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Oh no, those look GREAT! I'll check it out.

Breastfeeding is getting difficult again: she only wants to eat for about five minutes at each breast and then STOPS and CRIES. :-(((( I'm of course terribly worried that she'll be underfed. Boo. Maybe I should just relax. Maybe she's eating enough or maybe she's teething?!? I was very early with my first tooth and it seems to be hereditary.

I bought a high chair yesterday because soon we might introduce solids. Scary. :-)

Last night - she turned exactly four months old yesterdat - she slept in her own room for the very first time. It went surprisingly will (for me and for her). :-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 09:08 (twenty years ago)

Sometimes babies feed a lot, sometimes a little. If she doesn't want any more then just relax. In a couple of weeks she'll go through another growth spurt and be sucking that tit like no tomorrow.

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 09:15 (twenty years ago)

Moved out this week into the basement studio flat at our friends' (vast) house while our place is being rewired. Ava's travel cot is in the hallway, which unfortunately means we have to walk past it to the bathroom and any activity in the kitchen wakes her up. I come home from work at 7:30 and have to creep in and talk in whispers. Gawd help us if a mobile phone rings.

It struck me that a hell of a lot of families (maybe a majority in London) live like this - without the luxury of a separate room for baby. How do they cope? Cos we're struggling, really - doesn't help that Ava's got her first bad cold in a couple of months, but she wakes up every couple of hours and so do we.

Still, she loves the swing, the dog, her bathtime buddy Luke and the grounds (it could hardly just be called a garden).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 10:11 (twenty years ago)

I just found out the newcoming baby will be another lady-baby and I am very happy about it. I don't know why, but I somehow feel safer like this, although I guess they will get together in hating their mum-figure (me) by the time they are 10...Anyway, Sara is super fine, and tall, and really getting big. wow, reading Nathalie's posts I suddenly remembered when we started feeding Sara with solid food. and, oh, was I paranoid, but then everything went fine. only, it really feels, phisically feels, like yesterday. time get to feel so "wide" when you have children, doesn't it?

misshajim (strand), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 10:40 (twenty years ago)

congratulations! time definitely gets very weird. I've been picking up kid clothes from yard sales when I find them and it's so hard to believe my boy will ever be big enough to fit in them, that I'll ever be sending him off to school etc etc.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 10:46 (twenty years ago)

Whoo! Congrats!

We had the 13-wk on numero duo last week and all is well. Nuchal fold translucency results were good (Pam's 39 but the trisomy risk was down at 1:730) and all the bits appear to be there. We might discover the sex (never did with Ava) at the 20-wk scan in July. Foetus #2 is 69mm long!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 10:58 (twenty years ago)

Andrew, thanks for the encouraging words. I realize this,but always need to be told again and again as I worry way too much. :-) I just keep thinking about the midwives saying I HAD TO FEED TWENTY TO THIRTY MINUTES. Argh. Those midwives sure brainwashed me (and others).:-)


It struck me that a hell of a lot of families (maybe a majority in London) live like this - without the luxury of a separate room for baby. How do they cope? Cos we're struggling, really - doesn't help that Ava's got her first bad cold in a couple of months, but she wakes up every couple of hours and so do we.

The midwives told us that it's best to put the baby in a seperate room from three months old. At the time I was pregnant and I could never imagine doing it as such an early age. Now she's four months and I decided on my own to put her in her own room. In the evening I felt extremely guilty, but during the night, when O woke me up for a feeding, I felt as though it was mean to be. It's far easier actually as there's a bathroom in the next room. (Yes, we're spoiled rotten: Ophelia has her own private bathroom.)

ANYWAY, the midwives said that, if you don't have a babyroom, one should put the baby in the bathroom (or any other room that can be darkened and is quiet.)

It's great hearing about new babies - yay for the good test results. It's a flashback but, I still don't know, a flashforward: I'm still undecided whether to have a second child or not. How did you guys decide? I think it's just weird deciding over a new life in a way...

