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My wife said that gallstones hurt just as bad as childbirth. But she had a quick and fairly easy labor/delivery, similar to Teeny's.

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 1 February 2007 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

My Mum says her period pains were worse than labour pains. Her boss used to have to send her home from work in a taxi once a month, and I was born in 3 hours, so I can kind of understand.

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

My mum had severe endometriosis, and says that she had barely any pain with contractions. I don't want to get my hopes up that it's genetic and am fearing the worst so then hopefully I can be pleasantly surprised.

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

RE: pain - I think after the first time it is much easier since you know already what to expect and your body has actually done it once, so pushing is easier and faster. That being said, I totally planned to have an epidural with my second and it just happened so fast that I didn't.

I would also say that it helps to have a great support person. My husband was awesome both times, through some awfully dramatic moments (including the ambulance ride with Alex when I was in sudden hard labor). With Julia he was trying so hard to get me an epidural and I was having trouble communicating that there probably wasn't time. I did manage to get him to understand that I wanted him to push hard on the bottom of my spine, which he did so much that I had a bruise there for weeks afterward. (It felt great during labor!)

Archel, I hope Alice adjusts to her plate soon so that you can get some extra rest!

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

your body knows what to do

This is the thing I found most amazing. I had never experienced that complete primal body-taking-over-now-brain-shut-up sensation. The other shocker was the mama mountain lion scale raging fierce protectiveness that come over me every so often, when I thought my baby might be threatened.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

I meant to say, poor old (young) Alice. It must be horrible having people messing about with you and not understanding why. Also, poor Archel and Matt, obv.

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

It's the worst pain ever, and one that you gladly repeat.

Yeah, I remember my mum telling me that yes it's horrible and sore, but if it was *that* bad, no-one in the world would have younger siblings.

Still doesn't make me want to find out for myself, thank you very much.

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

I would absolutely and totally do it again, but I probably won't.

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 1 February 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

I forgot the part about telling Eric "Shut UP. Just shut up. Everyone else can talk, JUST NOT YOU."

That's it. I'm just going to sit in the van with a pack of smokes and a bucket of chicken, and wait until ss calls me on the cellphone to tell I can come back in now.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 1 February 2007 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

There was a radical doula/midwife piece on NPR today - the message was that women have always squatted in fields, so what's the difference? Too much medical intervention, etc. it was on "51%".
My friend's water birth was really loveley - the baby shot out and was caught by the midwife, in the water. The theory is that this allows the baby to have one more minute of liquid - ANYWAY, it was great to see.
Seeing a baby born is amazing! However, it's very diffused by water. So not as bloody as everyone has described - although, I only observed.
i have a placenta story that would make you laugh!

aimurchie (aimurchie), Friday, 2 February 2007 06:49 (nineteen years ago)

The paediatrician who first checked Alice over said to us slightly aggressively: 'see, it's much better to be here in hospital isn't it?' (Presumably he had read in my notes that we'd been considering home birth.) Which I felt - maybe oversensitively - was basically saying 'you have a problem baby and could never have cared for her at home, what were you thinking you ignorant woman?'

Although I was quite happy to give birth in hospital in the end, I had a terrible time during the four days we stayed in, full of miscommunication between different professionals and between them and me. And I'm not convinced that staying in really benefited Alice, as although she was small there was never anything actually wrong with her.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 2 February 2007 08:50 (nineteen years ago)

Eek! I was going to delurk to join in this thread (I'm due 16 July) but the giving birth stories have scared me so I think I need to go away & come back in a few months!

liz (lizg), Friday, 2 February 2007 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

no no come on now!

I have friends who have homebirthed and loved it, although in missouri you must have a doctor present by law, so you have to find someone willing to make a house call. I do think childbirth is overmedicalized but not to the point where I think you should give up on medical professionals! My opinion is also totally colored by a relative who had a homebirth go wrong, it's so hard to be objective about things when there's babies in the mix. A hospital near me has a nice setup, they will assign you a doula to be with you through the whole process, and you can do a water birth in hospital if you want. I didn't know about it before I picked my dr/hospital or else I might have tried that.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 2 February 2007 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

Congratulations liz! Sorry we scared you, but fwiw I have never met anyone who *wasn't* scared of labour, or anyone who said it wasn't worth it :)

There was a birthing pool at my hospital (well, a giant bath tub really) but because I was induced I couldn't use it sadly.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 2 February 2007 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

or just have a c-section, makes it all so easy!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

C-sections definitely not easy! I've had two.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

Lifting, holding, feeding a baby while you're recovering from a 6-inch incision across your abdomen = pain.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

But I will reiterate that any pain that comes with childbirth is soon just a dim memory and gets way overshadowed by all the warm fuzzy loving feelings of having a new little person you made in your arms.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

There was a fairly young girl in my antenatal classes who blithely commented, on the day we talked about labour pain, "I'm gonna have a Caesarean, it's much easier." Cue the midwife saying, "Er, that's major abdominal surgery you're talking about - definitely NOT the easy option."

