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did they ever do anything interesting

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 24 May 2013 22:54 (six years ago) link

salako idk

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 24 May 2013 22:55 (six years ago) link

watford are the cis/transpontine crystal palace but i have troubling personal associations with watford

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 24 May 2013 23:03 (six years ago) link

watford had john barnes, luther blisset, marlon king, jay demerit, dan shittu, graham taylor

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 24 May 2013 23:03 (six years ago) link

Lombardo

I cant tell em from qpr usually

my name is louis and i'm an acoleuthic (darraghmac), Saturday, 25 May 2013 01:35 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnU8ZNFiizc

Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 25 May 2013 01:37 (six years ago) link

I thought they were the team that once had a brown kit... but it was Coventry City.

Laurie Cunningham, he was Crystal Palace wasn't he.... uh Wiki says no! Malcolm Allison was manager once. But basically, this:

I cant tell em from qpr usually

Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 May 2013 09:50 (six years ago) link

ILF perhaps needs a Palace fan whom I can ritually abuse all throughout their forthcoming 15-point Premiership season

OH NO, SECONDS LEFT, SECONDS LEFT, AND THERE IT IS. REGRET. (imago), Saturday, 25 May 2013 10:00 (six years ago) link

i quite like palace. in relative terms they've always seemed to me to be a distinctive entity in fitba, usually a fun enough team to watch and a stimulating tribe to be a part of. they have a definite sense of character, quite colourful, dynamic, london-y. lots of good little players over the years, strikers and wingers particularly.

i think they have a kind of interesting... idk, baseline seedyness to them that could possibly just be an indelible shadow of the old "team of the 80s" spiel but maybe stands for something deeper. like a nouveau riche franchise plaything club shallowness only without any actual evidence of it (and indeed hugely more to the contrary). they play decent football (never once cloggers to my recollection) but no image of "playing the palace way"; they have a good youth system but no image of "school of science", and so on - perhaps you could say the same of many clubs but with palace it comes from something other than mere lumpen stagnant anonymity. termites not white elephants. quite possibly they are the least twee club in britain, but never comfortably so - club and supporters alike have an unusually high-strung temperament, quick to lash out at perceived slights, owing not simply to pugilist tribalism but to a particularly palace sense of anxiety.

r|t|c, Saturday, 25 May 2013 11:09 (six years ago) link

Right, if we're gonna psychologise SE LDN fitba we may as well draw the unholy triangle. All 3 clubs closer to each other than would dare admit, though Millwall are the ones who sacrifice size for notoriety. Palace are the most physically remote so lend themselves naturally to an outsider mindset (as opposed to spanner-in-works Millwall attitude). This means it's difficult for Palace fans to feel like they definitively *belong* anywhere (as opposed to Charlton fans who feel largely that their team belongs in a perpetual second-tier promotion fight in between inevitable top-tier relegations). Recent hears have seen Charlton fluctuate more than either, which may seem out of character but in fact bespeaks a higher tolerance for shit than Palace (Brighton play-off semi aside) - a useful quality to have, as it occasions greater pride in fatter times. Millwall will tolerate anything so long as people notice them, it's cute. In short, three mid-sized league clubs, Millwall arguably too small, Charlton too twee, Palace too arrogant.

OH NO, SECONDS LEFT, SECONDS LEFT, AND THERE IT IS. REGRET. (imago), Saturday, 25 May 2013 11:42 (six years ago) link

And insecure.

OH NO, SECONDS LEFT, SECONDS LEFT, AND THERE IT IS. REGRET. (imago), Saturday, 25 May 2013 11:45 (six years ago) link

Well, not so much arrogant as false-arrogant i.e. insecure.