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 11:12 (twenty years ago)

YES NATHALIE. My husband talks about numbers two and three all the time. I'm an only child and he's one of three boys, I enjoyed being an only and he enjoys having brothers. I'm pretty much on board with having more but the timing is what I wonder about. My doc says you want to give your body a full year to recover between pregnancies but I feel totally recovered now (not that I want to get preggo again now, just saying). I would really like to hear people's thoughts on baby-spacing, both from the perspective of a parent and a sibling.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 11:28 (twenty years ago)

I have one brother but he's almost 10 years older than me and we didn't have that close sibling thing; Pam (younger sister & brother - both within 4 years of her) tells so many wonderful stories of family road trips and getting each other into trouble (and there's always so much group hilarity in those old Polaroids) that we were determined that Ava should have that experience. Plus they can entertain each other to a certain extent when they're a bit older and give Ma and Pa some peace.

The negative aspect to Pam's experience was that three kids generally meant a lot of 2 on 1 meanness. So we're stopping at two (but it's more an age thing with us). The gap will be 21 months for us, which seems pretty good.

Pam's had to do a lot of looking after Luke and Ava this week and it's been a shock to the system; two toddlers is bloody hard work. We can only comfort ourselves in the knowledge that #2 won't be mobile until next summer, by which time Ava might be a little more controllable.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 11:43 (twenty years ago)

How long are you in limbo, Mike? Or is that a silly question? I think you might need some kind of holiday soon. Or is that a silly comment?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 12:43 (twenty years ago)

Only until the weekend, PJM. The rewire won't be complete until next week but we're moving back on Saturday anyway as most of the wall-gouging and floorboard-lifting should be done by then. Then it's over to us to lay floors, decorate, etc.

Oh...Pam just called - she reckons Ava's got conjunctivitis. :(

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 13:09 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I completely forgot the language thing! It doesn't help that you communicate in flawless English here.

We have an adorable book by a Belgian author:

http://www.innovative-educators.com/images/hb256.jpeg

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:20 (twenty years ago)

Sarah got home from school last Friday and said, "I just finished high school!" and burst into tears.

The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:52 (twenty years ago)

I've been picking up kid clothes from yard sales when I find them and it's so hard to believe my boy will ever be big enough to fit in them, that I'll ever be sending him off to school etc etc.

I had the reverse of this last weekend - was going through boxes and came upon one full of the baby clothes I haven't been able to part with and showed some of them to S. He looked at me and very scornfully said, "I never fit into THOSE."

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:54 (twenty years ago)

My A turned 5 yesterday. T and I went out in the morning and bought her a beautiful little guinea pig. I think we're probably going to be more interested in it than she will, even though she loves animals.

I've bought her a Casio SK-1 synthesizer which I'm going to give to her at her birthday party on Saturday. This morning she came into the bedroom at 7am and yelled "ANDREW! YOU FORGOT TO GIVE ME A BIRTHDAY PRESENT!" I feel like keeping it for myself now!

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:27 (twenty years ago)

Edith had conjunctivitis of some sort. I can't remember what happened, so it can't have been very bad. Arantxa will remember, should Pam want any, erm, advice.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 18 May 2006 06:30 (twenty years ago)

regarding brothers, my personal experience is quite sad, I was born 9 and 8 years after my sister and brother and never enjoyed their company, only their cruel "parenting" me all the time. But my husband had the same family pattern and they were instead very close and still are. Anyway I always thought I'd want my children to be close in age. So in January, after some months of great fatigue over bringing up Sara always on my own 'cause my husband got this new very demanding job, and over huge problems at my office as well, i suddenly decided and told my husband "hey who cares about external difficulties, let's just have another baby, life is more than office, work, fatigue"
the thing is that, as soon as we said that, the baby started her journey, so she must have been really expecting and waiting for us to finally make the decision.
so well, it must have been perfect timing

misshajim (strand), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:23 (twenty years ago)

life is more than office, work, fatigue

I need to get this tattooed on the inside of my eyelids, so I can remind myself of this fact during my commute (which seems to be the only time I sleep right now). Well, it's an automatic. Boom-tish!

