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yeah the symptoms all disappeared the day after I wrote that!

and thanks alison for that post, not to open a can of worms but going through pregnancy and childbirth and motherhood has made me a lot more pro-choice than I used to be but also a lot more mooshy about babies and fetuses and stuff. I think it's said so often that babies change your life that it's lost its meaning. Making the decision to have a kid means that my body will never be the same, my brain will never be the same, I've lost a good portion of my economic independence that I've worked so hard to get. And I'm a healthy, married, college-educated, white American 30-year old, I have everything going for me.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 12 March 2006 19:31 (twenty years ago)

so how do you entertain a five year old in a small town for an afternoon?

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 12 March 2006 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Plonk it down in front of the big square babysitter in the living room?

Mädchen (Madchen), Sunday, 12 March 2006 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Go the the thrift shop and get some trucks and Legos and G.I. Joes! Visiting kids are thrilled to find toys.
Feed ducks.
Watch airplanes. Is there a diner at your small town airport?
Go to a playground.
The new Wallace and Gromit is out on DVD.
Take a nap.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 13 March 2006 04:55 (twenty years ago)

we went toboganning

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 13 March 2006 06:37 (twenty years ago)

Sterling's first birthday party was today (birthday's not till Tuesday: it's 3/14, "pi day," so I baked him his first apple pie). A bunch of our non- or not-yet-breeding friends came over, and so did half a dozen mamas and babies from S.'s mama-and-baby group. One of the not-yet-breeding couples was watching the tiny ones crawling around and giggling on the floor; she put his arm around his waist and rested her head on his shoulder. "Is that the 'I want one' hug?" he asked. She jumped. "Oh, God, you're right," she said.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 13 March 2006 06:41 (twenty years ago)

i like watching how people respond to babies. it's like a rorschach test. some of our friends are totally smitten with the kid, and others i can tell feel about him the way i do about some people's pets: yeah, he's cute, but can you keep him away from me?

happy b-day to sterling. a year is quite an accomplishment, when it's the only one you've had.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 13 March 2006 06:51 (twenty years ago)

Happy birthday Sterling for tomorrow! This sounds really banal, but there are some seriously amazing and precious things that'll happen in the year ahead. Enjoy yourselves and eat lots of cake!

NickB (NickB), Monday, 13 March 2006 09:27 (twenty years ago)

(Having said that, our two year old has just discovered the joys of REALLY yelling at the top of his lungs in the car. Oh my poor head)

NickB (NickB), Monday, 13 March 2006 09:28 (twenty years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/40/106764847_c8b0947d98.jpg?v=0

Me with my late grandfather.

http://static.flickr.com/34/95772448_37fadad1e9.jpg?v=0

Ophelia

Ophelia's been wonderful. She doesn't sleep through the night like Teeny's baby did. Teeny, didn't he sleep through the night when he was seven weeks old? Well, Ophelia wakes up about two or three times a night now. I think it's GR34T. I now go to sleep at around nine-ish to catch up on sleep because my body's a wreck. Either my iron is too low or my blood pressure, cause I'm floating on clouds at the moment.

Ophelia has laughed a lot lately. I remember when she turned her head, looked at me and cracked a big smile... and then a bigger one. I nearly started crying, I was so happy. :-)))

Breastfeeding is great by the way. I have to say, few women I know did breastfeeding. Really strange... Well, not really, I can understand cause the first three weeks were painful and, heck, when you need to go back to work... I have given her a few bottles of formula (one time cause I was away for a perm and haircut and the second time for a photosession).

The other week we went for a photosession. hahaha What an experience. She cried of course but the photographer was great.

Teeny, are you back at work yet or will you remain at home for a longer time? It's been quite hard combining work with taking care of Ophelia. Thank god, I have a fantastic husband who will sometimes take care of her while I work.

I was always pro-choice but having Ophelia I now fully understand the implications of becoming a mother and thus understand even better that pro-choice is necessary. That said, I would never ever have an abortion. But that's because I have the luxury of making that choice. Not everyone is up for it. (Is that well put? My English has gone down the loo. heh)

Sorry for the long post.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 13 March 2006 09:43 (twenty years ago)

Oh and she lifts her head! She's also grabbing at things, really PULLING hard at'em. *sigh* I love her so much. I still am amazed she came out of ME!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 13 March 2006 09:46 (twenty years ago)

She is absolutely beautiful Nath :)

Archel (Archel), Monday, 13 March 2006 09:48 (twenty years ago)

She's gorgeous, Nathalie. I have a great urge to untuck her ear in that photo, though! *Wince*.

