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assuming spurs and schaktar don't do the crazy

4 matches
possibly the two greatest footballers in the history of the sport
as well as xavi, xabi alonso, villa, iniesta, higuain, marcelo, casillas, pedro, benzema, adebayor, ozil, di maria, alves etc.
the greatest manager of the past twenty years fighting for his job
pep just trolling
potential to make history

who will come out of the next couple weeks as the dogs reproductive glands?

Poll Results

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barca 14
real 8
we get four bore draws and boredom is the winner 1


popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 10 April 2011 11:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

one thing is for sure

r|t|c, Sunday, 10 April 2011 11:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Catalunya decideix.

cockroach shakespeare (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 10 April 2011 12:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

the great portuguese manager will know nothing more than a victory would suffice to sate the hungry madrid fans, however barcelona's pep guardiola has pedigree at this level and a will to win which may yet prove decisive.

Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Sunday, 10 April 2011 12:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

I just have this feeling that Real are just going to fucking destroy Barca. That feeling is wrong and stupid but I can't shake it.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 10 April 2011 12:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

the impressive thing about this fixture nowadays is that it's possibly the only one ever that actually kinda does live up to the most basic good/evil cynical/noble corporate/homegrown hypeman caricatures, on a cartoon level it's just irresistibly corny

r|t|c, Sunday, 10 April 2011 12:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^^this. that said, if utd become less pungent, manchester derby could be similar soon.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 10 April 2011 13:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

I just have this feeling that Real are just going to fucking destroy Barca

Not destroy, but yeah this. I can imagine Mourinho spending every day since the 0-5 plotting letting Barca pass their way to four 0-1 defeats. (what's the fourth game btw? Copa del Rey?)

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 April 2011 13:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'd assumed the real project would really unstoppably kick in 2nd season like it did with inter, it's just too much too soon now. (and jose walking away this summer is just brinksmanship, there's no way he would ruin the epic mythmaking narrative he's planned out: win champs league and title with real next year, come back to england and win league, manage portugal to world cup.)

if he did pull it off this year it would be his greatest masterpiece imo.

r|t|c, Sunday, 10 April 2011 13:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

Is he the patriotic sort? I kind of fancy him for the England job after Harry crashes & burns and the FA 180 again. In theory England's chances are better than Portugal's too.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 April 2011 13:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Wha wha wha? Portugal have Ronaldo and Nani and Pepe and low expectations he can exceed etc. - England have Wilshere and cuntish press.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

barcelona will fuckin kill them

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

England is a much bigger country I mean xp, you've got to fancy them* over Portugal* in any future world cup* where whatever characteristics are exhibited by the current lot/recent lots may not be present*. Half the time Portugal don't even have the playing resources to qualify, England are at least always capable* of putting out a competitive XI*.

* in theory

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah but that's p much obviously shite, portugal have had a good team for the past dozen years at least, and still have coentrao, moutinho, nani etc coming through

they have played england three times at ec/wc in that time and won once in normal time and twice on penalties

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Plus if I have learnt anything from FM11, they are having a centre midfielder called Antonio Cruz who is good enough to take Cesc's reins coming through. England don't.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

and they reached two semifinals....

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

i.e. something for Mourinho to fix, and something he'd be pretty confident he can fix. It's not going to come up for six years at least, who knows how it'll look by then.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Obviously I'm not saying England ARE better than Portugal, I'm saying they could be.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol you should write for the sun. england could also be better than brazil and the harlem globetrotters.

jose gonna get fired and pip 'arry to the 2012 post.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^^^

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

sam dropping insane payloads of t

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Half the time Portugal don't even have the playing resources to qualify, England are at least always capable* of putting out a competitive XI*.

number of times in last decade portugal have failed to qualify 0
number of times in last decade england have failed to qualify 1

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

the lusitanian men will have been disappointed to have lost that one on home turf

