineteen years ago)

Did you have the triple test earlier, I can't remember if you said? Hoping everything is fine and that Pam feels better soon x

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 6 July 2006 07:16 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks, Archel. Not the triple but the nuchal fold translucency test returned a trisomy risk of 1 in 730 (it was 1 in 1100 for Ava).

Good job I'm off work today.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 6 July 2006 07:51 (nineteen years ago)

Big congrats to the new dads upthread!

Michael, looking at that link, an increased risk factor of 1.5 doesn't really sound very high at all, so I wouldn't sweat it too much over that. Anyhow, do you know the sex of the baby yet?

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 6 July 2006 08:03 (nineteen years ago)

We spent the evening with our friends' 9-week old son yesterday awww. He is so advanced and responsive, smiling and laughing and trying to grab the baby gym toys already.

Hoping to listen to our baby's heartbeat when we see the midwife next week :)

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 6 July 2006 09:57 (nineteen years ago)

I still remember hearing the heartbeat and we (husband and I) both nearly cried. There's nothing like hearing (and seeing) your baby!

Michael, good to hear the risk is low! the nuchal fold translucency test is that the test where they put a needle in the belly and take a sample of the placenta? (Sorry, English ist rub at the moment.) Will your wifer undergo more tests? How is your wife feeling (aside from morning sickness that is)?

I tried giving Ophelia a bottle but she started crying. :-( I really worry about not giving enough iron and I'd thought a bottle would solve that worry. Alas, no, she thinks it's not as great as mother's milk.

So how long does it take before the baby starts eating solid food *properly*?

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 6 July 2006 10:34 (nineteen years ago)

Biggie up Pam and baby.

I felt sick this morning, I think it must be in the air.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 6 July 2006 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

I also felt sick. Then I ate some biscuits and felt better.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 6 July 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

best wishes to you michael, I can't tell you not to worry but remember the odds are always on your side, and well on your side in this case.

Nath, I've heard so much conflicting information regarding iron and breast-fed babies...my pediatrician told me to start vitamin drops because there's not a lot of iron in breast milk and the babies deplete their iron stores in the first few months. BUT I have a hard time believing that thousands of years of evolution would produce breast milk that was seriously lacking any key ingredient, so I want to believe the doctors that say that although breast milk has low levels of iron, nearly all of it is absorbed by baby so it works out...as opposed to the iron in vitamins or formula which is poorly absorbed.

I'm really happy that I didn't start solids until well into the sixth month (and we're still only doing one meal of rice cereal in the evening). I experimented with some a bit earlier but he just wasn't into it, and if I had started back then, I'd be well bored with poking goo into his mouth. Breast milk is best and everything else is just kind of for fun at this point.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 6 July 2006 11:42 (nineteen years ago)

"Where's Batman?"

hahahahahahahaha kids are so smart and hilarious

Not too long ago the boy (7 now, btw) cried at something he saw on tv/movie for the first time. Then he did it again the next weekend. Maybe it's my fault for letting him watch such emotional stuff.

The latter was the more understandable, the scene in the end of Return of the Jedi where Luke is giving Darth Vader a proper funeral. This also precipitated a lesson in different kinds of funerals (he had never heard of nor seen cremation before).

The former I was actually more touched by. It was an episode of Futurama where the audience was made to believe Fry had died, and they had a funeral for him, Star Trek style with the launching the body into space. He was trying to hide his face and stuff, and I was like "it's okay, I promise Fry is really still alive" and then there was this one shot of a chimp in a tux at the funeral and suddenly through the tears he busted out laughing "why is there a space monkey at Fry's funeral?".

you can email me if you wish to challenge the truth (nickalicious), Thursday, 6 July 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

Teeny:

Yes, I know what you mean about iron in breast milk. Only, I know from experience that my own iron levels are low. (I still don't know why I don't absorb'em...) Which isn't a big worry for me personally, but I hate it if Ophelia is suffering from my low iron levels, if you know what I mean. Yes, I worry all too much. :-) Then again I still take my vitamin pills as well as iron pills. So I guess that should be okay for both of us.

In re to solids: she does enjoy the spoon in her mouth but overall she hates spinach, sort of likes fruit,... I just know that it's a slow process and that, for now, it's just a big experiment. :-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 6 July 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

This is what you have to look forward too:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/birdnestsoup/chocolate.jpg

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 6 July 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

Well, if she looks half as cute as that, BRING IT ON! ;-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 6 July 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

Pyelectasis seems to be much more common among boys so, although the cord was obstructing any tackle or non-tackle viewage, we reckon it could be a Federer rather than a Henin-Hardenne.

Nuchal fold translucency is something that was developed at King's College in South London - a noninvasive method of measuring the amount of fluid at the back of the neck during ultrasound. It's a statistical screening test, not a diagnostic.