Poor Ava's eyes are a right state - she's pretty chipper, apart from the constant waking-up and crying - but she looks like she's gone ten rounds with Alan Minter.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 18 May 2006 08:55 (twenty years ago)

Teeny, be sure to take your doc's advice. Not only does your body need to recover, it might affect your breastmilk.

Me? Well, I'm undecided. :-(

I dunno. Work? Well, that's not easy/difficult: I can take it slower but still want/need to be here. I returned after two weeks or so. Even less, I think. Didn't bother me that much. Actually I was happier at work (in the shop) than at home alone.

Oh, I completely forgot the language thing! It doesn't help that you communicate in flawless English here.

Oh pff. As if! :-) I have been tempted to speak English to Ophelia but I figured it would be too much energy and it would also mean that she'd be slower in her language development... I dunno, just seemed too difficult. She can do what I did: watch gazillion hours of telly and learn from the subtitles when she's about 9 or so. ;-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 18 May 2006 10:14 (twenty years ago)

Well, we're back from graduation ceremonies and a celebratory meal. Kiddo did great as one of the valedictorians -- she didn't look up from her speech, but she did project very well, which is great, because sometimes I can't hear her from across the room.

The big school musical this year was "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat," and Sarah got a part as one of the gaggle of brothers' wives. The production went so well that somebody with connections sent a DVD to a bigwig at the Orpheum Theatre in Memphis. Long story short, the kids did a performance of Joseph at the Orpheum on the last day of classes before exams -- the first time any high school group has performed there, and it went as well as the performances at the high school.

It's been a hell of a busy year, but a great one. As you might expect, we're pretty proud of the kiddo.

The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 03:22 (twenty years ago)

Congratulations to Sarah! :) And of course best of luck in the coming university years.

My Sarah has been visiting us for 2 weeks, which has been great. It's such a relief to know my parenting didn't fuck her up too much - at 24, she seems to enjoy our company, is fun to be around, thoughtful, but not at all a morning person :) I'm going to be incredibly sad, taking her back to Flagstaff on the weekend. We won't see her again until December, when she finishes her masters and possibly (still merely possibly) gets married.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 04:00 (twenty years ago)

yeah, everybody congratulations on all the milestones. dag. our kid went through something interesting in the last week, he made some kind of perceptual/analytical connections, like a new plateau reached or something. i first noticed it when he was playing with his puzzles -- those wooden ones, with the lift-out pieces of farm animals, etc. until very recently, when he did these he was kind of going on guesswork, he'd slide things around until something fit. but then in the last few days, he's obviously matching up each piece with the picture on the puzzle. he flies through the things. but i can see it in other less tangible ways too, just the way he's relating to us, to other people. he's really started actively playing with a boy who lives upstairs who's close to the same age. my wife says they chase each other around the park. it's all just a small step, i guess, but every step still kind of amazes me when it happens.

as for having another, we've gone back and forth and decided we want to. well, really my wife was sure immediately. i took some convincing, not because i don't want another kid -- i do -- but the first pregnancy ended 3 months early and the same thing is likely to happen again. those 3 months were really hard, every day in the icu, and we also got really lucky. her doctor says that if she goes on bedrest after the first 20 weeks, she can probably make it closer to full term. but even there, there's no guarantee. and there's the whole logistical issue of her being on bedrest for 4 1/2 months, who's going to watch the kid while i'm at work, etc. etc. but ok, still, one day it just hit me watching the kid doing something or other, he was just flipping through one of his books or something, and the amazingness of the whole thing just really hit me, and i thought, yeah, it's worth trying. we still have to work out timing (to the extent that's possible), but i guess we'll just figure it out as we go.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 04:32 (twenty years ago)

Congrats on Sarah!!!