OH NO, SECONDS LEFT, SECONDS LEFT, AND THERE IT IS. REGRET. (imago), Saturday, 25 May 2013 11:47 (six years ago) link

yeah, i think they've been in championship (meaning the league below the top) for 35 of the last 40 years or something. begets a kind of shrill insanity i suppose.

palace are the only brit team afaik to have self-styled ultras of course, and it's not nearly as tongue in cheek as you'd imagine.

r|t|c, Saturday, 25 May 2013 12:01 (six years ago) link

oh and the cheerleaders too

r|t|c, Saturday, 25 May 2013 12:05 (six years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Palace_F.C.#Famous_Fans

says a lot

r|t|c, Saturday, 25 May 2013 12:06 (six years ago) link

Wonder how many of them actually are fans. I've thought of another interesting fact about CP, Angus Deayton played for them, or for their youth team or sumthin'

Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 May 2013 12:26 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjI350aMeEA

r|t|c, Saturday, 25 May 2013 12:30 (six years ago) link

there don't seem to be any black ppl which seems strange given that croydon etc is probably 20% black at least

deems is mostly right about qpr, although neither watford nor crystal palace did anything like qpr the last couple of seasons

there is a gaping lacuna somewhere around clapton where the eastern vertex of the the CP--QPR--W quadrilateral of mediocrity should be located

"Our academy is absolutely essential to us," said Parish. "For one thing, it helps us establish real deep roots in the community in which we play."

Palace have a tradition of promoting local heroes. Gary Issott, the academy chief, said: "London is hugely populated so we can draw on a good pool of players. And the demographics of our area works in our favour."

Moses went to school in South Norwood after arriving in this country from Nigeria and Zaha settled in the area having moved from the Ivory Coast.

Issott added: "A lot of African lads end up here, you just wait for them to walk through Heathrow or Gatwick."

r|t|c, Saturday, 25 May 2013 16:00 (six years ago) link

scouting for fops

my name is louis and i'm an acoleuthic (darraghmac), Saturday, 25 May 2013 16:36 (six years ago) link

The 1990 FA Cup, come on. That run in full: Portsmouth, Huddersfield, Rochdale, Cambridge, Liverpool, Man Utd.

I feel like they might've had something cool going on 70s into 80s, but can't put my finger on it. I might be another getting mixed up with QPR.

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 25 May 2013 17:13 (six years ago) link

The Malcolm Allison years, there was prob'ly a buzz about them then, but I think even then they were being outshone by QPR w/ Stan Bowles + Rodney Marsh etc

Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 May 2013 17:17 (six years ago) link

Unless I've got my 70s football all arse over tit

Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 May 2013 17:18 (six years ago) link

Vince Hilaire is the name flashing in neon on the Sunset Strip George Street within my skull

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 25 May 2013 17:47 (six years ago) link

late 70s we'd already slipped back down a division and palace were on the up with venables, then we took venables and switched fortunes again

r|t|c, Saturday, 25 May 2013 17:59 (six years ago) link

Kit looks like Barcelona, team of the eighties, incredible 4-3 v Liverpool 90 semi, incredible 3-3 v United 90 final, finished third with Wright, Bright, Salako etc.....erm....Brolin.........keeper with baggy jogging bottoms.....eleventh hour rescue from bankruptcy

Hearing moyes confirmedare we hearing m (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Saturday, 25 May 2013 20:49 (six years ago) link

Selhurst Park looks a pretty good ground

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 25 May 2013 20:57 (six years ago) link

have a good friend who's a season ticket holder, says the catering is the worst out of any ground he's been to

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Saturday, 25 May 2013 21:05 (six years ago) link

selhurst park is not a pretty good ground. they are not getting this one.

OH NO, SECONDS LEFT, SECONDS LEFT, AND THERE IT IS. REGRET. (imago), Saturday, 25 May 2013 21:21 (six years ago) link

te defixio

OH NO, SECONDS LEFT, SECONDS LEFT, AND THERE IT IS. REGRET. (imago), Monday, 27 May 2013 14:03 (six years ago) link

An email from Des Hinton-Beales: "Surely for this game to be fair Palace should have had infinite loans in the two weeks since the semi?" he writes. "I'd even accept the caveat that we can only borrow ex players. Clyne and Moses would do nicely and who wouldn't want to see the dream duo up front of Kevin Phillips and Ian Wright? Only kidding Watford, you've played some lovely football this season and your manager is a stand up guy. May the 'most deserving'/'club' with the west countriest manager" team win."