I don't think it's morning sickness with Pam; she didn't suffer at all with that in her first pregnancy nor with this one up until now. It's very similar to the symptoms she had with her ear infection a couple of years ago (pre-Ava).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 6 July 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

:(
I think it should be physically impossible to get ill during pregnancy or something. As if we don't have enough to deal with.

Haha I wonder if maximum exposure to Wimbledon in the womb leads to tennis ability in later life?

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 6 July 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

Wow. We heard our unborn baby's heartbeat this morning. And the sound of it kicking (apparently). Just had to mention that!

I also inadvertently watched a video of someone giving birth (on a tape of that old Human Body series by Robert Winston). YE GODS.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Never EVAH do that! I swear, going through it is the BESTEST thing EVAH! You'll love it. :-)

And yes, hearing the heartbeat is just sublime. :-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

Congrats on hearing heartbeat! Awesome!

Also, stop watching videos. Practice relaxation techniques; it really does help. And nurses/midwives = really, really awesome people.

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

My mum's sage old words of advice: if it was really that bad, no-one would ever have younger siblings.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

I think that Robert Winston programme is very good. They are a bit "Modern Parents" though, those two.

Fast forward to the teenage years.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 14 July 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

I saw so many videos of birth in our birth class that it worked as innoculation, so by the time it actually happened it was like nothing.

Ian is two weeks old today; the craziest two weeks of our lives! My wife had a super fast labor (9 hours start to delivery), everything went smoothly...but then he was jaundiced after birth, enough that they rehospitalized him several days later under UV lights. This would have been fine if the staff at Kaiser Oakland weren't rude and awful to us the entire night. He's past it now, but I didn't know anxiety until this happened.

Things I was also unprepared for: how much he eats and poops. Good lord!

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 15 July 2006 01:52 (nineteen years ago)

oh, and a picture:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6929/412/320/DSCF0518.jpg

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 15 July 2006 01:57 (nineteen years ago)

congratulations! a very good friend of mine had her first baby the same day as you and I told her that the first six weeks is all about survival. It's probably a lot easier with your second but it's a big culture shock with the first, I dunno.

what a lovely tiny fellow. I can't believe they start so small.

that drunken sailor look they get after a good meal is just the best though.

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 15 July 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

I think the culture shock is just as bad with the second, but possibly this is because my two are 4 years apart. You forget how you can't accomplish almost anything for those first 6 weeks.

teeny, OTM about that postprandial baby look. I love infants because they are so small and they always look like everything is a shock.

kyle, I've got to admit that labor videos freaked me out. However, I couldn't stop watching them...

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Saturday, 15 July 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think it's morning sickness with Pam; she didn't suffer at all with that in her first pregnancy nor with this one up until now. It's very similar to the symptoms she had with her ear infection a couple of years ago (pre-Ava).

Michael, my two pregnancies were vastly different. No morning sickness with the first one, but morning sickness with the second. Not to say that Pam can't tell what morning sickness feels like. How is she feeling?

Congrats to the new parents!

Cyrus has started really walking in the past couple of days - and raising himself to a stand without using anything for support. Verbal development is also accelerated. Two days ago, he said "baaah" and waved, now he says "bye" and is adding new words all the time. Now when you say "clap your hands" (without doing anything with your own), he claps. Say "where's the light?" and he looks up to the light.
So exciting!! Now we can start to communicate verbally with each other and I can find out more about the mystery who is a 14-month-old boy.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Saturday, 15 July 2006 03:14 (nineteen years ago)

Oh this all makes this sappy ol' mom want to cry. I love love love love everything about Spencer, but oh how I miss having a tiny baby...

Conrats all new parents and parents to be - you are in for a whole world of joy.

luna (luna.c), Saturday, 15 July 2006 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

Ian is two weeks old today; the craziest two weeks of our lives!

I remember those first two weeks. It was an emotional rollercoaster that gets easier after you suddenly just let go. :-) I do know that I would cry at the tiniest problems at times. Even though you read what it'll be like, it's nothing like actually experiencing it. My husband explained it best: you're being pushed into a pool from behind. The only thing you can do is try keeping afloat and not sink to the bottom. It's fun but scary at the same time.
One of the best things I did: Not waking up my husband, not putting on the lights when I did a night time feeding. It was the world of difference: you and the baby go to sleep much quicker.The other great thing for me was not staying home alone. I think I'd have gone gaga.

And yes those first six weeks (and even a bit longer) are all about the baby. Quite a shock! :-) There was no time for much else.

Anyway, it's so much fun hearing about babies. Also reading about Cyrus' walking and talking! :-)

http://static.flickr.com/66/186417262_2f64192b84_m.jpg

Dinner time!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Saturday, 15 July 2006 06:37 (nineteen years ago)

Michael, my two pregnancies were vastly different. No morning sickness with the first one, but morning sickness with the second. Not to say that Pam can't tell what morning sickness feels like. How is she feeling?