A friend of a friend had one miscarriage, one cribdeath but persevered: she had three children. It must have been so hard for her. :-( One pregnancy she had to remain in bed for months...

Ophelia now sleeps in her own bed and has slept through the night FIVE times now! I'm so proud. And so tired. Funny: now that I can sleep through the night, I feel how tired I am. :-)
I did feel slightly guilty for putting her in her own room as most people I know only did this at six months or even later. So what about you all? Tell me I'm not a coldblooded mother. ;-)))

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 04:51 (twenty years ago)

people put kids in their own beds and rooms at all different ages, i don't think it makes a lot of difference except in how long it takes the child to adjust. the longer you wait, the longer the adjustment takes. we didn't even kick the kid out of the bed until he was 1, and his crib's still in our room. it took a while for him to accept his exile. but i'm not too bothered about any of it. whatever makes it easiest for everyone to sleep through the night. kids are different, parents are different, i don't think there's a single best answer to a lot of this stuff.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 05:20 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I know. I think both my parents and my husband were surprised at my sudden decision to put her in her own bed. I couldn't do it at three months, which the midwives recommended. At four months I was definitely ready. If she didn't adapt so well, I would have taken her back into our bedroom. I didn't really keep her in our bed for a long period as I was afraid I would suffocate her. I know that's silly to think, but I was worried. I figured at four months she's still at this stage she doesn't have seperation fear so I had to try it. We'll see how it evolves...

During the day however she definitely needs a LOT of attention. IShe doesn't sleep much. I don't mind, I love it (most of the time - heh).

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 06:12 (twenty years ago)

(multi xxxxpost)

congrats to sarah AND mr & mrs rock hardy -- she couldn't have done it w/o you! quite a milestone. and now the empty nest era?

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 08:48 (twenty years ago)

The moving them out of your room is pretty cultural, I think. I honestly don't think it makes any difference at all, it's just about the needs of the parents and child. Louis is about 5 months old now and we split time between the crib in his room and our bed depending on the situation. He's adaptable, which is nice.

I just came off the worst night I can remember though (nb I may not remember a few in the first weeks)--I guess it's teething, he's suddenly gone from one wakeup a night to one every hour or two, he just comes right out of sleep yelling. I gave him some liquid tylenol around 3 this morning and I'm not sure it helped. He has some bad spells during the day too. Oh well, this too will pass. And otherwise it's a really lovely age. :)

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 11:41 (twenty years ago)

It was our turn to hurry off to the ER yesterday for a bad fall from the stairs and a deep cut on her lower lip. Poor little one! It was only me and her when she fell and she was covered with blood. But somehow, thinking about it afterwards, I was surprised about how little I had panicked. I then realized that it was because it felt like it was me, and you don't really panic when you hurt yourself and it's not terribly bad. I understood once more what it means that your child's flesh is your own. She was an angel all day afterwards, not minding the cut at all. The little baby in the belly seemed to react herself to the "emergency" and was frantically moving all day. I really look forward to meeting her.

misshajim (strand), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:03 (twenty years ago)

Aw!

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 25 May 2006 09:26 (twenty years ago)

Deep down I don't really care about what others did or think of my decision. Well, not that much. I just ask because I'm curious. For the past six nights she's slept in her own room and she's slept from 8 till 7 in the morning. It's been about five months since I had nights like these - ones where I didn't wake up and stayed up for more than half an hour - and quite honestly, it's great. Then again I didn't really mind waking up every two hours. I loved it. It was easy because I kept saying it wouldn't last. ;-) My mum thinks it's a bit strange. But that's cause she kept me for longer and also because she's influenced by Japanese culture. They seem to keep their children for months or sometimes a few years in their bedroom. Of course this can and does become a problem once they have to sleep in their own bedroom. So yeah Ophelia's doing pretty well. During the day she doesn't sleep much (just like the past months). And in the morning it's just a joy watching her wake up. She's always so sweet and lovely.

