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― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 14 January 2019 18:36 (five years ago) link
thank you thread and goodbye
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 14 January 2019 18:44 (five years ago) link
I love this show. I liked the book too.
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 02:14 (five years ago) link
I am surprised we have an I love home.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 19 January 2019 11:29 (five years ago) link
i stopped watching the first episode because i hated the reality dad so much
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 19 January 2019 23:04 (five years ago) link
My otherwise-lovely grandma burned lots of my favourite stuff on a bonfire when I was about 6. My father-in-law, who threw out my wife's notebooks full of notes about films and my children's soft toys because he thought them "useless," and who seems to own about 5-10 books in total, always says we have "too much stuff!"
Just hearing about this book / TV series over the last couple of weeks is basically giving me palpitations, and I'm going to find any way I can to mute it from everywhere I go.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 19 January 2019 23:14 (five years ago) link
Despite my contempt for these kinds of "oh finally this is the key to life" things which are really about the futility of consumer culture, I was forced into this scenario by separating from my wife, living in a minuscule apartment, taking only things for which my need outweighed my reluctance to further upset my wife, and duplicate purchasing those things which were essential to us both. Apart from stuff which was just plainly mine (largely ceremonial guitar collection) I have ended up living with about 1/4 as many things and pretty fine with that. The mental clarity, however, I ascribe to leaving an unhappy environment and near constant anxiety and anger. I wonder how many of the people doing this are using it as a displacement activity to avoid addressing what's really wrong.Jeeze I really nailed the "bitter middle-aged man" vibe there it seems. ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 19 January 2019 23:16 (five years ago) link
I wonder how many of the people doing this are using it as a displacement activity to avoid addressing what's really wrong.
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― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 January 2019 00:19 (five years ago) link
close to the bone for me!
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 20 January 2019 00:23 (five years ago) link
that describes like 80% of everything that everyone does
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 20 January 2019 02:18 (five years ago) link
otm
― the late great, Sunday, 20 January 2019 02:37 (five years ago) link
tbf the show does address that thought - that by tidying up, you can actually move onto confronting your problems rather than avoiding it through clutter
― Nhex, Sunday, 20 January 2019 02:45 (five years ago) link
and i can believe it somewhat - letting your home become a sprawling, unknownable mess is a pretty good metaphor
― Nhex, Sunday, 20 January 2019 02:46 (five years ago) link
https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/3ydn2xJwzTh5NT2bGy5afw--~B/Zmk9c3RyaW07aD0zODY7cHlvZmY9MDtxPTgwO3c9NDQwO3NtPTE7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/https://media.zenfs.com/en-US/best_life_342/701376bbbee91a175b218b557f6324d3
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:05 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPVk-m1Pr4s
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:29 (five years ago) link
kondo is great. accumulating too many possessions is bad.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:36 (five years ago) link
― nathom, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:06 (five years ago) link
🖼
― nathom, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:07 (five years ago) link
I watched one ep -- to me it kind of sounds like every other "life changing" thing that only changes your life for about two weeks before you start to slide. Also, fuck folding t-shirts into little nugget shapes.
Getting rid of excess stuff is good, but you need to address the in-door and not just the out-door, i.e. how to avoid buying stuff you don't need in the first place. Otherwise you're just performing routine maintenance on your excessively consumeristic life. I find that we often go through that process of "Oh, x thing is ugly and doesn't serve a purpose" but then we wind up buying y thing that we convince ourselves will make our lives better than x thing did, and it doesn't. Same happens with clothing -- getting rid of stuff I wound up not wearing doesn't prevent me from falling for the same add'l 40% off sale items "well it's not exactly the color I want" trap over and over again.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:11 (five years ago) link
isn't the idea that between the shock-awareness of doing it all at once (and seeing what your life can be like with less clutter), and the various little moves of being aware of each little thing and whether it sparks joy etc., that you're training yourself in a more mindful way of relating to possessions?not that that precludes any backsliding!
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 00:34 (five years ago) link
Otherwise you're just performing routine maintenance on your excessively consumeristic life.
what's wrong with routine maintenance?
― sarahell, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 00:56 (five years ago) link
I think the point was that it would be more lasting and sensible to reject an "excessively consumeristic life" than to merely maintain it in a way that makes it more tolerable.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 01:07 (five years ago) link
I think that to do a solid job I would need a dedicated amount of space and a sustained amount of time - neither of which is likely to become available in the near future.
I can nibble around the edges for minor quality-of-life improvements. A few days ago I cleaned out a coat closet. Donated outgrown coats, pitched solo mittens, unsentimentally jettisoned maybe 15 of the 25 scarves we've accumulated (almost all gifts, btw). I have never bought a scarf; I have worn a scarf maybe three times in my life. But I have gotten a scarf for Christmas at least 10 times in 47 years.
I can pretty readily do the same to the "stupid board games with one essential part missing" shelf. (Mostly gifts.) And the art supply bins in which fully half the markers have dried out, or half-abandoned craft projects. (Mostly, you guessed it, gifts.)
Sometimes seems like it's less our own purchasing habits, and more the well-meaning grandparents/aunts/uncles at birthdays and Christmas. We try to direct them away from giving Stuff. But for some folks the idea of a huge pile of gifts under the tree is a marker of love, and I can't always head it off.
