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Oh lordy, Archel—you have to get her to wear that thing for 2+ months? I wish you could explain things to her!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

At this point she just thinks it's normal I suppose, one more in the endless series of exciting new experiences that her life consists of. She doesn't seem distressed by it at all anyway (although I don't think she'll be as happy with the plate).

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/175/367164199_9b2350a571.jpg?v=0

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, bless, she does look really like Matt, doesn't she?

In six weeks time I'm going to see my niece for the first time. She's nearly three!

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

awww...sweetpea! is that sheepskin, archel?

in the best news of my pregnancy so far (except for the fact that it has been completely drama free - thank you gods of unborn bebes!) my OB thinks i shouldn't breastfeed. weeee!

i still might, but official permission/recommendation not to sure takes the pressure off.

sunny successor agrees: gay dad always trumps slutty mom (katharine), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

Why shouldn't you, if you don't mind me asking?

(Our Sarah was not breastfed, btw, so I'm not all 'YOU SHOULD DO THIS' by any means.)

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

He doesn't think I'll make it through the first two weeks due to my fear of it because, for it to be successful, you need to be really motivated which I REALLY am not. Quite the opposite. With formulas being so good these days, he doesn't think its worth the drama for me or the kid.

sunny successor agrees: gay dad always trumps slutty mom (katharine), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

Trust me, I was MOANING so much! But I made it through, and strangely my husband and friends as well, even though they must have suffered a lot. It hurts, oh boy does it hurt if you haven't prepared, but it's so rewarding and ultimately it's so EASY. No need to clean/prepare bottles. Like Trinny and Susan (?) say: get your tits out! But I can understand your fear. It's easy to say now, for me, but it's such an amazing experience (after you suffered those first couple of weeks). :-) That said, if you're not up for it, well, don't do it! :-) Nothing wrong with bottle feeding at all. Y'know, scratch what I said. Do what YOU feel is right. :-) Don't listen to - as my friend calls'em -the breastfeeding mafia. ;-)

Archel, good luck with everything!!!

I'm leaving for Japan on the 1st of February. Yep, plane. Urgh. I'm so not looking forward to that. But I hope Ophelia won't mind. :-)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/135/367383512_0a4682ebf7.jpg?v=0

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

now ive been told i don't have to do it by someone official, i dont feel bullied, so ill most likely try it. MAYBE.

how long is the plane trip?

sunny successor agrees: gay dad always trumps slutty mom (katharine), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

Ready to take on the world:
http://www.douglasandlisa.com/sterling/s147.jpg

Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

Y'know, that's what made it easier for me. When I stopped and realized the choice was up to *me*, it suddenly became a lot easier. Those nurses at the hospital really bullied me. I mean, it didn't seem to exist, formula feeding. If you'd like to give it a shot, take the advice of my friend (which I sadly didn't follow) and prepare your nippled! She only had FIVE days of slight discomfort! Argh, HELL, I'm doing it as well: pushing you. :-( Sorry.

Plane? About 11 hrs 40 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No sleep till Tokyo (for mummy I phear).

Like all other ILXOr kids: what a beauty!!!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

I want to shrink myself to Alice-size and take a nap with her in that sheepskin!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

Archel - The two cleft palette kids I know have the sweetest scrumptious lips! (they're grown ups!) No botox for your little Alice!

aimurchie (aimurchie), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

yeah that sheepskin is the cosiest thing ever, Alice loves it! in fact she loves it so much that she has started to use it as a pacifier so it will soon stop looking so fluffy and become a damp, matted, dirty mass :(
(I know this because my sister used to suck on hers, a habit that lasted until her early teens. Eek.)

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 08:24 (nineteen years ago)

That picture is so great Douglas!

Good luck with whatever feeding decision you come to sunny - I think that whatever makes you most comfortable in yourself will ultimately be the best thing for baby as well. I was stressing out sooo much about not producing enough milk with the breast pump to feed Alice, but now I just pump what I can, add that to formula, and try not to worry. And hopefully A. benefits from a calmer, less frazzled mum.

Oh and we have just rediscovered the joys of swaddling (encouraged by david upthread). It quiets Alice immediately and although it's not making her sleep longer, it does seem to make her settle more quickly after night feeds.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

Love you all so much
Sorry I'm not posting here
very much these days

I would tell you more
about my two children but
they are not babies

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, they're your kids, of course you should post about'em!