Teething? Urgh, I am not looking forward to it. Well, in a way I am if it's not like my friend's son: he had engorged (?) purplish gum! Poor thing. Anyway she's been biting on her own finger and also other objects so maybe it's starting? I was early so maybe she as well? Then again my husband started teething later.

I hope the babycenter website is right: that the first teeth is the biggest problem (and the molars).

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 25 May 2006 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Just like her mother, Ophelia started teething at four months and a half. I'm so proud!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 08:59 (twenty years ago)

Teething is like the worst thing ever. Do any of you guys have those weird plastic-rings-full-of-water-that-you-freeze-and-they-chew-on? Those totally saved us: all my boy's front teeth (4 top, 4 bottom) came in in ONE MONTH when he was, like 5-6 months.

Also good for teething: leave a carrot out on the counter for like a day-ish, until it gets all limp. It has a good flavor for them, and they can chew on it forever without biting pieces off and having choke-on-able size chunks in their mouth.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Oh and my son is now 7 years old, he thinks Ween's "Ocean Man" is "super double extreme very super cool" (fwiw this song comes on when the credits roll at the end of the Spongebob movie, so there you go), he likes playing spatula/balloon badminton in the living room (using the coffee table as a "net"), miming Jedi battles (during which I am routinely and viciously dismembered), and he does NOT like roller coasters (this too shall pass).

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Okay, so here's a sort of weird question: events of the past few days led Spencer and his father to decide to get him a kinda surfer haircut yesterday, and when they got home, Spencer told me that he either wants blonde highlights, or for me to dye his hair blonde.

I don't really have any major objections to it (except for waiting until school lets out for the summer - and that's really only because I don't want it to be a distraction... like the time I let him wear blue nailpolish to school when he was in first grade and his teacher called me and basically said 'you'd better not do that again or the kids WILL THINK HE'S GAY OH NO OMG WTF'), but I'm getting hung up on the fact that I think 8 1/2 might be too young to be starting up with hair dye.

What do y'all think?

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:23 (twenty years ago)

hi luna!

Maybe you could offer him one of those 24-hr washoutable hair dyes as a sort of trial run or something?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:31 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that's what I thought. If nothing else, it's a step up from when he wanted blue hair.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:34 (twenty years ago)

Luna, I would say NO. Hair coloring is a gateway to metrofolliclism; next thing, he'll be putting himself up in jheri curls and/or curlers, and that shit gets EXPENSIVE.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:37 (twenty years ago)

haha my son would punch me in the dick if I even try to COMB his hair.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 18:41 (twenty years ago)

Ophelia's doing alright with the teething. She doesn't wake up in the middle of the night (yet). During the day she's cranky, moaning and sometimes crying very loud but how could you not if you grow teeth! Most of the time she's cheery. This is also why she's eating less some of the time: sucking must hurt quite a bit. Poor thing. :-(
But I haven't tried that, Nick, because someone just told me it's useless. I just give her some ointment (?) that I rub on her gum. All in all she's doing quite well, so I just give her that and a biting ring.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 1 June 2006 08:56 (twenty years ago)

Ava's teething troubles are an ongoing thing - she's had waves of dental activity: four teeth all at once, then another couple a week or so later, then nothing for months. She's currently got about another five forcing their way through - she wakes up around 1am one or twice a week at the moment. Calpol, a pacifier and a cuddle usually do the trick.

Her latest hilarious thing is to nod vigorously, as if in agreement with what she's just said. She has proper shoes now - red gingham numbers - and some pale blue sandals. She still finds my humming the opening riff to "Tears of a Clown" hilarious and her love for Kraftwerk knows no bounds.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 1 June 2006 12:14 (twenty years ago)

my son is six months today and cut his first tooth today! Poor little fellow. He's loving a frozen washrag to chew on.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 9 June 2006 22:23 (twenty years ago)

What's funny about teething is that even if you are on your second child, you can kind of forget that it is not a babies only thing. My 3 3/4 year old daughter has been chewing on random objects and putting things in her mouth for weeks and it finally dawned on me - she's getting some molars. She talks all the time but never told us that her mouth hurt - until we asked.