gotta feel for livebloggah glendenning if thats the best email hes got

crissy p should of scored by now

idk if i can remember a team running a second half like this and bringing it into extra time

kevvy p all my days

signori one step pen into the top corner takes some ballz

r|t|c, Monday, 27 May 2013 16:23 (six years ago) link

someone nuke croydon plz

OH NO, SECONDS LEFT, SECONDS LEFT, AND THERE IT IS. REGRET. (imago), Monday, 27 May 2013 16:38 (six years ago) link

just as i was rereading

London Walks

they deserved to win that

still not entirely sure zaha is going to raise himself above the slightly ragged moderately successful english winger tier

they will get 10 points next season as a generous estimate

need to walk off this parochial angst tbh, maybe I'll go to Erith

OH NO, SECONDS LEFT, SECONDS LEFT, AND THERE IT IS. REGRET. (imago), Monday, 27 May 2013 18:21 (six years ago) link

I am Zappi's friend with the season (only the Selhurst 12 this season tho' Zappi) and can confirm that the catering is still as bad as ever. We have our own beer though, imaginatively 'Palace Ale', brewed by none other than Neil Morrisey. There is also the now annual 'Palace Beer Festival' that takes palace at Selhurst each summer.

Most Palace fans will be happy to accept relegation back again to the championship, as the money is earmarked to either do up Selhurst, or the (unlikely, but possible) dream of moving back to Cyrstal Palace Park and building a new stadium on the old NSC site. However there is already talk of Livermore on loan; behind the the dreadful accent Holloway seems to know what he is doing (after we looked appalling stumbling into the play offs); he's been there before, and history is littered by teams that go up by accident and stay there.

Flowersdie, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 13:01 (six years ago) link

hi flowersdie, welcome to ilf

r|t|c, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 13:06 (six years ago) link

Er, Thanks. I've been here for a while...

Flowersdie, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 13:11 (six years ago) link

idk about ollie these days tbh

once he lost kenny jackett at rangers he started undermining his good work wrt morale and transfers with some infuriating stubborn things tactically and from afar that pattern has seemed to continue ever since

he has also apparently developed the lethal concoction of simultaneously becoming very cranky and very preeningly self-aware of his ledgebantz status

obv it would be nice to have him back for a predictably disastrous spell someday

r|t|c, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 13:17 (six years ago) link

haha i was just thinking yesterday of sending this thread to you flowersdie

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 13:17 (six years ago) link

There's at least one other Palace fan knocking about on ILE as well, I believe, unless Flowersdie has had a swift name change.

there is a gaping lacuna somewhere around clapton where the eastern vertex of the the CP--QPR--W quadrilateral of mediocrity should be located

Do West Ham have too much history to qualify for this or something? Pretty sure there was a point in the early 90s when all four were playing in the Premiership and I'm pretty sure QPR were the best of the lot at the time.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 13:18 (six years ago) link

ah yeah, 'ambrose'

OH NO, SECONDS LEFT, SECONDS LEFT, AND THERE IT IS. REGRET. (imago), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 13:20 (six years ago) link

speroni, jedinak, williams, murray seem like a decent base to start from. possibly parr and garvan too

talk of resigning boyce, watson and even aj on the boards i see

r|t|c, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 13:25 (six years ago) link

O that this 2-2 solid flesh would melt

a multimillionaire’s flippant reference to a “ho” (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 29 November 2013 18:04 (six years ago) link

This is the second forum in pretty much as many days I've unexpectedly spotted Dulwich supporters. Excellent.

michaellambert, Friday, 29 November 2013 19:04 (six years ago) link

lol Dultras. i recognise someone in that crowd ^_^

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 29 November 2013 19:47 (six years ago) link

ssssssshhhhh.

Flowersdie, Friday, 29 November 2013 19:47 (six years ago) link

Didn't that bloke with the stick thing stand for mayor?