Ok, here's the deal. Ophelia's been having these mini-tantrums. She points at things, wants them NOW and then whe we refuse to give her certain things (like a key, cause, well, she likes sticking metal in her mouth), she cries. Also sometimes I try to make her come to me but usually she just reaches out her hand as if to say:"Come to ME!" To what degree do you refuse to do (for example come yourself, instead of letting her come to me)? I'm fine with it, but we're sometimes worried. When do you start "disciplining" your child? To me she's still very much a baby and I want to make her feel she's still in control and happy.

Yesterday evening, on our daily walk, we heard a kid having this MAJOR XXXXXL GIGANTIC crisis. He was yelling and his mum was more or less just trying to ignore it and walking as fast as possible. Sheesh, I really hope I never experience this with my kid(s).

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

babies develop at different rates. But if they exhibit inappropriate behavior, you must recognize it and react appropriately. You must assert a sense of authority, order, and self-discipline. As far as her not coming when you call, that's pretty normal for her age. Once they begin walking, they start realizing their locus of control and many kids start testing their boundaries early. Some say they don't recognize consequence until around the age of two, as far as negative feedback ("discipline" for some parents.)

My oldest son never went through the "terrible twos" but my second son started testing us like crazy at 18 months and it continued until he was three. And now my 14 month old started throwing dramatic tantrums, putting her face on the ground and wailing for effect. She seemed to be merely trying to get our attention and of course, I ignored it completely. It was, like most things with kids (and people) just a phase.

If you follow people like John Rosemond, he thinks that you need to nip unacceptable behavior as soon as it begins, no matter the age. Unfortunately, things like "time outs" or other punishment things don't really start working well until most kids turn two.

There needs to be a separate thread for this.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

obv I'm very pro-breastfeeding, I've had a wonderful experience with it. BUT I am also TOTALLY CHEAP. Have you priced out formula and bottles? You'll be making 32 ounces of formula a day, which works out to about $3.50 a day if you get the cheap stuff. And if god forbid your kid needs soy or hyopallergenic formula, you're looking at lots more. And that's before you buy bottles and nipples and cleaning supplies and insulated bags and all that. If you can breastfeed for six months you're saving at least $500-600 just on formula.

Even if you only breastfeed for the first few weeks, or until you go back to work, you're saving that money, your kid is less likely to have any problems with regular cow's milk formula, and you're doing yourself a whole host of favors...breastfeeding helps your hormones get back together, helps your uterus shrink back to size, helps you lose weight, etc. If you don't like breastfeeding, you can go to formula at any point; but if you don't like formula, it's really hard to relactate if you used formula from day one.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

I was (and still am) very much pro-breastfeeding, Teeny, but we both had breasts that were willing to spurt out milk. :-) Secondly, even though it's healthier and cheaper, sometimes people prefer bottles because it's more convenient (when going back to work) or whatever. At the end of the day the parent knows best. :-)

Have you stopped breastfeeding, Teeny? I noticed you complained you were underweight? Apparently it's not recommended to breastfeed past twelve months (according to some theories) because it's not very good for the mommy. Not saying you should!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

I'm 100% on the airline's side on that story you linked, Don.

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

I have never heard that it's unhealthy to breastfeed past a year! I've just always had difficulty with keeping weight on, but it usually doesn't cause any ill effects, and hasn't interfered with breastfeeding. I did have the stomach flu recently, and lost weight and had my supply dip for a day or so, but that probably would have happened anyway. And yeah I'm still breastfeeding, can't see any reason to stop at the moment!

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

I breastfed for four continuous years, weaning the older one when he was two, right before delivering the younger, because I didn't want to be nursing two kids. I weaned him with raisins. He loved them so much, whenever he wanted to nurse he was just as happy to get raisins, and he soon forgot all about nursing, even when he saw his little brother doing it. Supposedly the longer you nurse the lower your breast cancer risk, too. Having babies very young is good in that regard, too, but decidedly frowned upon these days. I was glad I had mine as young as I did. Now I'm 50, still pretty fit, and my kids are grown. Would be the time of my life if not for the fact that my mother is now dependent on me...

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

but now I just pump what I can, add that to formula, and try not to worry.

I did that, too, and my kid turned out just fine.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

It seems to be unhealthy for people who don't have a lot of iron. It can be dangerous because you are giving away (so to speak) lots of your much needed vitamins. I didn't/don't critize you, just wanted to state that some theories advise you to stop after one year because it's not needed at all (and some say that it's actually bad). I don't know, there's so many theories that I just think: go with what you think is best. I stopped advising/pressuring people who don't want to breastfeed because if they have made that decision, that's what they decide and I'm sure that they already have so many people who frown upon it, that it must wear them down when yet another peron comes to say:"You should breastfeed!" I mean, it's as if formula feeding is neglecting your child! It isn't.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 25 January 2007 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

Formula rocks.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 25 January 2007 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

oh no I certainly wouldn't take it as criticism, it was just news to me! I know you're well-informed on iron issues, though. Do you have a link?