A little light drooling on battery-powered devices never did any harm... (Oh, hang on, this is how Pam's mobile died...)

http://static.flickr.com/38/111448504_b5dd3cb23a.jpg

13 months tomorrow. Much sleep disruption with teething pains this last week and now she's having to endure our gas central heating installation (drilling and sawing = no naps & great need for reassuring cuddles from Mum). MMR jab next week.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 13 March 2006 12:51 (twenty years ago)

what a lovely update nath! that first smile is so wonderful. Louis's smile crept up on us though, I couldn't point to when it happened.

sleeping through the night--I read somewhere that this is defined as going more than five hours without waking? I dunno. Funny you bring it up because I say we just last night had our first official sleeping through the night--10p to 6:30a without waking up or eating. That seems like way too long to go without eating though! However I know it was because very early on he rolled over from his back to his belly and I left him there, he sleeps so much more soundly on his belly. I don't know if they're as hard-core about it outside the US, but they really yell at you to always always put the baby on its back to sleep, it's reduced the rate of crib death by like half since they started doing this in 1992. So I feel a little guilty about leaving him on his belly but oh well.

Louis has always been good about letting me get enough sleep--probably starting around 4 weeks he settled into a good pattern of nighttime sleeping where he would wake up once or twice a night for a feeding and then go right back to sleep. However this only worked if he slept with me in my bed because he would wake up at other times too, and if he fussed enough to wake me up, I could just give him a little pat and he'd go right back to sleep, whereas if he was in the crib he'd work himself into a state by the time I could get to him. Babies are always going to wake up lots during the night, it's just about how they react to waking up and if they can get themselves back to sleep. And I'm sure you've read like I have that breastfed babies often need a middle of the night feeding into the sixth month.

I am working just a little bit--less than I did before the baby. My mom comes and watches the baby when I'm scheduled to work at the radio station, and then I have a couple of freelance web design jobs that I can work on in my spare moments at home. But it's more for my ego than any actual money I'm bringing in (although that's nice too).

teeny (teeny), Monday, 13 March 2006 13:37 (twenty years ago)

Poor Ava - no naps! Poor Pam - no work!

Yesterday I decided to discourage Edith from eating the remote control. It was very difficult to prise it out of her iron grasp, and when I finally managed it she kicked up quite a fuss. All very traumatic. Then what should appear on Flickr but multiple portraits of Ava doing exactly what I'd just told Edith wasn't allowed because "that's Daddy's"! These older children can be a terrible influence sometimes.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 13 March 2006 13:45 (twenty years ago)

In regard to crib death: don't worry if he rolls over to sleep on his belly. I realize they yell and scream about leaving your baby on his/her back - even here in Belgium - but if he can manage to roll over on his belly, it means he's strong enough to take care of himself. Did that come out right? (I'm tired and my English is, as a result, crap.) That's what I read about SIDS and belly sleeping. The point is that you should leave your baby on his/her back but if s/he can manage to roll over you shouldn't worry about it so much. I'm extremely afraid of SIDS but realize that the risk is small (esp since she wasn't premature, is a girl, wasn't low weight,...).

Oh yes, breast milk tends to digest much quicker. I have been giving her a bit of formula milk and might do this once a day from now on so I can work more in the afternoon. I realize the books/midwives scream bloody murder about this, but, hey, this is the real world and it's not always manageable to breastfeed every time. :-) I know my milk supply is for more than enough. Urgh, too much actually. :-)

Michael, I know that ear is folded! My mother in law did not like the picture because the ear was folded, so we had to pick another one to include with the thank you notes we sent to family and friends. :-)

Do you practice/play with him a lot, Teeny? My husband and I do this every day. We put her on the table and let her play. We also put her on her belly so she has the opportunity to raise her head. It's not really necessary to do this, but, damn it, we'd miss out on the fun of seeing her raise her head. :-)