Then there are the boxes I'd really like to go through to see what's in them. I don't have space or time to lay things out on a table even long enough to sort into piles (bills to pay, personal memorabilia,concert and movie ticket stubs, work samples, kid artwork, trash, stuff that is OBE, stuff that will never matter again, stuff I will be heartbroken to lose, etc.).
We need the table because that's where we eat. I get halfway through one pile and it's dinnertime again. Where does the stuff go? Back into the box labeled something like "miscellaneous personal save, 1994-2019"
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 01:50 (five years ago) link
at least change the label to "half-sorted miscellaneous personal, 1994-2019"
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 01:54 (five years ago) link
I would actually enjoy 'tidying up" peoples spaces. But I would be the opposite of Marie Kondo and probably traumatize people about all the decisions they made in their life.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 01:59 (five years ago) link
Yerac, lol. "You paid ACTUAL money to see Limp Bizkit? In two thousand FOUR?"
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 02:09 (five years ago) link
I would make them tell me about the show first and their favorite lyric.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 02:16 (five years ago) link
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― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, January 22, 2019 8:07 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Right, it's this. So many times I feel like we have gotten rid of something we "don't use" only to replace it with something else we convince ourselves will serve the same purpose better, and then we don't use that either or it's equally lacking in longevity. Purging consumer goods can easily become an integral part of consumeristic habits instead of an antidote to them--an essential part of dealing with the inflow of stuff rather than a means to a more minimalist life.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 15:12 (five years ago) link
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― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 15:25 (five years ago) link
I appreciate that someone wrote this article. I couldn't articulate a lot of this before . I think someone mentioned on the netflix thread about her shinto mindset.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/marie-kondo-white-western-audineces_us_5c47859be4b025aa26bde77c?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000046&utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&ir=Entertainment&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=women_fb&fbclid=IwAR3N6HJMCDeFg9bYOTmG1howmeMOI5WV3KQnPpirnwCGJddHvlM07lpI9nQ
― Yerac, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 15:26 (five years ago) link
interesting, but it also seems absurd that that joking tweet about books required an apology
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 15:44 (five years ago) link
Oh, I didn't even see that. My tweet blocking powers are getting stronger and stronger.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 15:48 (five years ago) link
also totally makes sense to me because the little once more religious Jewish voice in the back of my head said "that's idol worship" when I was watching it, lol
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 16:00 (five years ago) link
thx for that article Yerac
― Nhex, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 16:51 (five years ago) link
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:07 PM (yesterday)
this is kinda like my "waiting for the revolution" type anarchist friends that don't see the point of voting or getting involved in any form of activism that doesn't result in overthrowing capitalism, the patriarchy, etc.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
lol what? It's nothing like that.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:29 (five years ago) link
it kind of is because you are going to accumulate things and clutter and stuff you don't need because that is life in America, sorry.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:30 (five years ago) link
or stuff you want for a while and then don't want -- consumerism is like gravity at this point -- sorry, this is just how I feel and also true
― sarahell, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:32 (five years ago) link
Buying behavior can just as much be altered as hording behavior. Of course no TV show is going to focus on not buying stuff though /trench
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:34 (five years ago) link
imo it's a trickle-down effect, by making you reconsider what you want to keep it makes you reconsider what you've been buying, and what you'll buy in the future
― omar little, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:37 (five years ago) link
whether you buy it yourself, or receive it as gifts from well-meaning family members, like YMP's, you are gonna end up with a bunch of stuff you end up not wanting ... maybe not as much, but ...yeah, I challenge you to create an anti-clutter force field in yr home to prevent it from getting in.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:37 (five years ago) link
Oh well for sure it can't be 100% stopped, I understand that well having a 3yo and a 7yo. We have a policy of throwing away all goodie bag junk after they go to sleep for example.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:40 (five years ago) link
there’s kind of a Say’s law to clutter imo; having a tiny apartment helps. people with houses seem to love filling them up with random crap. my sister has an entire room in her house that’s just ‘storage’ (enormous piles of junk)
― flopson, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:43 (five years ago) link
I have an anti-clutter forcefield. It was work though.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
Plus it helps that my spouse was a techno hippie and he cleans his shit up like an adult.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:46 (five years ago) link
having a tiny apartment helps. people with houses seem to love filling them up with random crap. my sister has an entire room in her house that’s just ‘storage’ (enormous piles of junk)
yeah!!! i remember when real estate ppl started selling the concept of the "bonus room" -- where the bonus room really was just a room to put piles of junk so the rest of the house could look fashionably tidy. otoh, I know plenty of people who live in small apartments that rent storage units.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link
Yeah was just talking about that with H -- we are a musician and artist and we always talk about wanting a house to have space for doing music and art. We just visited another musician/artist couple who had moved to a house with extra rooms, but they had managed to fill the extra rooms with crap and still not have space for music and art.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:53 (five years ago) link
i just recently made more room in my apartment for music stuff -- such that, in theory, i could set up my drums in my living room -- which maybe i will do, however the downstairs neighbors would have an issue with me practicing them
― sarahell, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:58 (five years ago) link
Buy them earplugs
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:59 (five years ago) link
But them in little gift baskets with a note on scented paper saying you’re going to be drumming now