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 25 January 2007 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

Here is a short video of Edith painting. There is no sound, and the picture quality is not very good, but it gives you an idea, I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hpLP8_3tRA

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 26 January 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

PS: Formula fed and a dab hand with a paintbrush.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 26 January 2007 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

The artist at work! Lovely to see. :)

luna (luna.c), Friday, 26 January 2007 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

omg. Douglas, I'm going to eat your kid.

Je4nn3 Fuhfuh (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 26 January 2007 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

Edith is so precise with that index finger!!! Too adorable.

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 26 January 2007 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yay, we finally get to come and play with you all!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/181/370017770_dca4c404dc.jpg

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 26 January 2007 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

!!!! Congratulations!!!!

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 26 January 2007 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

awww! congrats! when are you due?

sunny successor agrees: gay dad always trumps slutty mom (katharine), Friday, 26 January 2007 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

That's the first ultrasound I've ever seen that actually looks like a baby! A cute one! Yay!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 26 January 2007 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

We were absolutely amazd how good the images were. It's due the 1st August, so we're 13 weeks :0)

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 26 January 2007 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

Wow! Congratulations!!

Tom (Groke), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

Congrats to VickyP and PorkyPie! (If the baby's six days late there'll be birthday insanity in the 'hood).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

Really enjoying reading this thread for tips. I used to loiter on ILX a lot, then we (the boy Lynskey and I) moved house and a few computer-less weeks got me out of the habit. Now I'm back, and Lynskey lurks, and the 3rd member of the family, The Blip, is due on 19th July.

Congrats Vicky, I'm 2 weeks ahead of you.
Oddly your baby is due on my birthday, and I've been told that if I'm I'm late and have to be induced then I'll spend my 30th birthday giving birth. I won't be inviting people to the party, but I will be making the most of the drugs available :)

ihttp://www.flickr.com/photos/bilblio/357398994/

celeste (Celeste), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

ah that's where lynskey's been! MAKING BABIES!! congrats to you and to you and you!

now, who's next? I bet it is mark c.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

That Edith video is fantastic - such genuine care in her decisions; there's no way Ava would do anything so deliberately and calmly.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 27 January 2007 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

Congratulations parents to be!

luna (luna.c), Saturday, 27 January 2007 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

wow! another one! congrats!

august and july. my fetus is so old.

sunny successor agrees: gay dad always trumps slutty mom (katharine), Saturday, 27 January 2007 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

Teeny: Alas, I don't, I read it in a Belgian interview with various experts explaining different theories. (Which also included people saying that some advise to breastfeed until age of four!)

Edith is so darn cute!!!!!

Ophelia's teething again. I'm a bit worried (hah!) as her gum is VERY swollen. Poor thing. :-(

Vicky, congratulations!

I'm counting the days: Thursday I'm off to Japan. Yikes, almost 12 hrs on a plane with Ophelia.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Saturday, 27 January 2007 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

now, who's next? I bet it is mark c.

!!!! Not for a while I don't think, Teeny :)

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Saturday, 27 January 2007 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, congratulations Vicky and Chris xx

(Oh noes, all my friends be having babies!)

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 27 January 2007 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

Congrats, Vicky and Chris!

I'm having a similar issue as Nathalie mentions above about having to start disciplining. Cyrus is getting into terrible 2 behavior now at 20 months and Rufus (4), who never did the terrible 2 thing, is regressing and copying Cyrus's tantrums. I know its a limits-testing, power-checking thing and I need to be disciplining Cyrus, but I haven't let go of Cyrus as a baby yet, and still just want to appease him and make him stop crying. I need to switch gears and be more of a Firm Parent with him. When Cyrus has tantrums, he bangs his head against the wall or me or the table. It's very disconcerting.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Saturday, 27 January 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

Congratulations Vicky and Chris, so happy for you:)
And Celeste too!

Soon, this thread shall rule the world...

I am entranced by that video of Edith - so delicate and focused.

Archel (Archel), Saturday, 27 January 2007 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Congrats to all the 'rents-to-be! One of my best friends had a little boy yesterday. I'm so excited about meeting my baby in the next two-four weeks!

Meg Busset (Mog), Saturday, 27 January 2007 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

Maria, my sister's only child used to have horrible whiney tantrums whenever he didn't get what he wanted. She always ended up folding, he got his way, and everyone in the vicinity gritted their teeth at the major spoilage. But you know what? He's 28 now, and one of the most fabulous people on the planet!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 27 January 2007 16:40 (nineteen years ago)


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