Anyhow, I wuv my baby as you can see. :-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 13 March 2006 14:16 (twenty years ago)

Little lady Sara has started walking last week in a tripude of cheers at the nursery, where teachers and other children had been expecting this moment for the last 6 months (she is 16 months now). She got so excited by the approval around her, that she now keeps walking cheering and shouting her joy at the top of her voice. which is exhilarating for us.
Yesterday she had her firts walk on her own on the street. She wanted no one to hold her, and was so lovely and indipendent, and i so proud...

misshajim (strand), Monday, 13 March 2006 14:53 (twenty years ago)

yeah I'm not worried about the belly thing, I'm not being cavalier about it but he is a big strong boy. We do play with him a lot--another of the big deals here is "tummy time" --they want you to put the baby on their belly for 1-2 hours a day so that they have a chance to exercise those muscles. When they slept on their bellies this kind of took care of itself but now you have to take care to do it. We have a great program called Parents As Teachers that sends someone to your house five times a year to check up on your kid and helps you learn how to play with him. Ours explained that just as putting weight on a bone helps it get stronger, the pressure on a baby's cheeks and neck from tummy time help those areas develop and actually helps with speech development! But even beyond that he is such a happy little lad and fun to play with.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 13 March 2006 15:24 (twenty years ago)

xpost

When we took S. in for his two-month checkup, the doctor flipped him onto his belly to check something, and we said "wow, he's basically never been on his belly before, we're very careful about only having him on his back"... She said "no no no--babies _love_ being on their bellies, and that's how they learn to push up and lift their heads. You just don't want to put him on his belly to _sleep_. Plus once he can flip over easily you don't need to worry about it any more."

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 13 March 2006 15:38 (twenty years ago)

the amount of evidence vis a vis SIDS and sleeping on the belly isn't overwhelming. It wasn't that long ago that babies were being put on their tummies to sleep, in fact. We did the back/side thing exclusively for our first until he started rolling over, but with the second two we basically did it only for about five weeks. The thing is, they get strong back/neck muscles very rapidly when sleeping on their tummies and then they don't detest tummy time during the day.

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 13 March 2006 15:50 (twenty years ago)

They claim SIDS dwindled to half the amount when they introduced Back To Sleep (?) program (or however you call it). I don't know, I've read so much about it, that I notice lots of contradictory information. I do know that Ophelia likes to *belly-sleep* on my chest. That's the only way I can calm her down if she's crying. :-)

Put the baby ONE TO TWO hours on their belly? Fuck me, I'm pretty sure that we only put her half an hour max on her belly. Not that it's so important. I have read that if ytou don't, they'll just learn to raise their head later.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 13 March 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

yeah I've read the stats, it went from like 5 deaths/1000 to like 3, so yeah that's half but whatever, that's why I'm not too concerned. Also my boy gets so gassy, I try to burp him well but he gets very farty when he sleeps and tummy time/tummy snoozing first thing in the morning helps him pass it.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 13 March 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, my baby was never on her belly much until recently and her neck muscles are fine. She needs strong neck muscles to hoist that huge head of hers. And I'm sure putting them on their bellies probably isn't as much of a danger as they make it out to be, but I always figured why even take the chance? Now she usually rolls onto her belly (and then back and forth at least a dozen times) during sleep. I agree with everyone else that is saying once they can roll, leave 'em be.

Rebekkah (burntbrat), Monday, 13 March 2006 16:29 (twenty years ago)

xpost

We didn't give Cyrus or Rufus much belly time until they were 6 months old. I think that may have delayed their crawling some. Concern about SIDS also made us wait 6 months until "Ferberizing" Rufus so he'd sleep through the night. Worked like a charm. Some people call it "controlled crying." We still haven't got Cyrus sleeping through the night. We've started giving him water at night instead of formula in the hopes he'll stop wanting to snack at night. It does seem easier to get him back to sleep now, but he still wakes up about 3 times a night. He hasn't taken to his crib, and still likes to sleep next to one of our warm bodies (which means one of us usually sleeps on the couch as our bed isn't very big). We're going to have to bite the bullet and let him cry in his crib, I think. Problem is, when he cries loud and long, he wakes up Rufus, and then we have 2 crying kids to deal with in the night.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 13 March 2006 16:30 (twenty years ago)

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Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:47 (twenty years ago)

I think she just said "screw you, you lezzbos"!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:59 (twenty years ago)

Wow, Maria, Cyrus still wakes up so much! Ophelia only wakes about 2 times now. She also never (or VERY VERY rarely) cries at night. We're so lucky.