Flowersdie, Friday, 29 November 2013 20:05 (six years ago) link

He planned to. I'm not sure how serious it was, have only heard the story second hand.

michaellambert, Friday, 29 November 2013 20:14 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

RIP NOADES

A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 21:19 (five years ago) link

Noades provoked controversy with his comments on the racial make-up of his team: ""The black players at this club lend the side a lot of skill and flair, but you also need white players in there to balance things up and give the team some brains and some common sense."[2]

A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 21:22 (five years ago) link

Noades always vehemently denied the racism stuff, and reckoned he had been misquoted/cleverly edited (as he does again at the 55 minute mark of the interview here)
http://www.palaceradio.net/podcasts.html

although his argument doesn't extend much beyond 'some of my best friends are black'.

Flowersdie, Thursday, 2 January 2014 11:44 (five years ago) link

Some good stuff on Ian Wright in that interview. His first contract was £30 a week, to cover expenses only.

Flowersdie, Thursday, 2 January 2014 11:46 (five years ago) link

Do palace fans look fondly on the noades legacy? I was surprised to see the players wearing black armbands yesterday & just assumed that everyone hated him.

oppet, Thursday, 2 January 2014 19:48 (five years ago) link

Noades split the fan base, although hardly down the middle.

After 4 years of false starts since buying the club in 1981 (which included the disastrous appointments of Dario Gradi and Alan Mullery as managers), Noades split the club from the ground in the mid-80s, and Selhurst Park was from then on owned by his company, Altonwood, who mainly own golf courses around South London and the South East. As such, much of the Charlton and Wimbledon rent money from the ground shares went into Altonwood, rather than Palace. When Mark Goldberg tried to buy the club in 1998, the original deal also included buying the ground from Altonwood, but Goldberg ran out of money to go ahead with the purchase, and so bought only the club (for almost £23 million, doh), with rent money now being paid to Altonwood each season. It was Noades unrealistic valuation of the ground that put paid to a deal being made with the next chairman, Simon Jordan. Noades left Palace pretty much as he found them, bottom of the first division and on the brink of admin, except this time without owning their own ground. He had a good vision; that is Palace as part of a large sporting leisure empire of the South East, but never really realised it.

Against this, Palace came third in 1991, Wright and Bright (and Thomas, Cookie Coleman etc - the team that went up to the old first division had been bought for practically nothing), appointment of Coppell, a couple of cup finals (including a Zenith Data Systems cup final win!) and pre Goldberg a club that continually bobbled between the top two divisions, which earns him grudging respect amongst most Palace fans, although this is done by the majority of them with the knowledge of the above.

Flowersdie, Friday, 3 January 2014 10:30 (five years ago) link

V interesting, cheers flowersdie. Noades did similar stuff at Brentford, and the fans now are overwhelmingly anti. He tried to split the club from the ground (griffin Park being the only valuable asset) and proposed moving out to Woking. We were supposedly in a relatively good financial position when he bought the club, and he said he was going to be using his own money to provide funding. Obv that was bollocks and he was just borrowing against the value of the ground. The more conspiracy-minded say he was running up debts to reduce Altonwood's tax liability but I dunno bout that. Left us in a total state, massive debts etc. Of course nobody was complaining when he bought us the third division title. People were being naive when he took over. We probably wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for a new benevolent millionaire (who does actually seem brilliant).

oppet, Friday, 3 January 2014 14:24 (five years ago) link

Yes, I'd heard he was up to his old shennanigans at the Bees. Is a ground move still on the cards?

And on the bright side, we've both still survived.

Flowersdie, Friday, 3 January 2014 16:15 (five years ago) link

Planning permission for a new ground was approved last month and the aim is to move in time for the 2016/17 season. We've also got a brand new academy and a really impressive youth setup. Leaving GP is not great but I've been assured that it's the only way forward.

oppet, Friday, 3 January 2014 20:26 (five years ago) link

Where is the new ground going to be?