Sara Robinson-Coolidge (Sara R-C), Saturday, 10 June 2006 14:01 (twenty years ago)

That's pretty early! Though not as early as Ophelia. ;-)Wait till he knows ohw to bite on your nipple. Hah!! Or rather: ArGh!!!

I'm seriously up for another baby but I think we'll wait till she's a year.

Teeny, did you start on solids yet?

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Saturday, 10 June 2006 14:16 (twenty years ago)

Ava's gums are super-swollen right now but she's sleeping pretty well (I've just jinxed tonight obviously). She was in excellent form today:

http://static.flickr.com/58/164424008_c3f325686e.jpg

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 10 June 2006 20:55 (twenty years ago)

we have done just a couple of meals--mashed banana and rice cereal--but they coincided with his getting a rash (eczema) so I thought it best to wait until after 6 months before I tried more. It could be unrelated, we live in a very allergenic area, but who knows. Solids are fun but they're kind of a pain in the ass too so I don't mind waiting.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 11 June 2006 11:53 (twenty years ago)

Ah man, Michael, you have such a beautiful daughter! Those eyes! I don't think I could ever say no to her!

The (American) book we have recommends rice cereal, something which they don't do at all here: they start with fruit and veggies. But they do recommend waiting until six months if you breastfeed. I don't know, I just can't wait that long. :-( Part of me worries but ah hell I was eating solids when I was 2 months old!

Apparently here, in Belgium, only 60 procent starts with breastfeeding. By six months only 15 procent continues and only 4 procent manages to do a year of breastfeeding! WTF!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Sunday, 11 June 2006 12:22 (twenty years ago)

Yeah when I was a kid, docs recommended starting solids at six weeks if not sooner! Thankfully my mom thought that was ridiculous and waited, although who knows how much harm it actually does.

American advice is very consistent about rice cereal to start because it's one of the least allergenic foods, but it's totally refined and then vitamins are put into it--nutritionally speaking it's not that fantastic because of the synthetic nature of the vitamins. But baby is getting most of her needs filled through mothers milk still, so it's not that important. One book I have recommends that breastfed babies start on banana because its sweetness is similar to breast milk.

You can totally wait until 9 mos-one year to start solids if you want, babies who have parents with food allergies should go that long (so they say) because it decreases the likelihood of those allergies developing. (although a lot of times docs will recommend vitamin supplements too.) But at the same time it's nice to get them in the habit of taking food from a non-boob source, I think that's why the six-month mark is frequently mentioned. I don't think there's any babies who didn't figure it out eventually though. ;)

Here's a page on breastfeeding rates in the US and around the world: http://www.kellymom.com/writings/bf-numbers.html

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 11 June 2006 14:13 (twenty years ago)

We started Ava on rice cereal at four months. There's very little she won't eat thesedays (aside from the small group of things she's still too young for - like honey [well, they say 12 months] and nuts).

In the last couple of weeks she's started to really associate the word "puppies" exclusively with dogs whereas, previously, it just seemed to be a word she liked to say. She shrieks, "Puppies!" at dogs in the streets, in books, on advertising hoardings. Pam propaganda, I reckon.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 11 June 2006 14:51 (twenty years ago)

Edith says "woof woof" at all animals and she has now started going "aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!" at anything remotely pleasant (squirrels, flowers, fountains, etc). Oh, and "quack quack" is for any bird on water, such as penguins.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 12 June 2006 07:25 (twenty years ago)

We need to get them together, PJM. For a special occasion. When do Angola play again?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 12 June 2006 09:20 (twenty years ago)


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