We went for a photosession:

http://static.flickr.com/27/112424433_c6ed2eb2f4.jpg?v=0

Not really for us, more for the fact she'll probably appear in an article on antique lace. Does she look GR34T in this 19th century gown or WHAT?

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:01 (twenty years ago)

that is totally amazingly beautiful, makes me consider spending $$ on professional photos.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 13:45 (twenty years ago)

I imagine it cost more than two dollars, Teeny. Gorgeous.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 13:46 (twenty years ago)

Great pic!

Maria :D (Maria D.), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Actually it wasn't *that* expensive. I think about 120 dollars maybe? That includes the wooden box the pics came in. We got around ten pics in all. Look around and I'm sure you'll find a photographer who will do it around the same price. He was terrific by the way: even though she cried most of the time, he was able to take these pics in between crying bouts. hahahah We did not get the pics on a CD Rom though. :-( I'll have to ask again.

Anyway, yeah, we'll probably go again when she'll celebrate her "100 days". It's a Japanese tradition. We got a kimono for her from a friend and my mom's practically Japanese so... Yeah, we'll have a party and then take professional pics. :-)
(http://www.mtu.ne.jp/~hirofumi/ourbaby001.htm)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:41 (twenty years ago)

A short first-birthday video of Sterling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS6TPmpX8qM

Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Great stuff, Douglas!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)

Neither as elegantly put together nor as well-lit as Douglas's vids, here's some raw footage of Ava getting to grips with iTunes. Worth sticking with it (high level of tolerance for grainy video of other people's kids assumed) for the moment she skips from Bola to 50 Foot Wave.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GY3-kjdbacI

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 19 March 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

Tried to watch it, but it says it's friends-only!

Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 19 March 2006 17:44 (twenty years ago)

D'oh! I thought it worked like Flickr and a direct URL would bypass restrictions; OK - I'll make it public for a few days...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 19 March 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)

This friday I went to the child care centre. The doctor told me that O's head was growing much to fast and there could be water in her head. I completely FREAKED out. She told me that I would have to come back in two weeks time for another check-up. Uh no, I replied I would go to my private pediatrician and ask for an echo. Duh. She told me:"Well, don't let it ruin your weekend." What a nutcase. Not let it ruin my weekend? I went to the doctor who told me not to worry, she doesn't have any signs, and she's growing at a perfect rate. Yay! I will have an echo anyway - he advised me, cause he realizes I'm a mum so I'm worried.

"Don't let it ruin your weekend." Christ...

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Sunday, 19 March 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Good Lord! Was it a very young/inexperienced doctor? I think pediatricians should err on the side of incaution, just so the parent doesn't have heart failure. My kids' doctor was like that. Nothing fazed him. Once I called him in a panic because one of my kids had told me that he'd swallowed a tack. The doctor just said "these things usually pass right through." We x-rayed him anyway, of course. No tack.

Consider your hand electronically held by all of us, Nathalie.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 19 March 2006 18:41 (twenty years ago)

Some doctors don't seem to be able to imagine the impact their casually-mentioned worst-case scenarios will have; my sister-in-law's 4-y-o boy recently had a four-day fever and her doctor seized upon Kawasaki disease as a possible cause, merrily running through cardiac complications and mortality rates. Of course it wasn't, but sis-in-law was already in pieces by this point. This is not nearly as bad as "don't let it ruin your weekend" though! Jeez!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 19 March 2006 19:02 (twenty years ago)

our kid has a great big head. when he was about 12 months old, he was only at about the 15th percentile for length and weight (because he was 3 months premature, so he was really like a 9 month old), but his head was at like the 97th percentile. we got kind of freaked out, but various doctors said that he didn't show any signs of trouble, so he probably just has a big head (they run in my wife's family, i'm told). we were still kind of worried and went so far as to get approval for an MRI, but once we thought about it a little we canceled it. it seemed like a lot to put him through -- he probably would have needed anesthesia to get him to lay still -- plus a huge expense (for the insurance company, but still). so we decided to wait and see if there were any indicators (learning difficulties, coordination problems, etc.). there haven't been, and his body is gradually gaining on his head. so yeah, statistics are just statistics. unless there's some reason to suspect a problem, there's a good chance there isn't one.