Pre-Madonna (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 3 January 2014 20:28 (five years ago) link

good posts

there must be some lingering desire to get a south london club established in the epl and try to make them emblematic in the same way west ham are of the east, at least that belgian buying charlton probably hopes so

xp New ground is on some wasteground next to kew bridge, so still in brentford. There's going to be a load of shitty flats and a hotel as well. Kew residents are in uproar lol.

oppet, Friday, 3 January 2014 20:48 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

http://i.holmesdale.net/image.php?p=news/2968.jpg&w=638

Flowersdie, Thursday, 17 April 2014 09:04 (five years ago) link

four months pass...

well now

r|t|c, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 11:23 (five years ago) link

ahahahaha

imago, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 11:38 (five years ago) link

...

imago, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 11:38 (five years ago) link

ahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa

imago, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 11:38 (five years ago) link

I wonder how far down the list they had to go before finding someone who'd answer their phone calls.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 11:41 (five years ago) link

gwan?

nakh is the wintour of our diss content (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 12:05 (five years ago) link

I’m not really fussed really. Whether this is some kind of post-Pulis syndrome, or the sheer relief that it didn’t end up being Sherwood, I don’t know. Lots of people don’t forgive him for jumping ship to QPR when we went into admin. I imagine all of that will be forgotten if we look like we stand any chance of staying up. Still don’t like the way he talks about himself in the third person though. It sort of makes sense, albeit in a very Palace way.

Flowersdie, Friday, 29 August 2014 15:45 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azdycWHhvsQ

Sky Sports News presenter Kaveh Solhekol was forced to abandon his post on transfer deadline day after a Crystal Palace supporters' group let off flares outside the club's training ground.

Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 11:33 (five years ago) link

croydon's burning again!!!

imago, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 11:40 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

Well, here we go again.

Flowersdie, Sunday, 28 December 2014 00:47 (four years ago) link

worried my fav team might get relegated

lag∞n, Sunday, 28 December 2014 15:03 (four years ago) link

This is a potentially glorious time to be a Dover Athletic fan.

Matt DC, Sunday, 28 December 2014 15:37 (four years ago) link

this season is a good example of why crystal palace have never been interesting in the pl, they never really invest enough or try and do anything too interesting

not that they should be spending £40m but warnock's appointment was so craven and hopeless that they might as well not have bothered

vitor perreira would be interesting

how has zaha been doing

Enterprise Lesotho (nakhchivan), Sunday, 28 December 2014 18:21 (four years ago) link

Warnock's appointment screamed of desperation in the first place, but then again they were going to offer the job to Mackay so it's not as if a bold progressive move was suddenly shattered.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 19:59 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAONKpzXgAAcXF-.jpg

r|t|c, Friday, 19 May 2017 22:27 (two years ago) link

this is my fav team because of their name

lag∞n, Friday, 19 May 2017 22:32 (two years ago) link

the fact that they're called the eagles and their longstanding rivals are called the seagulls making the game between the two "eagles vs seagulls" will never not be funny to me

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 19 May 2017 22:37 (two years ago) link

rtc knows what he's doing, i.e. enraging me

ban violent jinks (imago), Friday, 19 May 2017 22:41 (two years ago) link

you'll never have greenwich or bexley you fuckers!

ban violent jinks (imago), Friday, 19 May 2017 22:42 (two years ago) link

and that their grounds are 50 miles apart is bit fucked up on this lil' island.

calzino, Friday, 19 May 2017 22:44 (two years ago) link

I've assiduously never investigated quite how that rivalry came about, though i know it dates to the 70s.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 19 May 2017 22:48 (two years ago) link

Smurf @PalaceSmurf 7h Replying to @CPFC
You spelt West Wickham wrong

r|t|c, Friday, 19 May 2017 22:50 (two years ago) link

they're more on millwall's turf than ours here tbh but it still galls, we never claimed croydon, lambeth and bromley even in our heyday. i mean why would we want to i guess

ban violent jinks (imago), Friday, 19 May 2017 23:42 (two years ago) link

I've assiduously never investigated quite how that rivalry came about, though i know it dates to the 70s.

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 19 May 2017 23:48 (five days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

An explanation, of sorts...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4CvRDkdp7g

Flowersdie, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 12:25 (two years ago) link

Technically you can start on the edge of Crystal Palace Park and walk through all five of those boroughs in about ten minutes so I'd say that's fair game.

Less so from Selhurst Park obviously.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 12:34 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

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