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

Come on, you know my point. At pretty much any time except 2000 England have potentially been stronger than Portugal. It's a basic consequence of being a larger country that still plays football to similar extent. England's natural level isn't, or shouldn't be at least, on a par with them or Sweden every single time. England should on occasion do far better and actually win something, like Argentina, France, Italy or now Spain have all managed. There's the challenge. It'd take a miracle to do that with Portugal, it ought to be possible for England.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

Basically, the scope for improving England is far greater.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

in theory

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

nah because you're basing that argument purely on population size, and ignoring the respective infrastructures - like China by these lights ought to be the number 1 football nation in the world but y'know you have to have a system capable of producing world class footballers and by those lights Portugal appears to be a good way in front of England.

cockroach shakespeare (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 10 April 2011 15:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

Jose is never gonna be that guy Ismael. He'll stay at a job for 3 years and work the best with what is there and not give a toss about how the u13s may come through to change things in 15 years time.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 10 April 2011 15:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

At pretty much any time except 2000 England have potentially been stronger than Portugal. It's a basic consequence of being a larger country that still plays football to similar extent

this is just addled, have you slid into some future perfect parallel dimension nultworld where they never had ronaldo, figo, deco, rui costa (all better than any english player of that time), never had a tradition of producing technical players in every position and england weren't a load of fucking cack?

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Sunday, 10 April 2011 15:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

That's true but it's not like England has a dreadful system - there's pretty much always half-a-dozen really top players, which is only sometimes true of Sweden or Portugal. In any single tourney England's chances should be better than those countries, luck permitting and golden generations apart. I'm saying the prospect of being the factor that turns that into victory might be an attractive one for Mou, more so than with Portugal.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 April 2011 15:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp to nv, aplogies for slow typing

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 April 2011 15:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

Portugal not really producing great strikers iirc

black bloc bologna (blueski), Sunday, 10 April 2011 15:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

"top players" in England maybe, the number of English "top players" to really prove themselves at international level in the last however many years is laughably small compared even to Portugal tho? Also compare numbers of English players who enjoy successful careers outside of England with any other top 20 nation.

cockroach shakespeare (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 10 April 2011 15:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

I mean, I agree that with our resources and football's total dominance as national game we ought to be a couple of orders of magnitude better than we are, but we never have been and it will still take something a lot deeper than a new national team manager to really change that I think.

cockroach shakespeare (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 10 April 2011 15:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

also, we shd be doing this on the England thread really.

also, Fuck Madrid

cockroach shakespeare (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 10 April 2011 15:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

That's my basic position really (to nv). I'm not taking it forward much more than by saying that with good organisation, luck and a tailwind England could still win a world cup, which probably isn't true of Portugal. So I could see Jose taking a punt on England.

France and Spain have turned themselves into countries that don't need those things, but yeah that isn't happening here any time soon.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 April 2011 15:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

yr talking terrible self-deceiving syllogistic drivel and yr not even english iirc?

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Sunday, 10 April 2011 15:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Not sure being English is a prerequisite for syllogistic, whatever that is?

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 April 2011 15:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

idk man, i just find the blithe dismissal of verifiable fact in favour of 'what will have been' rather deranged

holland's 40 yr ability to compete with and often defeat far larger nations further undermines yr population argument

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Sunday, 10 April 2011 15:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Well not sure that's what I was doing, but whatever you like.

Fwiw I'm pretty sure Capello was taking exactly that punt. Jose's greater experience here might warn him off I guess, or make him more confident of the cure.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 April 2011 15:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

there are explicable structural reasons for england's failure, both in general terms and specifically wrt the 'golden generation' (a lilgloss on that subject)

i think capello, anticipating retirement, could care less about failure and the inevitable damage to his reputation when he gets paid more than at madrid or juventus for a part time job

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Sunday, 10 April 2011 17:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

Not destroy, but yeah this. I can imagine Mourinho spending every day since the 0-5 plotting letting Barca pass their way to four 0-1 defeats. (what's the fourth game btw? Copa del Rey?)

― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 10 April 2011 14:24 (3 hours ago)

didn't u just predict shakhtar to knock them out of the cl?

fwiw i think the 5-0 is a bit misleading wrt the difference between the teams because mourinho chose an uncharacteristically attacking midfield

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Sunday, 10 April 2011 17:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

some crazy talk itt.

the way i see it: mourinho is going to not give a shit about the copa del rey final and the league game. the league is lost, the cup on its own will not keep him in a job. if he wins the champs league he wins mandril their 10th, iirc, wins it himself back to back, and has a chance to beat barca and win it and la liga next season, after which he can go to another great club - manure maybes - and continue his amazingly succesful run. he's years away from heading out to the pasture of international management if he can win the champs league this season.

otoh guardiola's motivations and expectations are a bit harder to fathom. of course my reading of mourinho and his possible trajectory is pure pish conjecture but whatevs, pep defo more enigmatic. seems a bit languid and fatalistic - had "a bad feeling" about the tie against shakhtar when shakhtar had injuries and farca were playing at home. also has made comments to the effect that he can see himself leaving. vague comments which are positing a departure in seasons to come but still not really the kind of thing you expect when his side is being labelled the best ever, he's on track to win the league, again, and in the running for the champs league. i feel he might be cautious in these games. draw in the league would be enough to end any semblance of a challenge from madrid, he won't want to concede away goals in europe and will be wary of the counter-attacking threat.

so, i predict lacklustre encounters in both league and cup. cagey as fuck encounters in europe, with mourinho going for a victory by a goal or on away goals. barcelona are the better team, but won't win all the games, the gulf is not as wide as 5-0 suggested. i would say, however, that if puyol is back and in form for the champs league ties i'd expect barca to get to the final and for mourinho to get his jotters. this is of course wishful thinking, madrid being a horrible club, and mourinho's style of football being one i've never enjoyed.

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 01:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

Mourinho has said that he wants to manage Portugal, wants to come back to England and doesn't expect to do anything with Madrid until next season at least (which is pretty reigned him for him). If he is a success at Real (which he will be, if they give him time), I wonder if he has plans as well to manage Bayern Munich and try to win the league in five different countries which would surely be unprecedented.

In more immediate matters, I hope Real spank Barca all over the shop in the CL, but can't see it happening.

isn't house rubbish and Pete W mental (Pete W), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 08:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's time to choose - this thread or the La Liga one?

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 16 April 2011 19:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

I SAY HERE.

Are Real playing five defenders?

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 16 April 2011 20:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah pepe in midfield i think? and no özil :(

sonderangerbot, Saturday, 16 April 2011 20:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

is there one of those nice HD streams on the go? My craving for more pixels is swelling.

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 16 April 2011 20:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

streamhub.tv, if you don't mind US commentary

Ismael Klata, Saturday, 16 April 2011 20:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

Who the hell is this Geordie twat on my stream?

Number None, Saturday, 16 April 2011 20:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

PERFECT header.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 21:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

Who's crying now? or something

Number None, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 21:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

I can take it on the chin. Beautiful header, awful person etc.

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 21:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Mou <3

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 21:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

Afellay <3 <3 <3

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 21:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

srsly....really enjoying this, despite the scoreline

Some other race (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 21:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^ my sentiment exactly

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 21:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

had 1-0 RM and high score draw for the NLD in the office betting ring so good night fir me as it stands

thetan is cheatin (cozen), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 21:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Those high passes from the side are such a waste on Barca in the penalty box. Who do they think will head it in?

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 21:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

keita, now

Some other race (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 21:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love that Mourinho looks exactly like me atm: both on the 'bench', tired, strung out, not caring and enjoying it all the same

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 21:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

I would totally watch a league with just Barca and Madrid, playing each other 36 times a season.

(which brings us back to chess again - just the best two, playing each other again and again and again)

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 21:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm so happy there are two more games with these two.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 21:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

Meh...