Anyway... they have two birthing pools at my unit so hopefully I will be able to use one of them. Husband has already packed his Speedos so he can join in :)

Meg Busset (Mog), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

i am not unfamiliar with the pain of c-sections maria, they even happen in wisconsin. but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

by the way say hello to SUPER TONIO
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070201/070202_bibbaby_hmed_3a.hmedium.jpg

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

T/S: giving birth to 13 kids in 25 years vs. giving birth to one Super Tonio?

There was a 13-pounder born the same day as Sarah. Proud dad was telling passersby "yeah, my wife had him the normal way, no section, pretty awesome, huh?"

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

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onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

I watched a c-section on tv once which really furthered my thinking that it was the absolute method of last resort. They way they were jabbing hands in willy nilly and flopping the poor woman's utereus out on her belly. ouch. the human body is not meant to manhandled like that!

I've also always wondered if being born via C-Section had some sort of emotional/mental/personality impact on people. Surely there's something to be said for not having that primoridal experience of being squeezed out the birth canal?

Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

YES THAT IS WHY MY SON IS RUINED

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't neccesarily mean ruined. ;) just different somehow. My ex-husband is a C-Section baby and he's a completely lovely, stable person.

Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Super Tonio was a conjoined twin at first!
When I was born, according to my mother, the Dr. brought me into the recovery room and said "Would you like to see your fat daughter?"
I was almost nine pounds, due to my reluctance to leave the womb (smart!).
I called the 51% piece (on NPR) radical because it was great to hear those voices, but midwives going off on how woman USED to give birth is sort of...not a great problem solving technique. Doulas, midwives and OB-Gyns can all work together.
The great thing is the recent trend toward RN-Midwife type programs. And Nurse Practitioner - Nurse Midwife.
Midwifery doesn't have to be opposite of medical care.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

I have a tendency to get a bit irritated with "women USED to give birth in fields," kind of talk, because women also used to die a lot more often in childbirth. Obviously that isn't totally connected, but I'm one of those people who had a premature birth with my first kid and hemorraged with my second - and 100 years ago Alex might not have made it and then with Baby #2 I almost certainly would not have (hard to get a D & C in a field).

It's a nice ideal to have a natural birth with no painkillers or other interventions, but personally I'll take the epidural (or at least the option), the painkiller for stitches, and the other comforts of modern existence (like D & Cs, done with anesthesia).

I guess I just find those radical midvives frustrating because they seem determined to ignore the experiences of a large number of women who not only want but desperately need medical intervention (like me).

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

My sister would have died if not for intervention—but it was just a an epidural that enabled her to fully dilate. That could have been administered at home, right? If I had it all to do over, I'd give birth at home.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think they offer home epidurals anywhere yet; at least in MN they require an anesthesiologist to place them. But I would probably have been tempted to stay home by that notion. On the other hand, I don't think I'd want the mess in my house... I was happy to wear the hospital's gown and get the mess on their sheets.

I knew J. was going to come fast because Alex was quick for a first baby; I was actually a bit worried about giving birth in my car! I didn't think the car was going to recover from that kind of experience, so was glad that didn't happen.

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

My wife's pain relief advice: Don't listen to any TENS machine crap, you may as well lick a battery for all the good it will do you.

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

My missus wouldn't have been without her TENS machine (in fact, having rented one in 2005, all the neighbourhood mums who were pregnant again in 2006 clubbed together and bought one which they passed around). I think she found it useful in the early stages, though she was gulping down the gas'n'air towards the end and I expect that TENS button started to play more of a placebo role.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

So the point is that...people are going to have babies, and a new medical model would be a RN-Midwife with an OB-GYN on call? At home, for the baby and momma.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

I think that could be one option, but ideally you'd have the all options available, everywhere.

In my small city, you could have a home birth, but you'd be hard pressed to find an RN to attend it. However, there are Certified Nurse Midwives who deliver in the hospital in a town that is close. You might be able to find a lay midwife, but I think my acquaintances who did have home births did it themselves (I knew them through La Leche League).

I've had problems with births, so if I were going to do it again, I'd stick with an OB/GYN. Others might feel most comfortable with a general practioner who delivers babies.

Northfield offers some of the options, but not all; if I wanted to give birth with a CN-M, I'd have to drive at least 20 miles to another town.

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

Tonio looks like he has a Quato in that picture.

As for a home birth - I think it can be good, but if things start to go sour, it can be pretty horrible. Some friends of ours had a stillbirth because the midwife kept insisting that everything was fine.

schwantz (schwantz), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

baby pictures please!

aimurchie (aimurchie), Friday, 2 February 2007 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

wasn't there a new parenting thread started?

Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 2 February 2007 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

I started one, but it was pointed out to me that I can just limit the number of messages I see, rather than starting a new thread, so it withered away.

schwantz (schwantz), Friday, 2 February 2007 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

there should be a new one, those DC people start a new freaking thread every other day

we just went through four days of misery; both baby and mom had the flu. quite scary though he never got a high fever, but he was verging on dehydration most of the time, and the liquidy nasty poos he sprayed all over himself, the crib, and everything else on a nearly hourly basis had to be seen and smelled to be believed. holy god.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 2 February 2007 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

You asked for them!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/155/371545906_527531d1bd.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/165/371544950_b2a0ebe93e.jpg

schwantz (schwantz), Friday, 2 February 2007 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

I am now in Japan. The eleven hour plane trip ended in a disaster. Four times projectile vomiting is NO FUN. Urgh. She couldn't handle the landing (after I gave her too much food). :-( She's coping very well otherwise.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Saturday, 3 February 2007 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

oh no! sounds like the worst is over?

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 3 February 2007 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

Oh those delicious twins! I'm a sucker for that gummy smile. When my boys first smiled it used to bring tears to my eyes. The unalloyed joy of it—no inner censor. So unguarded. Later on we always carry a witness inside us, in some tiny way. Always someone watching. But those baby smiles—the absolute openness is almost tragic. It makes me think of our bond with our animals—how trusting they are that you'll come back, give them dinner. They don't know how close we are to crossing the line from cornucopia-bearer to disappointer. We'll be late coming home, or offer the wrong food, or be short-tempered. Whatever, they (when they aren't being cussedly unconsolable) believe in us as if we were gods.

A little drunk. Just had dinner with my boys and one most excellent girlfriend. Sent them home with all the leftovers( stuffed shells).

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 3 February 2007 01:59 (nineteen years ago)

That's nice to hear.

Oh, Nath, sorry to hear about your trip. Glad you got there safe.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Saturday, 3 February 2007 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'd recommend getting a massage while the baby naps or your parents babysit to recover from the stress of travelling. Speaking of massages, I used to go to a massage therapist in Philly called the gentle giant who was 14 pounds at birth, like Super Tonio. He developed diabetes. Being so big can have some big drawbacks.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Saturday, 3 February 2007 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

I know! She was a bit *off* as she couldn't move much the first couple of hours to Paris (where we took the plane).I let her crawl on the dirty floor. I mean, who gives a shit about dirty trousers and hands? The poor kid had to sit for a couple of hrs in a car! On the plane she was fine, a bit of crying - understandably - but mostly sleeping and giggling/playing with neighbours. Then during the landing she was crying and suddenly *woops* all the food came out. So I thought. But oh no, second time. Third time which was the worst as it really went Linda Blair style on the chair next to me (which thank god was empty). Then we went towards the exit. We asked for a big ole plastic bag to put the dirty blanket and teddy in. The stewardess also went to warn someone (who would take us to the quarantine section). A couple passed by and said:"Ah kawai akachan!" (cute baby) But got rewarded with Ophelia's final sick-fest. I don't think much landed on them (thank god!). I apologized profusely to the stewardess. In the quarantine section her temp was checked and also asked where we came from, how long we would stay and where (in Japan - duh!). All in all quite an event! Poor thing. That said, she's sleeping soundly next to me now. She adapted quite well! But then it's an eight hr difference so it all sort of switched forward. (Am I making sense now?) Travelling is a bit hard as you have to be flexible but a baby isn't that much. (Eek! She's a TODDLER!) :-)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/145/378158253_e11e0db032.jpg?v=0

Check us out yo! In Nakameguro, my parents' flat.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Saturday, 3 February 2007 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

She looks very glad to be off that airplane!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 3 February 2007 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

did you have to change any poopy diapers on the plane?

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 3 February 2007 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

I think I did but I can't really remember. Ah yes, I did! I had changed her and right after that she pooped. Very funny. She suffers from the same thing as my mum: stomach/bowel being very upset after taking a plane.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Sunday, 4 February 2007 06:42 (nineteen years ago)

I am surprised that Nakegemuro looks a lot like Swindon.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 5 February 2007 09:57 (nineteen years ago)

We had a scary weekend. When I arrived home on Friday night, there were fire trucks and ambulances out front. I ran inside to find about ten paramedics standing over my wife and Ben. Ben, it turns out, had stopped breathing (although he was breathing by the time I showed up), and my wife called 911. They thought he might have had a seizure, or some kind of apnea, so we went to the ER. After hours of tests, including a Lumbar Puncture (which took three tries, since Ben is so feisty! They even tried to give him Ketamine but he shat it out.), we got to go to sleep at the hospital. All the tests came back negative, and the consensus among the neurologists and pediatricians was that he had some kind of reflux-related apnea. So, he's back at home, taking Zantac. He didn't have any other similar events during the weekend at the hospital, but we're being extra-careful - making sure to burp him, keeping him upright after feedings, and we've sloped their bassinet a bit to keep their heads up a bit higher.

schwantz (schwantz), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:31 (nineteen years ago)


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