also, big heads make kids really cute.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 19 March 2006 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I know! She's at the 100 percentile for everything. Head, weight and length. The doctor (at the center) took out a paper with the curves and showed me how quickly she was growing. "Do you see that for the head circumference it's going much too fast?" Yes, I could see that. So I asked her what the possible reasons were. "Water in the head. And other things." Flippin'eck, I was not going to wait another two weeks. "I see you looking so worried. You really shouldn't be." WTF. The "Don't let it ruin your weekend." line just astounded me. O's pediatrician told me (again) that at the child care center they use doctors who aren't specialized in child medicine (?). He told me that it's just probably something that runs in the family. And it does: my husband, his father, I and also my father and gran all have big heads. He also told me that the doctor completely misinterpreted the curves: "You don't compare apples and oranges." So yeah, my weekend was restored thanks to him. :-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Sunday, 19 March 2006 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Serious question(s): Are there any parents here who need a lot of time alone/really enjoy being alone and/or are prone to depression who have kids and if so how, given your temperment how do you deal?

Mary (Mary), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:26 (twenty years ago)

I had some bouts of depression until I was about 25 (never medicated for it unless you count pot, just kind of cleared up as I got older) and was really afraid that pregnancy/postpartum might tip my brain back into that place but it's really been just fine, thank goodness.

Likewise I'm fairly socially awkward/enjoy being alone but am not as pathological about it as I used to be. Right now my baby doesn't seem to count as a person in that way, I really dig being alone with him. So maybe this will change as he starts to be his own person more. Having inlaws over more often (haha like once a month) is more of a pain than always being within boob's reach of a baby.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 20 March 2006 23:19 (twenty years ago)

i like having some alone time, but my work and waking hours provide for that. i'm up until anywhere from 2-4 every night, which gives me time to myself to watch movies, read, download music, you know all the good things in life.

in somewhat related news, this week marks the beginning of the great sleep crackdown. my wife (who, because of our schedules, is mostly responsible for bedtime) has finally been persuaded that little dude needs to learn to go to sleep on his own, in his crib, instead of falling asleep next to her in bed. so we've had the predictable bouts of furious crying (accompanied twice by vomiting, because he got himself so worked up), but he seems to be grudgingly accepting his fate.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 20 March 2006 23:37 (twenty years ago)

Mary - after each of my three babies I went through a bit of depression when they were between six and twelve months old. With the first one it was pretty bad and I ended up changing my whole life. It got gradually milder, and now with my third I'm starting to feel down a lot more, overwhelmed and basically dissatisfied with all the responsibility. I know it's just hormones and that it will end sometime, and it helps that my husband is very supportive even if he doesn't understand. Other than the baby blues, though, there are periods when I'm not necessarily depressed, but just... UGH! Being a parent is hard and it's easy to get frustrated and annoyed because you are no longer allowed a private life and going out for happy hour requires a week's worth of planning. So yeah, I like alone time, I usually only get it at night after the kids are asleep. I keep reminding myself that they are only kids once, and one day all the soccer games and swimming lessons will be over and I might just miss how much they needed me.

Rebekkah (burntbrat), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 00:55 (twenty years ago)

haha teeny it's funny how the Internets don't make people (well, you for sure) seem at all socially awkward.


we've had the predictable bouts of furious crying (accompanied twice by vomiting, because he got himself so worked up), but he seems to be grudgingly accepting his fate.

CLASSIC, CLASSIC, CLASSIC!

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 01:27 (twenty years ago)

Teeny, that's a classic :) Do you look back at Louis' early photos to remind yourself how much he's changed?

Jaq (Jaq), Saturday, 25 March 2006 01:07 (twenty years ago)

awesome.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 25 March 2006 01:20 (twenty years ago)

practically every day, jaq!

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 25 March 2006 01:50 (twenty years ago)


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