;-)

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 22:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

dont follow spanish football v.closely. is pep actually legit or just fortunate to have inherited one of the great organic club sides just as they come into full bloom?

thetan is cheatin (cozen), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 22:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

Incredible build up for the two CL matches, this

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 22:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

Real Madrid got away with a hell of a lot of timewasting there

in a wonderful balloon! (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 22:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

guardiola is excellent, tho not a mourinho (for good and ill)

Some other race (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 22:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

@Cozen, who will tell? With clubs like Barca it's hard to tell. Rijkaard did really well with Barca too, but not with any of the other teams before or after Barca. I do think Pep has a great hand in how Barca plays, tweaking tiki taka to perfection. Plus being highly, highly regarded by the players. But if he's the only one that can get these results and this football with Barca? I don't underestimate him, not at all actually, but I doubt it all the same.

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 22:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Lol maureen on a bad night for tippy happy.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 22:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

I don't know what that means

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 22:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

feel very certain pepe is a gourmet rijkaard who would be just as unable to recreate any of what he's achieved as barca custodian elsewhere. that's not to denigrate what he's done, only to say that it's a different kind of role to what a "normal" manager does

r|t|c, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 22:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

pepe? pep.

r|t|c, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 22:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

dont follow spanish football v.closely. is pep actually legit or just fortunate to have inherited one of the great organic club sides just as they come into full bloom?

― thetan is cheatin (cozen), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 23:01 (14 minutes ago)

I don't think we'll figure this out until Xavi retires.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 22:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

shakira shakira in the directors box.

territory of the magic wand (Chris), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 22:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

Pep himself says he just does the press conferences. We'll see when he goes elsewhere.

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 22:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sergio Ramos, you klutz!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSvmAtOnrkA&feature=player_embedded

Jibe, Thursday, 21 April 2011 08:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

saw that earlier...brilliant.

Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Thursday, 21 April 2011 11:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

ahahahahahahaha

also why are they having a parade for the copa del rey

Frightening, but full of facts that are difficult to argue with. (dan m), Thursday, 21 April 2011 11:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

Haven't won a trophy in a while iirc

Number None, Thursday, 21 April 2011 11:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Last trophy is La Liga in 2008, so it's not like it's been that long. But yeah it feels kind of weird. I mean it's Madrid! If it were Hercules or Gijon or whoever I'd understand the parade.

Jibe, Thursday, 21 April 2011 12:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've always felt like we're missing out by not being able to have parades when we win stuff. Stupid Glasgow.

ailsa, Thursday, 21 April 2011 12:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was in Barcelona the night of the 2009 Champions League final. They called the riot police in cos the fans were going so mental. And that was for a victory.

Number None, Thursday, 21 April 2011 12:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Does that not happen in Amsterdam, Milan, London, München, everywhere where a big club wins a title? Having the riot police at hand? Football fans in being stupid etc

Future Debts Collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 21 April 2011 12:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Actually got charged by them though. As i was drunkenly minding my own business.

Number None, Thursday, 21 April 2011 12:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

so

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 17:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

I have both my laptops primed & ready to go

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 17:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

there is a football contest on tonight

i've got blingees on my fisters (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

Eamon Dunphy just called Ronaldo's goal in the Copa Del Rey the best header he's ever seen.

Number None, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 18:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

It was good, yeah. I might post here for a bit.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 19:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

His header for Utd against Roma was better

Number None, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 19:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

I love how Real are pressing here. It's like they're putting 80% into it most of the time, letting Barca paint themselves into a corner, then snapping into the tackle when it counts.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 19:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

Get it to Villa more. What's he going to do except cut inside though?

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 27 April 2011 19:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

Last one for a few months then. Sky reporting that Jose won't be in attendance.

territory of the magic wand (Chris), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 17:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm glad we've got six more days to decide who's going to come off best here

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 18:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

I think it's great that this thread hasn't been filled with all the lame shenanigans between Wednesday and now. Let's play ball!

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 18:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Sunday, 8 May 2011 23:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

seven years pass...

couldn't find la liga thread but yikes the end of this clasico has been nuts

that said, i am reminded of just how irritating ray hudson is

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