She's OK now. The 48 hours of complete incapacitation due to dizzy spells/vomiting might well have been triggered by hormonal changes or something else related to the pregnancy - the GP certainly couldn't determine any other cause.

This pregnancy IS tougher, I think, for many external reasons - lack of money, house stress (moved in February but we're still only halfway through the costly refurb), never any time to relax (thanks to Ava and the fact that to keep paying the bills Pam has to freelance from home every chance she gets).

Pam's first pregnancy was from May '04 to Feb '05 and, thought I'm sure we grumbled our way through that at time, it really was a breeze compared to this period. Of course, then you worry about how all this stress is affecting #2.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 15 July 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

I think Mike, Pam, Ava and #2 need a holiday.

Of course, easier said than done.

I don't think the stress will affect #2.

Obv I know nothing.

I wonder if we can help at all. I think the only help I've been so far is to leave a big pile of washing-up and plant the idea of a cellar under the garden.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Sunday, 16 July 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

a few belated pix from the kid's visit to bonnaroo (pardon the lousy picture quality, disposable camera that got left in the sun...).

at the campsite:
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3238/zolleroo0084bn.jpg

on the main lawn (elvis costello onstage somewhere in the background):
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9492/zolleroo0166mp.jpg

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 16 July 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

I like the picture quality. It looks like real life, somehow.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Sunday, 16 July 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

Here is Edith celebrating Dance Day in her mother's home town:

http://static.flickr.com/66/191531689_b7b97bd309_o.jpg

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 17 July 2006 07:19 (nineteen years ago)

Beauty!

To Michael and Pam lots of solidariety, i think we have same period second pregnancy (and same age of first born, more or less) and yes this one is harder for me as well. I think phisically the reason is quite simple, you have a very young child you have to take care of and that also involves a lot of physical action. Plus, you are organizing your work AND a young child, and I have found this to be the most demanding thing of the last 2 years of my life. Finally, we are organizing restructuring a new flat and moving out when Lea (second one) will be 2 months old. Which is crazy, I know. But I still stubbornly wake up every morning and tell myself that it will be great, that Lea and Sara will gain a lot from this messy period of our life, and we will soon learn how much you can love each other in the midst of everyday life storms...

misshajim (strand), Monday, 17 July 2006 07:21 (nineteen years ago)

ah yeah cheers to you, I think to myself a dozen times a day that I don't know how people manage two at a time.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 17 July 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

Misshajim, I hope you're right about the kids gaining something from this period of (mild) upheaval. I probably fret too much about Ava's development being hindered by the fact that most of her toys are off-limits after getting covered in brick-dust following the rewire, or the fact that it's not safe for her to walk anywhere on the first (US: second) floor, or that we seem (despite our best intentions) to have set up the living room in such a way that it's "Get down from there!" or "Don't touch that!" every 10 seconds. It's not like we're living in Beirut.

Anyway, here she is looking cute-but-tired with her jim-jams already retrieved from the laundry pile...

http://static.flickr.com/47/192084668_df45d18020.jpg

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 07:59 (nineteen years ago)

My new niece, Sophie, and her Great Grandmothers:

http://static.flickr.com/46/192443230_02289d747c.jpg

Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 08:56 (nineteen years ago)

Ava has such beautiful eyes. :-)

Sophie's cute!!! What a doll. :-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

The grannies are cute too.

Zora (Zora), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

Aw it's so great when great grandparents are still alive to see their great grandkids. Our baby will have one great grandmother living and I can't wait for them to meet each other.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

Kyle: I came out in three hours and also had jaundice. Mum says I looked ultracute in the little sunspecs I had to wear under the UV lamps but, ridiculously, she didn't take any pictures so I can only imagine it.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

too cute not to share!

http://static.flickr.com/71/192720172_34062fa214.jpg

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

teeny, can we arrange a marriage between him and ophelia? he already has his costume!

i'm making a miffy pillow for ophelia:

http://static.flickr.com/70/192803952_37bdff5d4d_m.jpg

i'll probably just frame it.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

Am I opting to breastfeed Ophelia for the rest of her life as the poopoo is STINKY now she's eating solids. Poopoo? Stinky? WTF! Please not that I rarely use babytalk when talking in Dutch. I hate it.

PJ, you have such a cute kid. I know, I'm stating the obvious but I need to say it. Her dress and shoes are so pretty!

How are all your kids doing in this heat? Ophelia's head just sweats a bit. I think she actually enjoys it.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

the poop turns stinky eventually anyway, something to do with the good bacteria finally populating the intestines. I didn't start solids with Louis until after the poop change. But yes, solids will definitely result in stink!

Louis sweats like a bastard when he nurses and also when he's falling asleep--only on his scalp though! We had to go out in the heat yesterday but he handles it pretty well--I bring a couple of frozen washcloths to help him stay cool.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 11:52 (nineteen years ago)


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